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The Imperial Army is very uniconic for the HH. It's mostly Marines vs. Marines in a Drama about Brother fights Brother.

I don't know any Engagement or Battle of the HH which includes one Force only formed from the Imperial Army.

Oh good, yet another game set in the sodbuggering Horus Heresy - they've beaten that horse so much that it's nothing but glue. A glaring example of 'be careful what you wish for' if this turns out to be true; you get Epic back, but lose all but one (two at a stretch) faction.

 MalusCalibur wrote:
Oh good, yet another game set in the sodbuggering Horus Heresy - they've beaten that horse so much that it's nothing but glue. A glaring example of 'be careful what you wish for' if this turns out to be true; you get Epic back, but lose all but one (two at a stretch) faction.

HH started in epic, the 1st edition kicked that off when GW wanted a game but only wanted a single plastic sprue

it grew later, it could grow again, it will almost certainly get unauthorised expansions if GW don't provide them

what will likely kill it this time round is either apathy or GW seeing it cannibalise 40k sales in 28mm if this is seen as a cheaper/better game

Imperial Army sounds strange at first but in the teaser trailer there where two units with a different symbol on the Imperial Fists side which could be an Imperial Eagle so that supports this at least

Leopard - I have a feeling a strong Epic boxset could surprise GW with sales volumes. There was a good reason it was one of the 'main games' for many years, as it scratches a lot of itches; massive campaigns, mixed arms combat and huge scale. People with existing AT or AI collections will be encouraged to jump in too. And actually very simple/fast to paint (assuming they don't go silly with scale and detail on the infantry). People these days are using contrast paints and you can easily get through an infantry company in an evening, and in many ways it replicates the scale of battle much better than the 28mm game in Age of Darkness.

I did always think Apocalypse was a massively cynical re-release to attempt the scale of Epic, but completely unachievable for most gamers, and with a worse rules set.

 MalusCalibur wrote:
Oh good, yet another game set in the sodbuggering Horus Heresy - they've beaten that horse so much that it's nothing but glue.

Regardless of anything else, this is the best comment this thread has seen for at least a dozen pages

And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

 Pacific wrote:
Leopard - I have a feeling a strong Epic boxset could surprise GW with sales volumes. There was a good reason it was one of the 'main games' for many years, as it scratches a lot of itches; massive campaigns, mixed arms combat and huge scale. People with existing AT or AI collections will be encouraged to jump in too.

Will they be, though? Probably the only AI players who can use a couple models toward this new game will be SM players. And with AT players, it's unlikely that they'll be able to field full maniples. It'll be maybe a Titan or two, and then they'll be on the hook for all the infantry, tanks and planes. I also think some folks may be underestimating the price point, but we'll have to wait and see on that.

 Kiiroitori wrote:
And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

Then we're gonna need some *really* big tables... 😅😅

 Pacific wrote:
Leopard - I have a feeling a strong Epic boxset could surprise GW with sales volumes. There was a good reason it was one of the 'main games' for many years, as it scratches a lot of itches; massive campaigns, mixed arms combat and huge scale. People with existing AT or AI collections will be encouraged to jump in too. And actually very simple/fast to paint (assuming they don't go silly with scale and detail on the infantry). People these days are using contrast paints and you can easily get through an infantry company in an evening, and in many ways it replicates the scale of battle much better than the 28mm game in Age of Darkness.

I did always think Apocalypse was a massively cynical re-release to attempt the scale of Epic, but completely unachievable for most gamers, and with a worse rules set.

 MalusCalibur wrote:
Oh good, yet another game set in the sodbuggering Horus Heresy - they've beaten that horse so much that it's nothing but glue.

Regardless of anything else, this is the best comment this thread has seen for at least a dozen pages

Space Marine was easily my main game for several years, my Imperial Guard was an army I was very fond of, won a local painting competition at a GW store with them, not so much because they were well painted, but because they were all painted to a decent standard when many had very quick paint jobs. I much preferred the earlier models when there was some attempt at a scale - e.g. compare the Capitol Imperialis, & Hellbore, neither of which I managed to own to some of the stuff that came later

even then painting marines to a decent standard wasn't hard, with scope to go made on them but they could look good pretty easily, and you had the impression of commanding (ok only a basic command and control mechanic with the orders) an actual army, transport vehicles mattered, the ability to re-deploy mattered, it was possible to get out of range of stuff, control board areas etc.

it worked, I think it worked well - even the long/short range stuff was good - splitting into 'soft' and 'hard' targets with weapons profiles varying by the target type was a stroke of genius

I just think its going to be limited in case it hurts more valuable 28mm sales


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 Kiiroitori wrote:
And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

Gentlemen, TO THE CARPARK

Becouse it says war in new scale...maybe they are gonna sell us life size armors and costumes and vehicles /.____./ now i can be a tyranid reaper :B

 Kiiroitori wrote:
And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

Or it'll be in cm rather than inches. Certainly precedent with old epic and BFG!

Or it'll be in cm rather than inches. Certainly precedent with old epic and BFG!

 Kiiroitori wrote:
And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

...Its LARP rules lol

 Kiiroitori wrote:
And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

GW supporting tournaments using McFarlane figures? That'd be hilarious.

 Breotan wrote:

 Kiiroitori wrote:
And what if....war in a new scale means....all huge? Like figures dread size and dreads knight size haha

GW supporting tournaments using McFarlane figures? That'd be hilarious.

Oh yes, those figures are cool and a bit expensive. Wish the had made classic marine not just primaris :"(

For the emperor

The Legends of the Paintymen podcast was joking about that on their most recent podcast, the end point is shop manikins being dressed up in armour and fighting, was really funny.

It would definitely be a shock if anything other than CM was used! Every edition of Epic has used Metric.

Could always pull a Kill Team and measure distances in shapes.

Mozzamanx wrote:
Could always pull a Kill Team and measure distances in shapes.

Colors. Long Range Red, Medium Blue, Short Black.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:
Could always pull a Kill Team and measure distances in shapes.

Colors. Long Range Red, Medium Blue, Short Black.

GW couldn't do that; those sound like Army Painter colors

I hope we get more Information after the launch of 40k 10th...

^ I think there was a rumour somewhere of a games day or event possibly late June or July that normally includes info about specialist games. If true that's not too far away.

The rumours on epic coming did say end of year. I guess anytime from October to December could be possible.

I could definitely see them pushing The Old World in August just before AOS Sigmar and the first 40k codexes, then release Epic after them in late October/November.

Rumors expecting EPIC for:

"End of Summer"
"October
"November
"End of the Year"

Those could all be true, I'd expect a reveal that it is epic around 3 months after the first teaser - end of July, start of August.

Then another three months until the release (pre-order October, release November), with a few more detailed previews in the run up.

Yeah, and then it will be :

"Beginning of 2024"
"Middle of 2024"
"End of 2024"

Add +1 to the year when it's obvious it won't come out at the time you said in the "rumors".

Better stop clicking on clickbait videos and wait for the only source of truth : Warhammer Community.

Sarouan wrote:
Yeah, and then it will be :

"Beginning of 2024"
"Middle of 2024"
"End of 2024"

Add +1 to the year when it's obvious it won't come out at the time you said in the "rumors".

Better stop clicking on clickbait videos and wait for the only source of truth : Warhammer Community.

The rumor monger who predicted the teaser trailer did so not because he had been told the teaser was coming, but because he'd been told a release schedule, and knew that a teaser would need to show up to match that schedule. And we got the teaser.

Maybe, just maybe, in this instance the clickbsit video guy knew what he was talking about.

Eumerin wrote:

Sarouan wrote:
Yeah, and then it will be :

"Beginning of 2024"
"Middle of 2024"
"End of 2024"

Add +1 to the year when it's obvious it won't come out at the time you said in the "rumors".

Better stop clicking on clickbait videos and wait for the only source of truth : Warhammer Community.

The rumor monger who predicted the teaser trailer did so not because he had been told the teaser was coming, but because he'd been told a release schedule, and knew that a teaser would need to show up to match that schedule. And we got the teaser.

Maybe, just maybe, in this instance the clickbsit video guy knew what he was talking about.

What, you mean like for almost every single claim that person attributed to their trusted sources, dozen of times, for months now? Quit talking nonsense, that's absolutely impossible

Just being HH is a big no for me, I loved epic and titanicus but am sick to death of HH stuff, they have ruined that fluff and killed any interest I had in it. Epic needs gargants. End of.

I agree, but the only mitigating factor for that is if they use an existing ruleset like Epic Space Marine or Armageddon as the template for the new rules.

Then we can just sub in the rules from NetEpic, Net Armageddon etc.