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Hey all I'm getting pretty into Orks now - got a pretty good collection so far. But as I was reading through the new codex last night, I realised that I have no idea how to play them.

So, I think I like the idea of the green tide - a large foot slogging army. But for this to work, what sort of tactics would I need to cover? Would I just rush up the board, hoping to have enough Boyz left alive by the end? Or should I utilise cover, but slow myself down in doing so? Also with this kind of list, are Shoota Boyz or flash gitz worth it? Or should I go all sluggas and Nobz? In my current list, I have Nobz and 90 Boyz with 10 shootas in each mob of 30.

One last thing - is a squad of 12 lootas, in a 1850pts list good enough for anti-tank/ air? Or should I try to squeeze more anti-tank in?

Cheers guys

Need more anti-tank. Maybe some mega-blasts Mekaniak Meks throughout. And use KFF Meks to shield your Boyz

Hi if youl go foot sloging idd say go 30 slugga boyz with painboy squads , also id split lootas in 2 units of 6 if you have spot in HS. Lootas will provide good anty flyer and light transport unit but they will struggle alot against 12+ armour, for that you culd try tank bustas in trukk preaty cheap nou . Also if you run big blobs i think youl need to distract your oponent with something you can try MANZ missle or komandos .

I was thinking about using a Mek with a Kustom Force Field, but I went with a pain boy instead. Would it be best if i had both? And by MANZ do you mean Mega Nobz? Cos I have 5 of those in a Battlewagon with Kannon and 2 heavy shootas.

A squad of Tankbustas sounds good. I'll see if I can squeeze them in with a Trukk

Tankbustas don't do well in a Trukk. Trukk's don't ever last long (it's a rule) and Tankbustas need a couple of turns to be really effective.

Trukks are reserved for suicide/distraction/spamming. Slugga boyz and burnas work reasonably well because all they need is one turn to do the job you bought them for.

KFF + Painboy works really well, either combined in a unit or on different ones.

Footsloggin' hordes don't appear to do very well and aren't fun to use in the movement phase. I keep hearing that speed and toughness are key.

Avoid trukks unless theyre just random boyz or a minimal MANz missile. Trukks die way too easy to pump a ton of points into its contents. Paint a giant bullseye on a squishy target, it WILL die i guarantee it. I would much rather waste my Hammerhead shot against a trukk full of Tankbustas than use it to clobber a battlewagon of boyz. Yes the 20 boyz can be lethal, but 12 tankbustas is WAY more lethal and just as easy to remove (if not easier).
If theyre in a battlewagon, now i need 5s to pen in most situations. Unless i have longstrike, thats pretty crappy odds and only so-so odds with him. And theyre immune to the rest of my army until youre already dumping boyz off anyway.

 xlDuke wrote:
Tankbustas don't do well in a Trukk. Trukk's don't ever last long (it's a rule) and Tankbustas need a couple of turns to be really effective.

Trukks are reserved for suicide/distraction/spamming. Slugga boyz and burnas work reasonably well because all they need is one turn to do the job you bought them for.

KFF + Painboy works really well, either combined in a unit or on different ones.

Footsloggin' hordes don't appear to do very well and aren't fun to use in the movement phase. I keep hearing that speed and toughness are key.

So mechanised instead? The only problem I saw with mechanised was that all the Mobz have to be really small to fit inside their Trukks. So if my opponent gets first turn and take out some Trukks, the Mobz are easy pickings. But I guess just lobbing lots of units on foot at my enemy is also suicide. Maybe I'll try both and see which works best for me. Thanks for the advice


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 Vineheart01 wrote:
Avoid trukks unless theyre just random boyz or a minimal MANz missile. Trukks die way too easy to pump a ton of points into its contents. Paint a giant bullseye on a squishy target, it WILL die i guarantee it. I would much rather waste my Hammerhead shot against a trukk full of Tankbustas than use it to clobber a battlewagon of boyz. Yes the 20 boyz can be lethal, but 12 tankbustas is WAY more lethal and just as easy to remove (if not easier).
If theyre in a battlewagon, now i need 5s to pen in most situations. Unless i have longstrike, thats pretty crappy odds and only so-so odds with him. And theyre immune to the rest of my army until youre already dumping boyz off anyway.

That's an awesome point. I'll see if I can squeeze them into a wagon.

In smaller games footslogging hordes can be ok. You'll want a couple things;

-1 Warboss, for a Waaagh! This greatly increases your chance of assault on turn two.
-A Painboy in every mob of boyz. Yes this means try to convince all your friends to let you play with two detachments.
-1 Weirdboy, not required but it's nice if you have an Aura to give the turn assaults happen.
-A Mek in any group of boyz or artillery. This Mek is a 15pt character that issues a challenge so that your warboss gets to krump, your nobz get to krump, you're all important painboy doesn't have to get krump'd, and your Weirdboy gets to use his ID psychic weapon .. I mean krump. If you have this covered and have points for another put one with your artillery.
-Artillery, entirely too cheap and disposable to not make this your #1 support choice. A two battery squad of Lobbas for those annoying cover save types and a full squad of KMK for those annoying things you don't want to assault that needs shot in the invul save.
-Grot Screen, look you want to get your second FOC and we don't have a KFF now, might as well screen your boyz with a full squad of grots.

In larger games;

-Battlewagons and multi FOC, much the same HQ setup as above except you might want to upgrade your boyz to 'Ard and might not need the warboss since you could just as likely hop out of a transport for an assault on turn two. You'll still want some artillery, a unit of spread out TB in cover is a nice attempt at first blood for 2 VP, Stormboyz can be screened behind your wagonz, 3 MANz in a trukk works good, Kommandos on any board edge can complicate enemy tactics.

-Bikes.. Bikes are nice, bikes are really nice. They just aren't troops but hey.. you were gonna bring some boyz in a transport of some kind right?.. You know what forget it just buy some grots and put them in reserves. You'll want to look at the Painboy on bike, and also the KFF on bike. Write down all the heavy support choices you have in your list and then erase any of them that aren't Lobba or KMK unless it's a BW for some boyz.

If you stick to cover too much with your footslogging horde, you risk not getting there for the whole game. Even without cover, it might take 3 or 4 turns to start doing something.

In my opinion tank bustas are suicide squad ,take 5 or 6 in a trukk take 2 squads instead of 12 bustas .2 fast targets hunting your enemy tanks geting extra victory points if firstblood some rhino ! Your opponent may forgot for a turn about those boyz far back there! And that's all you need . Anyways 12 bustas in bw is to much points to spend in my opinion, also when you get there enemy tanks will pop like popcorn since pk is still da best tank destroyer weapon we have

 darkflame182 wrote:
In my opinion tank bustas are suicide squad ,take 5 or 6 in a trukk take 2 squads instead of 12 bustas .2 fast targets hunting your enemy tanks geting extra victory points if firstblood some rhino ! Your opponent may forgot for a turn about those boyz far back there! And that's all you need . Anyways 12 bustas in bw is to much points to spend in my opinion, also when you get there enemy tanks will pop like popcorn since pk is still da best tank destroyer weapon we have

We got killsaws now

And meltabombs for Tankbustas. Blew up a Riptide in one assault phase with those (a unit of 12 Waaaghing off a Battlewagon and the poor 'tide had some bad luck with his invulnerable saves).

Thanks for all the advice guys, I'm rebuilding the list at the moment, based on it. I'm thinking of using some killa Kanz, a deff dread, and possibly changing out a mob of 30 for a gorkanaut, then splitting the other 60 Boyz up into smaller Mobz in trukks. Or just slog along and have fire taken off them with the dreads.