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Sooooo...let's say I get Settra and I don't want him to have his four horse chariot, but rather I'd like his chariot drawn by two horses, would it be considered modeling for advantage if I did so? His profile doesn't explicitly state that his chariot is drawn by four horses.

The pros:
Can rank up properly with other chariots

The cons:
Settra loses the two other horse attacks...

Thoughts?

I modelled mine up to be pulled by an Ushabti. Just say that you did it for ease of gameplay.

Whether you model the chariot with two or four horses doesn't change the profile, so wouldn't affect the number of attacks the model gets.

You are supposed to, however, put the model on the base that it comes with. If you are proposing to put the model on a base smaller than that with which it was supplied, some might argue that you're in the wrong.

For example, you can't put a Bloodthirster on a 20mm base (standing on one foot, looking all cool) because that would make him harder to hit with things like cannons and stone throwers.

Saldiven wrote:
You are supposed to, however, put the model on the base that it comes with. If you are proposing to put the model on a base smaller than that with which it was supplied, some might argue that you're in the wrong.

The chariot itself comes on a chariot base. Two horses come on a cavalry base each.

He is using the right base for it. Technically.

If he isn't using the entire base supplied (a chariot and two cavalry), then he isn't actually using the base supplied with the model.

In a friendly game I probably wouldn't care. At a tournament, I wouldn't be so happy about it as it would allow another chariot to make it into B2B contact.

Davall wrote:
If he isn't using the entire base supplied (a chariot and two cavalry), then he isn't actually using the base supplied with the model.

In a friendly game I probably wouldn't care. At a tournament, I wouldn't be so happy about it as it would allow another chariot to make it into B2B contact.

Also, it would reduce the number of incoming attacks that could be directed at the model by enemy units.

How well do the rules actually cope with a single model having a non-rectangular base though? e.g. a unit in the flank hitting the flank horse but having a range of models not in base to base.

Think the model is nice, and would do nicely on a rectangular base four horses wide. Space to add a few scenic bits behind the horses

leopard wrote:
How well do the rules actually cope with a single model having a non-rectangular base though? e.g. a unit in the flank hitting the flank horse but having a range of models not in base to base.

Think the model is nice, and would do nicely on a rectangular base four horses wide. Space to add a few scenic bits behind the horses

Models fight over gaps just fine; it's in the rules. I don't think using a singular 100x75 base (chariots are 50x75, correct?) would cause any rules conflicts short of how he fits within the unit, so you just make sure he is on the outside of said unit. I am sure someone could think of something, but nothing immediately jumps to mind except for making Settra marginally more vulnerable to area of effect things (cannons, stone throwers, vortexes etc).

I'd keep a couple spare horses around and just not glue them: if someone wants you to play with the full base size, you can, but don't need to attach them.

His profile doesn't say it's 4 horses but his description says it's 4 horses. I.e., it only lists the profile for one skeletal steed, but he gets 4 attacks because he has 4 horses.

The other chariots say how many horses each chariot is drawn by (2). But Settra has equipment: chariot of the gods. Chariot of the gods: "Settra rides a scythed chariot drawn by four skeletal steeds."

That's not even the italic fluffery. So it's a real rule. Like where it says they are magic flaming attacks impact hits.

I can't see you reducing the number of horses because it's a rule that tells you how many he has. If you had just 2 horses, he would only have 2 skeletal steed attacks, and that is not what his rules state. You can't just cut the width of the chariot in half and say it only has 2.5 toughness.

I think as long as the base has the proper width you can model however you like. But if you remove the 2 horses from each side then that would be incorrect.
Your chariots will probably only have a front rank so there should not be any issues with ranking up properly.
If you feel there is a concern just square the base out behind the 2 additional steeds and you would have neither the problem ranking nor the problem with the frontage.

Another option on this here, no where does it say his chariot has 4 horses all side by side. Could you not theoretically put the two extra cav bases in front? You would still be using all the bases provided, you're base is something like 125mm long and 50mm across, but it is theoretically "correct" if I'm not mistaken.

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And I think the last one looks pretty cool.