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So I got a good deal on a tesseract vault and only have cash for an HQ and two troops. The plan is to give it two str D hellstorm templets and the 18" str D movement then toss in an HQ and two troop choices.

Is that a jerk move?

Not at all. Have fun forging the narrative.

I think what Blaxican is saying is have fun trying to find a game. Nobody is going to want to play against that unless its a literal mirror image of that list. I'm all for Superheavys and D weapons but in a 1k list? You're just asking to be shunned from a gaming group.

It all depends on the group you play with. If they are playing "full 7th with LoW allowed" then go for it.

I'd try to take you. I might have to tailor a list a bit, and you're not allowed to get mad about it.

God, I would feel bad doing that....

I felt bad for bringing a land raider and Be'lakor into a 1K list and in retrospect it was a dick move because he had about 2-3 guns that could hurt my land raider but invisibility quickly resolved that matter.

Bringing a Transcendant C'tan shard into a 1K game is a dick move, especially because it's one of the better LoW.

DaPino wrote:
I felt bad for bringing a land raider and Be'lakor into a 1K list and in retrospect it was a dick move because he had about 2-3 guns that could hurt my land raider but invisibility quickly resolved that matter.

Bringing a Transcendant C'tan shard into a 1K game is a dick move, especially because it's one of the better LoW.

It's not a dick move. You ask two questions. Are LoW allowed? Is this competitive? If yes to both then you bring your best option. Bring your A-game and your A-list.

Yeah, that load out can swiftly take apart anything that can hurt it

And as others have said, it's one of the top LoW.

I'd take the challenge, but I'd have to alter my list a bit (ie so many flyers)

I would just take Skyblight against it. Anybody else? I don't know. Running this list would be a dick move.

You got to inform your opponent that u're gona bring this thing. It's one of the most hated LoW's for a reason.

What's the point?

 Thud wrote:
What's the point?

To enjoy playing the game?

I wasnt sure if the list was OP or not. Since it is I doubt my opponent would enjoy facing it, as such I will proxy or ask to borrow models so I can play at higher points.

It also costs 420 Pts before you buy its mandatory choices, bare minimum 645 IIRC ... he wants to spend over half his points on that, just push him off the board with lascannons

I'd probably try playing against that list, but I will say it sounds a bit disgusting.

Why not use the model as a regular c'tan shard?

As long as both players are on the same page I don't see how it's a dick move. Now if you lead your opponent to believe that you were playing a fluffy/semi-comp/narrative game then turned up with this, that'd be a dick move. But you don't seem to be that guy, considering you've asked on here.

oh please. investing the same amount of poins in grav centurion devastators will annihilate that thing in 1 turn of shooting. T9 is entirely irrelevant.

 Sir Arun wrote:
oh please. investing the same amount of poins in grav centurion devastators will annihilate that thing in 1 turn of shooting. T9 is entirely irrelevant.

With a space wolf ally to drop pod them on turn 1 within firing range, a minimal cent squad will put 15 shots on that thing that ignores armor and wound it on a 2+.

Most marine players have a cent unit so you will get face smashed by someone who noticed you after you stomp a newb or 2 with your cheese list.
After that its buy new models

 Ryan_A wrote:
So I got a good deal on a tesseract vault and only have cash for an HQ and two troops. The plan is to give it two str D hellstorm templets and the 18" str D movement then toss in an HQ and two troop choices.

Is that a jerk move?

It's the jerk move of jerk moves. One step before Serpent Spam.

Ryan_A wrote:To enjoy playing the game?

I wasnt sure if the list was OP or not. Since it is I doubt my opponent would enjoy facing it, as such I will proxy or ask to borrow models so I can play at higher points.

A Transcendent C'tan at 1000 points is not going to be enjoyable. Not for your opponent. Not for you. You might as well hire a mob enforcer to come with you and force people to concede right after the roll to seize the initiative. Exactly the same, and you save half an hour of pointless dice rolling. But congrats, you won the game! Good for you.

There's an extremely short list of units/builds that can even hope to deal with a T. C'tan, and even with those builds, it basically comes down to a dice-off on who gets the drop on who.

 cyberjonesy wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
oh please. investing the same amount of poins in grav centurion devastators will annihilate that thing in 1 turn of shooting. T9 is entirely irrelevant.

With a space wolf ally to drop pod them on turn 1 within firing range, a minimal cent squad will put 15 shots on that thing that ignores armor and wound it on a 2+.

Most marine players have a cent unit so you will get face smashed by someone who noticed you after you stomp a newb or 2 with your cheese list.
After that its buy new models

15 shots, 10 hit, wound on 3+ with a re-roll, 9 wounds, 4+ invulnerable save, 4.5 wounds, feel no pain, 3 wounds. Then the Centurions die.

 Pyeatt wrote:
It also costs 420 Pts before you buy its mandatory choices, bare minimum 645 IIRC ... he wants to spend over half his points on that, just push him off the board with lascannons

You need 36 Lascannon hits to take down a C'Tan. Not sure the last time I've seen 54 Lascannons in a list.

As for the original question - I have actually done this, and was happily paired up against 2 knights and then Invis'd Centurions, so they were fair fights. Grav and D are the only ways to have a good shot of taking the Centurion down. If your opponent doesn't have access to those, it's not going to be a fun time for either of you. So, if you're looking to play more all comers, then no, don't take him. If your opponents will know what's coming and you're cool with them making a list designed to try to kill the C'Tan, it will be a fair and fun game.

Not at all. Have fun forging the narrative.

+1

But seriously the Ctan is ultra, ultra powerful especially at the 1k points mark.
Bottom line, if you and your opponent are happy with it and simply want to throw some dice around go for it, but dont expect it to be a deep, tactical or long lasting game.....

While yeah, against a random 1k list, I can see this being a big problem. It's the only real reason why taking LoW in a regular game sometimes irks me.

BUT! I think this would be awesome in a special campaign game. A Necron Lord and his "Retinue" have come to collect a recently reactivated Tesseract. To the Lord's surprise, the enemy found it first and he hopes the Tesseract will be enough to squash this pest. So, for this battle, the enemy would have a list designed to take out a Tesseract, as best they can. You can add other handicaps on either side to taste. I think it'd be a lot of fun! But I do agree that a random pick up game might be a bit....one-sided (but then again, I haven't played in almost a year. Maybe not...)

 Thud wrote:
15 shots, 10 hit, wound on 3+ with a re-roll, 9 wounds, 4+ invulnerable save, 4.5 wounds, feel no pain, 3 wounds. Then the Centurions die.

Yeah...that was a 240 point centurion squad.

You can get two more for the points cost of the transcendent C'tan.

So you kill one, maybe two when its your turn, but the remaining third will finish you off.

And with the whole Space Wolf drop pod assault thing, you put all three on D-pods and 2 will automatically arrive on turn 1...so yeah, 6 unsaved wounds dealt.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Thud wrote:
15 shots, 10 hit, wound on 3+ with a re-roll, 9 wounds, 4+ invulnerable save, 4.5 wounds, feel no pain, 3 wounds. Then the Centurions die.

Yeah...that was a 240 point centurion squad.

You can get two more for the points cost of the transcendent C'tan.

So you kill one, maybe two when its your turn, but the remaining third will finish you off.

And with the whole Space Wolf drop pod assault thing, you put all three on D-pods and 2 will automatically arrive on turn 1...so yeah, 6 unsaved wounds dealt.

First off, it's 250 points.

So, let's make a list then. Two squads of Centurions, 500 points, a Librarian with ML2 and Bones of Osric (Sentinels of Terra, which can take Dev Cents as HS and Elite) and we're at 600 plus change. 5 Tacticals in a Pod (for the mandatory Troop and the third Pod) and we're at 700 plus change. Now, main detachment of SW. Rune Priest, ML2, we're at 800. Two empty Pods. 870. Two five man BC squads and we're at 1,000.

If the C'tan is on the table and you get first turn, you drop in, kill it and win the game. Yay!

Of course, I did already say that there are builds that can deal with it in the fething post you quoted, but, hey, let's just cut that part out and pretend I never said it so you can, what? Look smart? Please...

My answer wasnt only directed at you. It was also directed at the people saying transcendent Ctans are the most OP'ed LoW ever and how bringing that to a 1k game is the epitome of WAAC.

In 40k there's a counter to everything. Of course, I do agree it is impossible to write a TAC armylist that can counter everything.

i'd be ok with your list, if you let me bring 2000 points

Make it a scenario game.

 Thud wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Thud wrote:
15 shots, 10 hit, wound on 3+ with a re-roll, 9 wounds, 4+ invulnerable save, 4.5 wounds, feel no pain, 3 wounds. Then the Centurions die.

Yeah...that was a 240 point centurion squad.

You can get two more for the points cost of the transcendent C'tan.

So you kill one, maybe two when its your turn, but the remaining third will finish you off.

And with the whole Space Wolf drop pod assault thing, you put all three on D-pods and 2 will automatically arrive on turn 1...so yeah, 6 unsaved wounds dealt.

First off, it's 250 points.

So, let's make a list then. Two squads of Centurions, 500 points, a Librarian with ML2 and Bones of Osric (Sentinels of Terra, which can take Dev Cents as HS and Elite) and we're at 600 plus change. 5 Tacticals in a Pod (for the mandatory Troop and the third Pod) and we're at 700 plus change. Now, main detachment of SW. Rune Priest, ML2, we're at 800. Two empty Pods. 870. Two five man BC squads and we're at 1,000.

If the C'tan is on the table and you get first turn, you drop in, kill it and win the game. Yay!

Of course, I did already say that there are builds that can deal with it in the fething post you quoted, but, hey, let's just cut that part out and pretend I never said it so you can, what? Look smart? Please...

This.

These other players need to stop living in a vacuum and pretending points cost aren't existant for anything bar the unit themselves. If you are taking a transport, factor that in. If you are taking 2 detachments, 3 mandatory troops and 2 mandatory HQs, factor that in. Sure, you can build a list to beat this Ctan, as was already said. But saying "most marine players have a unit of centurions so it's piss easy for them to kill your Ctan if they know it's coming" is ridiculously understating the costs it takes for an army to go toe to toe with this list, and that's all that was being pointed out. He's not saying the list unbeatable here, just that pretending it doesn't severely warp any build into something extremely Niche and specific is being ridiculous.

Well in that case the Necron player should factor the Overlord and 2 units of warriors in as well ~ 200 points.