The whole Finubar, Tyrion, Alarielle and Aliathra

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**BigOws**

OK. So, can someone explain this to me?

I've just finished reading Sword of Caledor and I've heard some stuff about what happens in end times I'm struggling to reconcile some of it. The timeline as I can work out is.

Spoiler:

Apologies if this is me getting mixed up, or if some of what I have said is just not canon. Just wanted to check my understanding!

**Loremaster Of Awesomeness**

Maybe this is because the End Times is an alternative time line (I think) so anything can happen. I know from reading the trilogy myself and consulting the army book that the events that take place then definitely happen, but I'm not really sure that The End Times timeline is part of the normal Warhammer Universe. Hope this helps and remember all this could be wrong, but that is what I inferred from it

**Shas'O Dorian**

Spoiler:

**Krellnus**

Lots of people knew, Teclis knew, Neferata knew, Eltharion knew and that apprentice of Tyrion's knew as well.

**Platuan4th**

Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:
Maybe this is because the End Times is an alternative time line (I think)

There is absolutely no indication that End Times is an alternate timeline.

You may be confusing it with FW's End Times alternate timeline that was supposed to start with Tamurkhan but got cancelled.

**KingGarland**

I have never read the Sword of Caledor and as far as I knew points 2 and 3 never happened and I thought that Alarielle was someone else's daughter therefore not making it weird. But if what you are saying is true then this does mess up the time line a little. However it could have been a cleaver little bit of foreshadowing to what is revealed in end times Nagash

**Loremaster Of Awesomeness**

Oops, I think I have. Sorry, I did get mixed up.

**Col. Tartleton**

Doesn't the Everqueen alternate bloodlines? Isn't it:
Everqueen A
Everqueen B
Everqueen A's Daughter
Everqueen B's Daughter
Everqueen A's Granddaughter
Everqueen B's Granddaughter

**KingGarland**

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Doesn't the Everqueen alternate bloodlines? Isn't it:
Everqueen A
Everqueen B
Everqueen A's Daughter
Everqueen B's Daughter
Everqueen A's Granddaughter
Everqueen B's Granddaughter

No, their is only a single line of Everqueens. The way it goes is that when a new phoenix king is elected they are symbolically married to the Everqueen for a year which produces a single daughter that will be the next Everqueen after her mother. After this each are free to marry and have children with who ever they want but any children from those will not become the Everqueen. Due to the fact that they claim to be the avatar of Isha and have the name EVERqueen I think it is suggest that they are all the same person.

**BigOws**

So, when a new Phoenix king is crowned, does te current ever queen have to give up her crown in favour of her daughter?

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Shas O'Dorian.

Aren't you getting Allariele and Aliathra mixed up.

Spoiler:

**grendel083**

End Times has re-written quite a lot of lore.

**Shas'O Dorian**

Spoiler:

**KingGarland**

BigOws wrote:So, when a new Phoenix king is crowned, does te current ever queen have to give up her crown in favour of her daughter?

This part has never been entirely clear but from what I have read I would have to say no. Say for example that Phoenix King A weds Everqueen A and has Everqueen B. Then say that not long after Phoenix King A is killed, so Phoenix King B is elected. I would not think that Everqueen B would automatically become the new one as the first is still in good health. She may not actually take the throne until Phoenix King C is ruling.

BigOws wrote:
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Shas O'Dorian.

Aren't you getting Allariele and Aliathra mixed up.

Spoiler:

Tyrion is the champion and consort of Arielle as detailed in Sword of Caledor and the High Elf Army book. Aliathra is the daughter of Tyrion and Alarielle.

My confusion arises from the fact that Finubar is believed by most to be Aliathras father. My question is about whether Finubar is Alarielle's father as she was crowned after the death of her mother well into Finubar's reign. According to tradition, Finubar would have had the ritual year long wedding with Alarielle's mother and created Alarielle.

I know someone has said that Alarielle's father is someone else, but who? And if Alarielle is not Finubar's daughter, then where is the child that Finubar sired with Alarielle's mother (who was Everqueen at the time of his being crowned).

Spoiler:

In short the way the High elves do their royalty is very confusing but in the end we are just humans. We just aren't meant to understand.

**TanKoL**

It's all very simple ..
Tyrion screwed up by having a little "adventure" with the Everqueen when saving her
The Phoenix king might think that the Everchild was his, or not ... maybe he didn't even care as he's apparently an even bigger douche than the regular High Elf

**BigOws**

Hi TanKol,

I understand that Tyrion is Aliathras father and I understand when he would have fathered Aliathra. I also understand that this was in Alarielles first year of her reign when she should have only been with Finunar.

My question is more around Alarielles father and who that was. The conclusion I'm coming to is that Alarielles father is not Finubar, which is fine. It just doesn't seem to tally with the idea that the poenix king and the evergreen have a baby and this eventually becomes the new everqueen in an unbroken line. It seems possible to me that a Phoenix king and an everqueen can have a daughter in the first test of their reign which does not eventually become everqueen. (Asuming that Finubar had a year long marriage with Alarielles mother (the everqueen at the time of his coronation) then the child born out of this marriage had clearly not had a look in and presumably wouldn't have done had Aliathra survived to become everqueen upon Alarielles death)!

As King Garland says though maybe it's just the high elves being complicated. I just hate not understanding! Ha ha.