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Updated with N3 pdf link:

http://www.infinitythegame.com/archivo/[ENG]_Rules.pdf

Killy stuff, AVA 2 and not too expensive, I like it

Yan Huo, Invincibles Fire Support Heavy Regiment
MOV4-2, CC15, BS14, PH13, WIP13, ARM5, BTS3, W2, S5, AVA2
53/2 MULTI HMG, Pistol, Knife
54/2 HMC, Pistol, Knife
52/2 2-Missile Launchers, Pistol Knife
53/2 LT, MULTI HMG, Pistol, Knife
54/2 LT, HMC, Pistol, Knife

So my first thoughts.

Not a huge discount on the Vanguards, the new Unidrons are priced very similar to the Vanguards and the Preta lost mines.


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Also standard sepsitors can only be used twice now. Avatar still gets an unlimited plus version.


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And for those that care the Exrah fluff is page 133

Vanguard didn't need a huge discount, just a discount. Their main issue was that taking a bunch of them added up at their old cost. Most folks taking three of 'em were spending a lot of extra points to get those orders. Those extra points meant buying specialists and weaponry was harder for CA. This was the true bad bit.

At 14 points, they are actually quite good and right in line with the more elite line troops of other factions. The Morat rule was improved heavily and they were given some very nice new options that will work well in links (that K1 sniper is dead cheap and will be a nasty surprise against TAGs).

For a unit that you don't have to jump through any hoops to field (like the Unidron), they make for a good basic line trooper. At the very least, I can see folks taking them again to fill a list out, especially if they aren't springing for a hacker to take batroids.

I love the Yan Huo and really wasn't expecting it to be that good. It seems like it is purpose built to be a "Timmy" (to use Magic the Gathering parlance). That is, I figured it would be big, imposing, but ultimately inefficient.

But that isn't what we got. The Yan Huo is uncharacteristically specialized for a Yu Jing unit. It is cheap for a specialty-HI (in a faction used to paying 60+ points for their good HI) with the lightest one coming in at 52 points and the priciest being only 54 (on par with the Su-Jian which is another uncharacteristically specialized Yu Jing HI).

It is equipped with the best weapons in the game in terms of fire volume but it doesn't give up much in terms of ARO punch with any of them. So it is good offensively and defensively. It may be slow, but considering what it is packing, it could have been a lot worse (many were expecting it to be a move-or-shoot type deal). It has enough armour that getting in to cover makes it hard to shift back out again. And it comes with a BS of 14 to boot, making it one of the best shooters in the faction.

And the best part? Heavy weapon LT options for a unit meant to serve on the firing line. This may well be one of our best "pricey" LT options yet. Not an assault unit like the Zuyong HMG LT, but something that can sit back in a good position and support our forward forces.

And of course, since it is basically just a barebones gun attached to a pair of legs, it can do things a TAG can't. It can dodge effectively, it can go prone(!), and it is small enough (S5, but still) that it can make good use of cover. Oh, and it can't be possessed at all, which is rare on units packing the HMC or MULTI HMG.

I'm wondering if the Maghariba Guard preview profile is missing options. The new concept art most definitely had an explosive projectile launcher of some kind, whether they kept the HGL or decided to change it, but the new profiles all say HMG/HFT or HMG/2 Heavy pistols.

Govads are going to be an interesting unit in competition with Muyibs. About the same price bracket, lose Dogged, but gain MSV L1. Since they were mentioned to be a Link option for Bahram, I'm assuming AVA 3 is the vanilla AVA. Also different options in the link - a hacker, missile launcher, sniper and HMG compared to a Spitfire, HRL, Panzerfaust and a Smoke LGL. Definitely going to have some fun with these guys.

Kasym Beg seems good. Interesting that you can pay 10 more points to take him as Regular instead of Irregular and also gain an additional SWC. Having Kinematica L2 and PH14 will definitely make him fast, moving about in the reactive turn more. The fact he has a Panzerfaust and is on a bike is going to make him very useful against lists with TAGs.

Doctor Plus is great - I hope more Haqqislam Doctors get it than just the Djanbazan. I remember Yasbir saying on the official boards people should 'have faith' that CB wouldn't boost Doctors across the board and then leave Haqqislam Doctors as merely more abundant, not better. Having wider access to Doctor Plus would certainly show that Haqqislam is still the Doctor faction.

@NuclearMessiah
What is the exrah fluff, for those of us without a book yet?

 Sinful Hero wrote:
@NuclearMessiah
What is the exrah fluff, for those of us without a book yet?

So they did a 'The Tyranids ate them'.

Disappointing.

Caskudas now for rent?

Overall. Disappointing. Crazy good profiles for USAriadna and Nomads.

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm wondering if the Maghariba Guard preview profile is missing options. The new concept art most definitely had an explosive projectile launcher of some kind, whether they kept the HGL or decided to change it, but the new profiles all say HMG/HFT or HMG/2 Heavy pistols.
...

Doctor Plus is great - I hope more Haqqislam Doctors get it than just the Djanbazan. I remember Yasbir saying on the official boards people should 'have faith' that CB wouldn't boost Doctors across the board and then leave Haqqislam Doctors as merely more abundant, not better. Having wider access to Doctor Plus would certainly show that Haqqislam is still the Doctor faction.

My assumption is that that's either the Advanced ECM (chaff launchers etc.) or a canister flamethrower.

ALL Haqq Doctors get either Doctor Plus or Akbar Doctor. WIP18 Tuareg Doctor, anyone?

So exited for new Nomads, Jagulars looks like warband to me and thats cool. Oh and they have E/m ccw thats a nice suprise!

Bandits are great, Corr needed some other cammo markers so Intruder wont stay out that much, but i wonder what Scavenger rule do?

But bigges buff goes to Moiras....30 pts for basic girl with Multirifle? hell yes and thats just for starters, MSR goes from 44 to 34!! But than you see Hacker profile and its even more mind blowing... 14pts drop.
Nomads are happy for N3.

Ps. Sniper Intruder are in good spot too.

Can someone get me rules for tinbot. Super tired right now...

 Knight wrote:
Can someone get me rules for tinbot. Super tired right now...

Pardon this is from my phone.

Tinbot

A tinbot is a semi autonomous piece of equipment that remains near is owner and provides him with some bonus or benefit. Pg 141.

I'll elaborate more when I am at my PC.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 Knight wrote:
Can someone get me rules for tinbot. Super tired right now...

Pardon this is from my phone.

Tinbot

A tinbot is a semi autonomous piece of equipment that remains near is owner and provides him with some bonus or benefit. Pg 141.

I'll elaborate more when I am at my PC.

The effect is -6 to hacking attack. Well thats the info going around right now.

 IJW wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm wondering if the Maghariba Guard preview profile is missing options. The new concept art most definitely had an explosive projectile launcher of some kind, whether they kept the HGL or decided to change it, but the new profiles all say HMG/HFT or HMG/2 Heavy pistols.
...

Doctor Plus is great - I hope more Haqqislam Doctors get it than just the Djanbazan. I remember Yasbir saying on the official boards people should 'have faith' that CB wouldn't boost Doctors across the board and then leave Haqqislam Doctors as merely more abundant, not better. Having wider access to Doctor Plus would certainly show that Haqqislam is still the Doctor faction.

My assumption is that that's either the Advanced ECM (chaff launchers etc.) or a canister flamethrower.

ALL Haqq Doctors get either Doctor Plus or Akbar Doctor. WIP18 Tuareg Doctor, anyone?

I don't think I'll miss the HGL. It's one of those profiles I found myself reluctant to use because of how good it was if someone wasn't prepared for it.

Good to know about Haqq Doctors. They really are one of my favorite aspects of the faction.

Apart from the Eagle agent and Yan Huo, did Yu Jing get any other new units?

Don't forget there's going to be stuff that's already out that's probably not going to make it into the rulebook. I'b be surprised to see the ZuYong in there, as they're new line troopers for a new sectorial that we won't see until Acheron Falls.

I'm still waiting on my book. What did the drop bear turn out to be?

 Smacks wrote:
I'm still waiting on my book. What did the drop bear turn out to be?

Pretty much a mine you can throw, doesnt require a target, but wont detonate on the turn you throw. You can chose to deploy them in the normal mine manner.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
I'm still waiting on my book. What did the drop bear turn out to be?

Pretty much a mine you can throw, doesnt require a target, but wont detonate on the Order you throw. You can chose to deploy them in the normal mine manner.

Fixed that for you ^^.

P.S. and more on the Tinbot it has 2 levels L1 is -3 hacking, L2 is -6 hacking. Plus, both levels if part of a Fireteam effects the whole Fireteam.

Noir wrote:

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
I'm still waiting on my book. What did the drop bear turn out to be?

Pretty much a mine you can throw, doesnt require a target, but wont detonate on the Order you throw. You can chose to deploy them in the normal mine manner.

Fixed that for you ^^.

P.S. and more on the Tinbot it has 2 levels L1 is -3 hacking, L2 is -6 hacking. Plus, both levels if part of a Fireteam effects the whole Fireteam.

Thanks I was just reciting that off memory lol


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 -Loki- wrote:
Don't forget there's going to be stuff that's already out that's probably not going to make it into the rulebook. I'b be surprised to see the ZuYong in there, as they're new line troopers for a new sectorial that we won't see until Acheron Falls.

All the new units that have been produced since Paradiso have been added to the core book (Save Aleph and Tohaa), to include the ZuYong. Even the Yan Huo Invincible, Fire Support regiment is in the book

As for the Zuyong, he has Kinematiak L1 and other then a few minor point reduction in load outs he is identical to his current stats in the Army Builder.

Pumped for the new stuff. Bandits and Jaguars for Corregidor! New HI and imperial Agents for Yu Jing. Good time to be collecting Nomads and Yu Jing I think.

Any news on the Pano front? Haven't seen much for them besides the Bolts and the Hospitaller Knights.

Swiss Guard, ORC, Father Knight, Aquila, Squalo, Nisse, Crock Man, Akal, Joan and Cutter were also re-typed.

Joan of Arc
MOV4-4, CC23, BS15, PH15, WIP15, ARM5, BTS6, W2, S2, AVA1
Special Skills: Inspiring Leadership, MA3, Religious Troop, V:NWI
49/0 Multi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol, AP CCW
50/0 Multi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol, DA CCW
49/+1 (LT) Multi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol, AP CCW
50/+1 (LT) Multi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol, DA CCW

Military Order Father-Knights
MOV4-4, CC23, BS14, PH14, WIP13, ARM5, BTS9, W2, S2, AVA2
Special skills: Assault, Kinematika L1, Religious Troop
44/0 Combi Rifle, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
43/0 boarding shotgun, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
49/1.5 Missile Launcher, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
50/2 Spitfire, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
50/.5 Hacker(Assault) Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
46/0 (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
44/0 (LT) Combi Rifle, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW
50/2 (LT) Spitfire, Breaker Pistol, DA CCW

Orc Troops - now 4-4 MOV, other stats identical
MULTI Rifle - 40|0
MULTI Rifle + Tinbot - 41|0.5
HMG - 44|2
Boarding Shotgun - 35|0
Combi Rifle - 36|0
Hacker (Combi) - 42|0.5
Lt (Multi Rifle) - 40|0
Lt (HMG) - 44|2

Akali Combi - 22|0 (1 pt reduction)
Spitfire - 28|1.5 (4 pt reduction compared to former HMG profile)
Hacker - 28|0.5 (7 pt reduction)
BSG - 21|0

Croc Man - Lost Light Shotgun in all profiles, gained Multiterrain, all profiles still have Mines
Combi - 30|0 (3pt reduction)
MULTI Sniper - 38|1.5 (5pt reduction)
Hacker - 36|0.5 (9pt reduction)
FO - 32|0 (5pt reduction)
Croc Man BSG - 29|0
Croc Man Lt (Combi) - 30|2

ORC, Akal and Crock have assault hacking device.

Swiss Guard - Now 4-4 MOV (!), no more light shotguns on basic profiles, otherwise identical stats.
MULTI - 64|0 (6pt reduction)
HMG - 68|2 (1pt increase)
Missile Launcher + Light Shotgun - 69|2 (5pt reduction, gained LSG)
Swiss Guard Hacker (standard Hacking Device) - 70|0.5 (12pt reduction)

Nisses HMG - 34|1.5 (2pt reduction)
Nisses MULTI Sniper - 34|1.5 (7pt reduction)
Nisses Hacker - 38|0.5 (5pt reduction)
Nisses Combi+LSG - 30|0
Nisses Lieutenant - 30|1
Nisses Paramedic - 32|0

Squalo, PanOceanian Armored Cavalry Heaver Lancers
MOV6-4, CC18, BS15, PH17, WIP12, ARM8, BTS6, STR3, S7, AVA2
Skills: G:Remote Presence
Equipment: Advanced ECM
93/2 Multi HMG, AP Heavy Pistol
95/2.5 Multi HMG, HGL, AP Heavy Pistol
93/2 (LT) Multi HMG, AP Heavy Pistol

Cutter lost heavy flame thrower, Aquila lost E/M LGL

I hadnt looked into/seen any other factions things other than nomads but i did feel that many things just seemed to get better. Was wondering how other factions fared, but the swissile with a lsg is gross. No point trying to get into their bad missile ranges now.
Although in general its good, profiles that used to be too expensive seem to have come into line. (I don't understand the points drop on intruders though, and the msr one now feels a tad too cheap but I guess I'll see how it compares to everything else N3)

So not many new units for Pano it seems. But some nice buffs. MO sectorial looks like it got a lot better.

Father knight's got a profile for everything. WIP13 BTS 9 hacker :O.

 ckig wrote:
So not many new units for Pano it seems. But some nice buffs. MO sectorial looks like it got a lot better.

Father knight's got a profile for everything. WIP13 BTS 9 hacker :O.

There was not much gapfilling necessary for PanO as it stands. And because they don't want to have more units which essentially will be "gapfilling" for existing Sectorials in "Acheron Falls"(like we saw with Campaign: Paradiso), a lot of the gapfilling was chosen for this book instead.

Acheron Falls is going to be seeing two new Sectorials for PanOceania(potentially three), so you'll be seeing a lot of new stuff then.

 ckig wrote:
Father knight's got a profile for everything. WIP13 BTS 9 hacker :O.

Supposedly he'll also have Haris to link with other Knights, once CB gets around other rules. He really adds to Military Order force.

 Knight wrote:

 ckig wrote:
Father knight's got a profile for everything. WIP13 BTS 9 hacker :O.

Supposedly he'll also have Haris to link with other Knights, once CB gets around other rules. He really adds to Military Order force.

That would be nice, I like the MO, but it just feels to restrictive in list building to me.


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It is worth noting that the N3 rules are now up for download over on the official site.

Direct link here:
http://www.infinitythegame.com/archivo/[ENG]_Rules.pdf