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Noisy_Marine wrote:Hm, in resin you can't chuck Ghazgkhull through a window or at your opponent's head. Well you *could*, but Ghaz would break instead of the window.

Some people put a key under their doormat, in case they lock themselves out of their homes.

I have Ghaz hidden under my doormat to break open a window. It's only right an proppa!

killkrazy wrote:
I am not 100% convinced that the people chosen for that advert are completely unbiased.

Just Dave wrote:Also, Draigo's chest says "sword"?!

The new GK's are covered in all sorts of goofy nonsense. Why they couldn't stick to pseudo-Latin 'High Gothic' is anyone's guess.

I'm pretty sure it's "S Word" and they ran out of room for the space.

The other side, not pictured, says Bull.

Or it's missing the 'here' and the bitz-ordered neon glowing arrow floating above his head...

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, as thread is a tad long, but I am fairly reliably informed that rather than completely replacing the metal models, all current metals are going direct only.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

That's a lot of flash, it's a good job resin is soft because you're going to be doing a fair bit of cleaning. Remember these are "the best quality miniatures in the world" and they look like someone's back kitchen job. I can't think of another company that puts figures on the market in this condition. No wonder they hide it in a box rather than in a blister.

+1
It looks truly awful. They may be getting alot of returns.

Howard A Treesong wrote:
Some of those tags look a little tricky to remove where they attach onto the shoulderpad (marked in red). And what are those strange protuberances coming from various parts of the figure (in yellow).

I think the yellow ones are vents to let the air escape. You see them on metal models as well.

Truthfully the flash doesn't look horrible to me. With my experience with FW as well as casting myself, most of that flash is wafer thin and will fall off the model if you breathe hard enough. As for the bigger bits, its no more that I expect from most GW metals at the moment, and would be considerably easier to clean off. The flat panels look crisp and smooth, with no odd lumps and bumps stuck in horribly hard to clean places.

Not that the price increase is an excuse for anything less than cleaned and hand-delivered to your door, but still...

insaniak wrote:

Grim.Badger wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:There's no way to get more detail out of old molds except by resculpting them.

The case is that the resin flows into intricate detail better - different liquids flow into small spaces differently, for example a high lead pewter will flow better than a low lead pewter, but will be softer; metal alloys also have stronger inter-molecular bonding than plastics and resins which acts in a similar way to water surface tension and stops the metal from flowing into very fine detail [a mix of Degree level metalurgy and A-level Chemistry - apologies if it's not quite right).

The metal also shrinks as it cools, which results in a slight loss of detail. Some resins shrink as well, some don't.

Ah, I see. I wasn't aware. Thanks


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Oh, and some of that flash really is horrible. Oy. Especially around his banner. Those are delicate pieces, and I can imagine that snapping one of the little spikes off would be quite easy.

spaceelf wrote:+1
It looks truly awful. They may be getting alot of returns.

Maybe, at least until customers get used to this stuff, until then there may be a few surprises.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I think the yellow ones are vents to let the air escape. You see them on metal models as well.

Probably, but the sprue itself has quite a lot anyway so its surprising they need more.

The flash doesn't look any worse than alot of other GW plastic models. Can't wait to pick up a new resin model.

Hey guys,
It's worth getting next months white dwarf.(I received it today through the post subscriptions do have there advantages!)..But it is pack with the info about the Citadel Finecast stuff and the battle report of the century..

...And a what the boxes will look like...

...I honestly prefer the newest ones.

I didn't see it mentioned, but I'm curious if we can use typical model glue to fuze plastic pieces to the resin? Or do you have to stick with super glues?

Also, is the idea for them to make all the metal/plastic models plastic/resin kits now? The Thousand Sons for example? And will these kits see an increase in cost?

Not meaning to be rude, but FOR FETH'S SAKE! A little flash is inevitable, yet you're acting like it's the fething apocalypse! Stop trolling just because it has 3 BITS OF FLASH!

nectarprime wrote:The flash doesn't look any worse than alot of other GW plastic models. Can't wait to pick up a new resin model.

You usually only get flash that bad in injection moulding when the moulds are worn or badly aligned and badly quality controlled. I've never had a GW kit anything like that bad.

This piece may be a pre-production sample, which would excuse the flash but doesn't make it a good decision to use it to demonstrate the quality.

This new resin needs to be a lot more flexible than normal resin or polystyrene, or cleaning the small parts will be very tricky.

Kilkrazy wrote:

nectarprime wrote:The flash doesn't look any worse than alot of other GW plastic models. Can't wait to pick up a new resin model.

You usually only get flash that bad in injection moulding when the moulds are worn or badly aligned and badly quality controlled. I've never had a GW kit anything like that bad.

This piece may be a pre-production sample, which would excuse the flash but doesn't make it a good decision to use it to demonstrate the quality.

This new resin needs to be a lot more flexible than normal resin or polystyrene, or cleaning the small parts will be very tricky.

I find it funny that people defend FW's parts coming to customers all warped and disfigured and they act like it's acceptable, but GW models have a little flash on them and everyone is up and arms about it.

hey, hate on gw is the new black didn't you hear?

I think it's nothing bad, a little work with a razorblade and you end up with a good looking mini.

Thank you nectarprime, it ISN'T such a big deal that it has 3 pieces of flash.

Yeah, but what did it for me is that A) that's considerably more flash than I've ever seen in any other GW model, B) they've increased the price and C) they claim them to be the best models in the world, which whilst obviously sales talk, is blatantly not the case it seems...

I do like how these new resin models coming on sprues should make conversions easier however, which is always a good thing.

Howard A Treesong wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2011/5/24/966cb5841ffb8eb6f4713ec9f1252e15_40490.jpg

There you are, said they'd be in sealed boxes you you can't see how pig ugly these resin sprues look.

Look at the packs behind him. It's a sealed clear plastic clamshell pack that has the front covered with a photo of the painted mini and you can see through the back of it to see the actual sprue. It's better than the old setup where you had to pretty much guess what the finished model would look like if you didn't have a photo in the codex or WD to refer to

nectarprime wrote:I find it funny that people defend FW's parts coming to customers all warped and disfigured and they act like it's acceptable, but GW models have a little flash on them and everyone is up and arms about it.

My forgeworld stuff hasn't reached me that what much flash on. Also the forgeworld figures I've had tend not to have that many vents on them, the have a single large tag attached to the base. That's probably the difference when you aren't going for mass production that needs the moulds churning out a large volume of figures in short time.


And on that note, because you can't melt the resin and return it to the melting pot like you can with metal, what will happen to all the miscasts? Some will likely be serviceable figures even if they don't come to retail standard, especially tempting at the new prices. Will people try to get them out of the factory and distribute them cheaply? Time to go skip diving around the back of GW factory.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

wtf? So they go to a cheaper material and it is covered in flash but charge more? you GW, you your stupid

Looking at june's white dwarf, they're re-doing a lot of stuff

How much do you think will be redone? (looking at SOB)
They've re-done hybrid kits, so maybe full metals too?

Its only the top 100 sellers are getting redone + everything new that comes out in the future.

Common, that flash is not horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I don't see any difference between what you'd see on metal, only that the fine details are crisper.

Ravenous D wrote:Its only the top 100 sellers are getting redone + everything new that comes out in the future.

So everything else will still be metal? Source on this?

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Common, that flash is not horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I don't see any difference between what you'd see on metal, only that the fine details are crisper.

I think that's part of the problem. Metal models where somewhat more sturdy and forgiving on cleanups. There's good concern that the resin-flash could screw the model up quite badly.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Common, that flash is not horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I don't see any difference between what you'd see on metal, only that the fine details are crisper.

I think that's part of the problem. Metal models where somewhat more sturdy and forgiving on cleanups. There's good concern that the resin-flash could screw the model up quite badly.

No, there's really not.

It takes in those cases just a simple swipe of a knife to get rid of the flash.

If you're using clippers to do the really delicate stuff, it will break yes. But that's because clippers are brutal, simplistic tools for removing flash.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Common, that flash is not horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I don't see any difference between what you'd see on metal, only that the fine details are crisper.

I think that's part of the problem. Metal models where somewhat more sturdy and forgiving on cleanups. There's good concern that the resin-flash could screw the model up quite badly.

That flash looks paper thin to me, and might not even be connected to the banner at all. Even if it was, I do not think it will be a problem.

got my castellan Crowe today, i like better than the pewter but some parts had some real bad air bubbles, feel weird cause the sword is soft and bends hehe
came in a blister just with art on the front of it, if you hold him up to light you can pretty much see thru his banner and on his cape theres a part thats so thin that there are tiny holes in it
can see it on first pic just right of the book on his waist

nectarprime wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

nectarprime wrote:The flash doesn't look any worse than alot of other GW plastic models. Can't wait to pick up a new resin model.

You usually only get flash that bad in injection moulding when the moulds are worn or badly aligned and badly quality controlled. I've never had a GW kit anything like that bad.

This piece may be a pre-production sample, which would excuse the flash but doesn't make it a good decision to use it to demonstrate the quality.

This new resin needs to be a lot more flexible than normal resin or polystyrene, or cleaning the small parts will be very tricky.

I find it funny that people defend FW's parts coming to customers all warped and disfigured and they act like it's acceptable, but GW models have a little flash on them and everyone is up and arms about it.

First, I haven't defended FW's parts.

Second, FW models are marketed as specialist items for experienced modellers who should expect to have the skills and motivation to deal with some complications in assembly.

Whereas, GW Finecast is being marketed as the Second Coming.

Third, I have assembled over 100 GW polystyrene kits and I've never seen one as bad as you describe. I've got hundreds of metal models and I've never seen one that bad.

Fourth, I have 40 years experience in plastic modelling and I can tell you that thin parts as seen in the pictured kit are tricky to get off the sprue intact.