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Nice looking miniatures but I won't be buying it since I just layed down a huge wad of cash to expand my ogre army.

Really, I'd much rather they used their resources in producing rulebooks for all the 40k armies that didn't get a 5th edition update since most rumors are putting 6th edition next year. My Tau are crying as they languish in the closet.

BrookM wrote:
Ah, good comparison! If Mantic can get away with it a few times, why not GW?

Mantic has the invaluable advantage of not having to deal with Phil "Space Wolf" Kelly -ing up any semblance of a balanced and fun gaming rules at whatever he touches.

Panic wrote:yeah,
what a bunch of cry babies... it's really really sad.

Weird, why you sad? I mean they released a bunch of toy ships that make no sense but that you like, and a board game that you know nothing about the game but that you again liked it... and you spend 90 euros on this boardgame that you are so thrilled about... I mean you should be HAPPY! Or is it that you like to complain for the sake of it
Bunch of cry babies indeed, cant even be happy when their diapers are clean

Zweischneid wrote:

BrookM wrote:
Ah, good comparison! If Mantic can get away with it a few times, why not GW?

Mantic has the invaluable advantage of not having to deal with Phil "Space Wolf" Kelly -ing up any semblance of a balanced and fun gaming rules at whatever he touches.

Yeah, instead Mantic has the guy who single-handedly ruined Fantasy, or so I'm told

yeah,

filbert wrote:
yeah,
lets not dismiss other viewpoints, however valid they may or may not be as 'cry-babies'...
filbert...

Your right GW is charging too much for this game, and the people complaining about about the price are clearly not just a bunch of cry babies but people with valid concerns about the price.
Just so I know what was the correct price for this game?
Also everyone knows they have a right to buy games and play them straight away in the shop they bought them in! no one should be asked to take their games home to play with their friends.
And finally everyone complaining about lack of expandability have a very fair viewpoint... I mean all games must expand! Games should never be allowed to get played out or be completed.
I was wrong to call these people crybabies. Sorry.

RiTides wrote:... the very informative video, which talks a hair about gameplay...

yeah they havn't given away much about gameplay yet.
i think this week will see a demo game in the blog, like they did with space hulk.
Looking at the tools? sorry about the quick hack and slash photo (from the GW photos)


on the sprue you have a 18" ruler with two pivot points.
you also get two ships wheels. I'm guessing to limit each turn to a maximum of 135°
and a wind compass?

I have no idea of how you decide wind direction changes? there is no eight sided die in the box?
and Speculation... but it looks like each ship can turn twice and the fastest ship will move 18"
Looks kinda cool in the photo weaving between the rocks.

Panic...

Just a guess, but I don't think current 40k/Fantasy players are really the target audience here.

NeutronPoison wrote:Just a guess, but I don't think current 40k/Fantasy players are really the target audience here.

They would have to be, it's not like GW places ads in newspapers or trade magazines to stir up more custom.

Why is there no lizardman ship? How difficult could that have been?
What's even worse is that there are only 4 ships that look Ok IMO. The rest look pretty ridiculous.

£70 That's a laugh.

agnosto wrote:

NeutronPoison wrote:Just a guess, but I don't think current 40k/Fantasy players are really the target audience here.

They would have to be, it's not like GW places ads in newspapers or trade magazines to stir up more custom.

And one shot with limited numbers it looks like its more aimed to even a reduced population of the most hardcore fantasy fans... People not familiar with GW will only see this when its to late.

@Panic... you are really THAT pissed with people not liking what you like that much? Drink a tea and relax mate... soon the game will be in your house and you can have tons of fun!... Or not

Now that the discussion has entered the fascinating stage of insults, recriminations, and armchair psychology, I will jump in with an important question.

Are there copies of the game in stores for a look today, or are we supposed to consider a pre-order on the pretty pictures alone? I'm genuinely curious. As a game in a box, it looks fun. But that is a high price to pay without handling a ship or two and flipping through the rulebook.

yeah,
Not pissed dude, just calling spades spades dude.

Just got my copies of hive of the dead and incurrsion and in a few days I'll have toy boats to play with too, I Couldn't be happier.

Panic...

Here is my only issue with the game.Scale are they the same scale as the MAN o War ships?or really close so that you can make race fleets and play the games as a factions battle,like man o war, if so i am on board also can i play a game in under four hours?For our group whic,h we are older gamers are biggest issue is playing a game in under four hours.Famlies,work etc.We have pretty much abdoned are other games because of the time involved in a game.Yes, we could play smalll game but that is no fun when you got bucket loads of cool models for use.

Panic wrote:yeah,
Not pissed dude, just calling spades spades dude.

Just got my copies of hive of the dead and incurrsion and in a few days I'll have toy boats to play with too, I Couldn't be happier.

Panic...

Incursion is a really cool game. The cards give it a lot of flavor, and the ability to choose your forces vice have scenario designated forces is nice.

Jake


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col. krazy kenny wrote:Here is my only issue with the game.Scale are they the same scale as the MAN o War ships?or really close so that you can make race fleets and play the games as a factions battle,like man o war if so i am on board also can iplay a game in under four hours.For our group which we are older gamerare biggest issue is playing a game in under four hours.Famlies,work etc.We have pretty much abdoned are other games because of the time involved in a game.Yes we could play smalll game but that is no fun when you got bucket loads of cool models for use.

I think the Man O War ships were a lot smaller than these. The hammer ship is 100mm long for example.

Jake

dienekes96 wrote:Now that the discussion has entered the fascinating stage of insults, recriminations, and armchair psychology, I will jump in with an important question.

Are there copies of the game in stores for a look today, or are we supposed to consider a pre-order on the pretty pictures alone? I'm genuinely curious. As a game in a box, it looks fun. But that is a high price to pay without handling a ship or two and flipping through the rulebook.

I don't have GW in my country so yes pretty pics is all I get... I think it would be nice if GW did a small demo video about gameplay and they will probably do that?
Thank you for your so important question because important questions are important

@Panic good for you dude. If we are going to be so stressed about these things I think none of us would be into wargaming in the first place, its not like our hobby is a mainstream thing.

Panic wrote:yeah,

filbert wrote:
yeah,
lets not dismiss other viewpoints, however valid they may or may not be as 'cry-babies'...
filbert...

Your right GW is charging too much for this game, and the people complaining about about the price are clearly not just a bunch of cry babies but people with valid concerns about the price.
Just so I know what was the correct price for this game?
Also everyone knows they have a right to buy games and play them straight away in the shop they bought them in! no one should be asked to take their games home to play with their friends.
And finally everyone complaining about lack of expandability have a very fair viewpoint... I mean all games must expand! Games should never be allowed to get played out or be completed.
I was wrong to call these people crybabies.

Panic...

I'm not being a crybaby about the price, since I wouldn't even buy this game at half the asking price. It's just my opinion that with the talent available at GW something far better and more original could have been created. Will people buy this game? Clearly they will, and a best case scenario for people that like Man O War is that GW will release that game again in some capacity.

Am I going to pick this up? No. Because I believe it will go by the way side like all other limited run games and concepts.

But I'm also a realist. The product is going to sell out of their limited run because enough people are going to pick it up.

Which in turn GW will make a profit from it.

Adam LongWalker wrote:Am I going to pick this up? No. Because I believe it will go by the way side like all other limited run games and concepts.

But I'm also a realist. The product is going to sell out of their limited run because enough people are going to pick it up.

Which in turn GW will make a profit from it.

And Im crossing fingers that they do, so taht next year we get something like warhammer quest or mordheim...

yeah,
Looking at the sea mat in this game, it looks good.
Not seen it in person yet but the detail looks good.

I'm kinda hoping for a BFG reboot with a similar space mat included.

Panic...

When I first saw it last night, I was a little disappointed because it wasn't Man O War. But to be honest, having spent all afternoon looking at the pics and the video they have put together for it, I could not BE more psyched for this game. Yes, its expensive, but then again when has GW ever been a cheap hobby? To be honest, all of the people who are moaning about it are the same people who will moan about anything that GW ever does. The answer is simple - IT IS A GAME. If you don't like it, then guess what? It's a free country so you don't have to buy it (amazing I know but true nonethless)

I was worried that I wouldn't be able to get a copy to be honest as I am having an expensive month what with GD coming up etc, but I have at least two friends who are Indie retailers who will hold one for me until I can save up to pay them for it so its all good. And I can start saving now because its not even due out for another fortnight

dienekes96 wrote:Now that the discussion has entered the fascinating stage of insults, recriminations, and armchair psychology, I will jump in with an important question.

Are there copies of the game in stores for a look today, or are we supposed to consider a pre-order on the pretty pictures alone? I'm genuinely curious. As a game in a box, it looks fun. But that is a high price to pay without handling a ship or two and flipping through the rulebook.

Nope. No copies. You have to buy it unseen. Some managers will have their own personal copies which they may let people look at. This has to be the dumbest way to sell a game that costs $115. That is expensive for what is in the box.

As for expansions, go look at Memoir44.

@@@ Panic, do not be so damn obtiuse - having expansions is good for the company and good for the customer. Mant successful games have expansions. If GW did an expansion for space hulk, say Orks with rules againsts nids and marines I would drop $100 on that in a heartbeat. Just because some people think youre weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero detiails other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies. Personally I think anyone who buys a game with knowing the mechanic is taking an unnecessary risk.

NAVARRO wrote:
And Im crossing fingers that they do, so that next year we get something like warhammer quest or mordheim...

We can only hope.

Mr.Malevolent wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:
And Im crossing fingers that they do, so that next year we get something like warhammer quest or mordheim...

We can only hope.

At a local store here, people are using the Malifaux boards for Mordheim, making for some pretty incredible looking games. I bet the same thing could be used for Quest.

fullheadofhair wrote:
@@@ Panic, do not be so damn obtiuse - having expansions is good for the company and good for the customer. Mant successful games have expansions. If GW did an expansion for space hulk, say Orks with rules againsts nids and marines I would drop $100 on that in a heartbeat.

You don't need GW to do this. You just need the Space Hulk rules and a decent sense of how best to balance things yourself.

Just because some people think you're weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero details other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies.

Except it's not "people think you're weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero details other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies"--it's "people think you're an idiot/fanboy/moron/whatever insulting idea you want to insert here for buying this from GW instead of Spartan Games".

Personally I think anyone who buys a game with knowing the mechanic is taking an unnecessary risk.

By this logic, anyone who buys the starter set for FB/40k/LOTR are taking an unnecessary risk.

In the end, while it's expensive...this is something that isn't that bad of a buy. You won't need to buy any special scenery or anything like that. This is, with the addition of the "sea mat" something you can just whip out and put on the table for a night of gaming in all likelihood.

Super crazy idea based on what they have shown is achieveable with dread fleet.

Do dreadspace :wink: with combined good/evil fleets with character ships.

With space mat, dice, gaming tools, news rules et al

Transfer existing BFG ships if metal into failcast.

Make fleet codexes for each fleet.

Sell existing (and newly failcasted) BFG ships and new fleet codexes as expansions to the dreadspace self contained game.

This way you get your one off shiny stand alone box game but can also reinvigorate your existing product range. No new miniatures outside of the box set. Minimal extra effort to produce fleet codexes as the rules would be in the box set.

Wouldn't this have made more sense?

Get your quick cash injection from the box set.

Then boost sales for an existing line.

Or am I nuts?

NAVARRO wrote:

Adam LongWalker wrote:Am I going to pick this up? No. Because I believe it will go by the way side like all other limited run games and concepts.

But I'm also a realist. The product is going to sell out of their limited run because enough people are going to pick it up.

Which in turn GW will make a profit from it.

And Im crossing fingers that they do, so taht next year we get something like warhammer quest or mordheim...

Doubt that will happen anytime soon. I believe that Kirby is going to retire at the end of the fiscal '12-13. He'll be 60+ years old and he'll want his cake too!

But the end of next year we got the 6th Ed of 40K and of course the whole gambit of codex's/product from now to then as well.

I believe that the corporation does not have or is willing to pay for the resources to do additional product other than 40k/WFB/LotR.

Game looks cool, but I doubt I'll be getting it..

Cons for me are .. price.. $115? For serious?? It might be chock fulla stuff, but come on.

Then, it's limited, so if I want to save up to get it, I can't cuz it'll be gone by the time I can afford it. Thank you, GW, for announcing this 2 months ago. (not)

And since I barely get to play at all as it is, I'll paint the models and then the game will sit on my shelf forever. Maybe I'll get to play it like once if I'm lucky.

If it wasn't limited I'd consider saving up and/or asking for it for xmas, but it'll be gone by then. So, like Space Hulk, I'll just keep my money and do without. I think it's the whole limited thing that bugs me the most.....

Panic wrote:
I have no idea of how you decide wind direction changes? there is no eight sided die in the box?

Panic...

I'd hazard a guess that there will be a 2d6 table.. with 8 different directions for rolls of 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10... and then either "no wind" or some sort of crazy special results (like a whirlpool sucking ships towards the centre) for rolls 2, 11, and 12...

As an aside, I would absolutely hate BFG to be given the same treatment as the dread fleet game... do not want.

BrookM wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

BrookM wrote:OH HOWARD, we are soooo sowwy for spending our own monies on something you don't like, can you ever find it in your heart to fowgive us? Pweeeeeese?

I'm just perplexed that people are laying out £70 on a game they don't really know much about.

You have seen the Matic Warpath preorders thread, right?

Ah, good comparison! If Mantic can get away with it a few times, why not GW?

Some people never miss a trick... I swear, I could start a thread about bloody chocolate easter bunnies and get a reply of "mantic sucks for not casting their minis in chocolate!"

Anyway, the difference between Warpath and Dread Fleet is that you will not be able to buy Dread Fleet in about 2 weeks time... in fact, if you look at the GW site's what's new today, the web guy is trying to push that angle as much as he can stating "remember how fast space hulk sold out", "don't miss out", "now that you've clicked on the buy button, here are some pictures of the models!

Seriously, read the quote below:

Games Workshop wrote:Avast me hearties and shiver me timbers, Dreadfleet, the game of naval warfare on the turbulent seas of the Warhammer world, has just sailed into view and is now available to advance order from the website. Before I crack on with today's blog and go overboard with all the nautical puns, it's worth mentioning that this kit is available ONLY WHILE STOCKS LAST. Do you remember when we released Space Hulk a couple of years ago and how quickly that sold out? Well expect the same of Dreadfleet - once it's gone, it's gone, and you won't want to be sitting there when the ship has sailed without one in your hands. I've included a couple of handy links for you to follow, so that you can place your order today. There's even a novella written by Games Developer Phil Kelly to run alongside the game to give you a greater insight into the ripping yarn of Captain Roth's epic quest for revenge. Oh, and don't forget your Plastic Glue, too. These warships do fit together without it, but a dab of Plastic Glue will make your Warships even more robust should you become over-excited and wreak some battle damage of your own. So click on the links below, order your stuff now and come back to find out more about this wondrous seafaring game.

Buy our game!, NO DON'T LOOK AT THE PICTURES FIRST. Seriously, if you do that it will be out of stock by the time you've finished drooling over them, so blindly click that buy button already.

Necros wrote:Game looks cool, but I doubt I'll be getting it..

Cons for me are .. price.. $115? For serious?? It might be chock fulla stuff, but come on.

Then, it's limited, so if I want to save up to get it, I can't cuz it'll be gone by the time I can afford it. Thank you, GW, for announcing this 2 months ago. (not)

And since I barely get to play at all as it is, I'll paint the models and then the game will sit on my shelf forever. Maybe I'll get to play it like once if I'm lucky.

If it wasn't limited I'd consider saving up and/or asking for it for xmas, but it'll be gone by then. So, like Space Hulk, I'll just keep my money and do without. I think it's the whole limited thing that bugs me the most.....

I'm in the same boat with you. If it wasn't limited I would think about it. Like Space Hulk before it, by the time I was able to realistically spend the cash on it, it was nowhere to be found. I'm definitely not going to pay $200 or more for it now either. I just think their crazy "We will announce things the week before" is ridiculous as well. But I have a feeling they'll keep at it for a time and when it backfires, they'll keep at it some more till Kirby leaves

I'm sure fantasy flight will pick up expansions. Our group just finished up our Mordheim group and BFG will start soon. Things come and go, but as long as someone has a copy of the game people will play. Can't wait, looks cool.

I stopped complaining about prices. Moot issue no one is going to do anything about.