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Does Belial unlock DW as troops for primary detachment only?

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 Ovion wrote:
 chris_valera wrote:
STILL can't get over the fact they haven't resculpted Azrael AGAIN, for two editions now! (The "new" back banner doesn't count) He was smaller than 40K2-era marines when he was first released, for crying out loud.

Have you considered he's maybe meant to be a midget among marines? :p


Azrael died a long time agon. They put one of those small rope guys into a PA suit. That's the secret they are so ashamed about.

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 Gornall wrote:
Does Belial unlock DW as troops for primary detachment only?

Primary detachment only.

"In a primary detachment that contains Belial, Deathwing Terminator Squads are troops choices instead of elites choices"

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 MightyGodzilla wrote:
 Gornall wrote:
Does Belial unlock DW as troops for primary detachment only?

Primary detachment only.

"In a primary detachment that contains Belial, Deathwing Terminator Squads are troops choices instead of elites choices"


Awww.... That finished off my whole interest in this release. Oh well. Thanks for the info!

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combatmedic wrote:Im sure the only reason Japan lost WW2 was because the US failed disclose beforehand they had Tactical Nuke special rule.

 
   
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Thinking of allying a DW army?

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 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Thinking of allying a DW army?


Was. A few scoring Termies and a flyer might have been fun to go with my Smurfs.

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Honestly I think it's for the best, I think it'd be silly to have Ravenwing and Deathwing securing objectives for other imperial armies.

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How many pts is it to outfit a 10-man tactical squad like the DV box (Plasma cannon, plasma gun, plasma pistol on srgt)???

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 Drunkspleen wrote:
Honestly I think it's for the best, I think it'd be silly to have Ravenwing and Deathwing securing objectives for other imperial armies.


Indeed. By the fluff, Ravenwing and Deathwing would be more concerned with secretly hunting the Fallen instead of helping imperials beat up xenos kids for their lunch money.
   
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Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
How many pts is it to outfit a 10-man tactical squad like the DV box (Plasma cannon, plasma gun, plasma pistol on srgt)???


185 for a regular sergeant, 195 if you want him as a vet
   
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tidalwake wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
How many pts is it to outfit a 10-man tactical squad like the DV box (Plasma cannon, plasma gun, plasma pistol on srgt)???


185 for a regular sergeant, 195 if you want him as a vet


Holy thats cheap. Okay, be right back, gonna buy 4 or 5 more DV tactical Squads....

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Welp, it seems after horribad fluff in the GK/Necron Codex's, GW is simply not making any new fluff for their new edition dex's. Both the CSM Codex and this one (skimming it) were devoid of any meaningful new fluff. I guess this is better then the Necron treatment.

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Looking for the Empire spearmen from the Warhammer sixth edition box set (empire vs orcs) Must be unpainted and in good condition. Also looking for MIB Empire State Troops boxes.

Looking for Battle for Macragge and Black Reach Tactical squads, unpainted and unassembled. 
   
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 Harriticus wrote:
Welp, it seems after horribad fluff in the GK/Necron Codex's, GW is simply not making any new fluff for their new edition dex's. Both the CSM Codex and this one (skimming it) were devoid of any meaningful new fluff. I guess this is better then the Necron treatment.


To stick with mostly established and rather nice fluff is preferrable to the sillyness, so I am happy with the course of 6th ed so far.
GW got a bit back in time too, more fluff of pre-M41 and the 13th BC as the end of their setting.


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 chris_valera wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:
@chris_valera

Aren't you a bundle of sunshine


You must not be aware of the "unique" reputation I had, back in the day...

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Is that reputation related to the avast malware warnings people get when they try to access your website?

   
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Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
tidalwake wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
How many pts is it to outfit a 10-man tactical squad like the DV box (Plasma cannon, plasma gun, plasma pistol on srgt)???


185 for a regular sergeant, 195 if you want him as a vet


Holy thats cheap. Okay, be right back, gonna buy 4 or 5 more DV tactical Squads....


Not really, if you took the same squad from Codex: Space Marines it would be 200 points, which is only 5 points more than the veteran sergeant version from DAs, the majority of the savings DA can take is from the downgrade to Leadership 8.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I like the freedom of being able to leave the Vet Sergeant at home, especially useful in an Azrael army making use of his Rites of Battle rule, but where the new DA costing outshines the vanilla codex isn't full 10 man squads with both weapon options, it's the smaller units.

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ughhh and here I sit with no codex because this darn winter storm delayed the shipment!
   
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I had to download my iPad codex twice, first time it had no pictures.

Found that the first paragraph for the Company Master background has Warhammer fluff in it.

Found no special Gets Hot! rule which is a shame.

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Does the Watcher in the Dark that comes with the Deathwing Command Squad box have a statline and/or do anything, or is he just there as a reminder that you have a piece of wargear?

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 Drunkspleen wrote:
...but where the new DA costing outshines the vanilla codex isn't full 10 man squads with both weapon options, it's the smaller units.


I hope this is something regular Marines get in the end as well.

   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Does the Watcher in the Dark that comes with the Deathwing Command Squad box have a statline and/or do anything, or is he just there as a reminder that you have a piece of wargear?


There's not any statline for the watcher on any of the Deathwing entries. He's just there for show, or yeah, to act as a marker of some sort. DWK's can take a "perfidious relic" as an option, maybe use him as a marker for that.

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Can someone please quote azreals new stats and rules.
thanks

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 Scrollax wrote:
Can someone please quote azreals new stats and rules.
thanks


WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv 2+

Can select your warlord trait from the 6 new ones in the DA Codex
Makes Deathwing Terms and Ravenwing Attack Squads troops

Chapter Relics:
Protector - 6+ feel no pain artificer armor
Lion's Wrath - master crafted combi-plasma gun with blind on the plasma profile
Sword of Secrets - S+2 AP3 Mastercrafted power sword
Lion's Helm - 4+ invulnerable save to him and his unit

Also has Inner Circle and Rites of Battle

Biggest weakness is no eternal warrior so he is susceptible to ID

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Drunkspleen wrote:
...but where the new DA costing outshines the vanilla codex isn't full 10 man squads with both weapon options, it's the smaller units.


I hope this is something regular Marines get in the end as well.


The weapons options for sure, but I kind of like optional Veteran Sergeants as a slight differentiation for DA tac squads, and it makes sense to me given the way veterancy works among the DAs that maybe they are less likely to use their veterans who aren't Deathwing that way.

I wouldn't be offended if regular marines got that, but I would also be happy if they didn't.

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tidalwake wrote:
Lion's Helm - 4+ invulnerable save to him and his unit


All the time or just against ranged attacks?

   
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 MightyGodzilla wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Does the Watcher in the Dark that comes with the Deathwing Command Squad box have a statline and/or do anything, or is he just there as a reminder that you have a piece of wargear?


There's not any statline for the watcher on any of the Deathwing entries. He's just there for show, or yeah, to act as a marker of some sort. DWK's can take a "perfidious relic" as an option, maybe use him as a marker for that.


He is a Perfidious Relic Marker, the Company Master can take one as well as Deathwing Knights.

He's not going to have a stat line because the established fluff is that they never assist in fighting and are nigh on indestructible.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
tidalwake wrote:
Lion's Helm - 4+ invulnerable save to him and his unit


All the time or just against ranged attacks?


All the time, it was the same in the last codex too so I'm curious, what made you think it might be only against Ranged Attacks?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
tidalwake wrote:
Lion's Helm - 4+ invulnerable save to him and his unit


All the time or just against ranged attacks?


All the time

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 Drunkspleen wrote:
All the time, it was the same in the last codex too so I'm curious, what made you think it might be only against Ranged Attacks?


I'm thinkin' back to the days when it really was a bubble-field, and didn't work against attacks made from inside the field.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Drunkspleen wrote:
All the time, it was the same in the last codex too so I'm curious, what made you think it might be only against Ranged Attacks?


I'm thinkin' back to the days when it really was a bubble-field, and didn't work against attacks made from inside the field.


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