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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
Oh noes, Prodos is owed something they won’t get without resorting to legal action?

Welcome to the fething club.


*"Archon"

Didn't you see that they changed their name?


Sorry, I don’t always remember which shell company they are operating under. Hopefully this cripples them financially and sees them go under, fething scum that they are.

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 DaveC wrote:
It turns out Archon got stung with a tax bill in Poland for the stock they are sitting on for ND/SPM that they haven’t been paid for which has put them under some financial pressure as well so they are now pursuing ND/SPM because of this which is why this has come out now.


Karma 2x then?

I don't usually enjoy schadenfreude situations, because even in a case like this, "Archon" will just shed its skin again and rinse and repeat while some 'regular joe' employee of "Archon" will be out of work, maybe?

Still, yeah, hard to generate sympathy for "Archon" given how they screwed over backers and are, I think, still screwing some backers.

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






SoCal, USA!

We have an Update!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sodapopminiatures/super-dungeon-explore-legends/posts/2420163

Selected highlights:
"Soda Pop Miniatures" wrote: Breaking Radio Silence

February 18, 2019

Boise, ID.
Ninja Division Company Update

It broke our hearts to let the majority of our incredible staff go at the end of 2018. Ninja Division is currently staffed by its three owners (who are off salary) and a sales manager who continue to work towards the successful reorganization of Ninja Division and pursue Kickstarter fulfillment options.

With staff layoffs, we are unable to individually respond to all email and social media posts we receive, and our time is best spent pursuing all available options for the continuance of the brands we all love.

Ninja Division would like to request that backers from all of our outstanding projects direct your questions and inquiries to us. Our outside partners are not able to service refunds, returns, or ship your product.

Super Dungeon

the Super Dungeon Kickstarter project was restructured
This restructuring of the project increased development time, development costs, manufacturing costs, and future shipping costs.

Super Dungeon then suffered an additional delay in March 2017 when the lead designer for Super Dungeon developed health problems which cut work availability for over six months.

As of now, Super Dungeon is 95% complete and production ready, requiring only finalization and layout of the Legends core game.

Relic Knights

All sculpts, including non-Kickstarter Void Break units, are sculpted and ready for production with the exception of Relic Knight Zineda.

Starfinder Masterclass

To date, Ninja Division has manufactured and delivered over 28,000 miniatures to backers but has a great many more to complete. All sculpts are fully re-engineered and ready for production.

Way of the Fighter

Only models, which are not required for gameplay, are outstanding. Production of all non-Super Dungeon crossover miniatures is 50% complete. All remaining sculpts are complete and ready for production.

Financial Disclosure

The Cost Overrun chart below illustrates the revenue collected by Ninja Division through crowdsourced funding, the costs Ninja Division has spent to date, and the total costs required for completion of the entire project through to delivery.


Questions and Answers

Over the past months, we have received many questions and want to provide answers to the most common ones we hear that were not addressed above.

Q: Is Ninja Division bankrupt/out of business?

No. Ninja Division continues to operate and pursue all available avenues to continue all our brands and provide backers with their rewards.

Q: Will I receive my rewards?

We have not given up. Every day we work towards the goal of delivering backers rewards and the revitalization of the brands and products we have spent a decade creating.

Looking Ahead

Despite our current difficulties, Ninja Division continues to doggedly pursue any and all avenues we can to get products to backers and bring new products to market featuring the brands our customers love. To that end, we are currently working under consultation to reorganize Ninja Division in order to better position it for success and secure investment.

As we proceed with our reorganization we have had partners and fans with operational, business, and financial acumen help us tremendously. If you have a professional skill set and passion in those areas, we would encourage you to reach out as we are working across various stages of consultation to repair components of our operation. As a bicameral entity, our business has sometimes been separated from our creative skill sets, and this realization makes us not too proud to seek professional assistance to ensure a stable and positive growth into the future.

Once we have concrete information regarding the company, new production, and fulfillment we will post another update. We thank you for taking the time to read through this lengthy announcement, as well as your continued patience.

Go Ninja Go!


If you cut through it:
* SPM can't afford any staff; OTOH, they have no product to sell, so that doesn't matter.
* SPM decided to rework the SDE:L project with no concept of delivery or cost, just burning cash on hand
* ALL 4 KS projects are ready to produce, if they just had the ~$1.2M required to press the buttons, but...
* SPM doesn't even have the ~$50k required to complete WotF (minis production & delivery)!
* SPM/ND hasn't yet filed for bankruptcy, pretending a miracle will occur

If you just want the three key points:
* SPM is a "zombie" company
* SPM has ~$2.5M in liabilities
* SPM has <$50k cash on hand
They are functionally bankrupt because they cannot pay the bills that are due, and nobody is coming out to save them.

But don't worry, SPM is still working on getting you your rewards! Honest!


(note that none of this should be news to anyone, aside from the financial picture being clarified)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/02/18 20:28:07


   
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Orem, Utah

I can't help but think that this thread needs a little bit of an update.


- SPM have given/sold the Starfinder Minaitures contract to Archon (Prodos). Those are the guys who were slated to make the miniatures anyway, but remember that they said before that they had all of that product on hand, and were planning to destroy it if ND doesn't pay them.

Well, Archon has announced that they're planning on doing the whole line in plastic instead of resin. So if they ever actually had produced those minis in resin (which I seriously doubt) they threw them all away and decided to spend a lot more money on making plastic minis for backers.

Archon's plan is to produce Kickstarter miniatures alongside new sculpts for Starfinder and ship lots to backers every three release cycles or so. We'll see how that goes.


- SPM have been doing resin miniature releases, and say that they've paid off their debts to the domestic resin manufacturers that they work with. Their next goal is for their resin line of miniatures to pay for them to ship out the paper components for Relic Knights (that's cards and the mini rulebook). We haven't seen any of these show up yet.

- John Cadice has logged into the KS comments and promised some news soon, relating to Super Dungeon minis. Speculation among fans is that they're going to produce the Way of the Fighter miniatures (which include a number of minis for Super Dungeon). But that update hasn't materialized as of this writing, and is starting to seem a bit overdue.

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SoCal, USA!

Over a year passed, and zero updates to the thread.

Anyhow, I'm unsubscribing from this thread, as I got the bulk of my money back, and it looks like there's zero chance of SPM / ND ever producing and delivering the one set that I was actually interested in.


Good luck to you all, you're gonna need it.

   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

How did you get the bulk of your money back?

We Munch for Macragge! FOR THE EMPRUH! Cheesesticks and Humus!
 
   
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TCS Midway

 warboss wrote:
How did you get the bulk of your money back?


There was a refund window for a while. John and I snuck in just before that closed.

It was pretty clear it was going south, and both of us hopped out

On time, on target, or the next one's free

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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/474587.page

 
   
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You chose wisely!

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