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 dreadblade wrote:
I had a fun game against a combined 1,800 pt SW and AM list this week at my local gaming club. The AM detachment was a Spearhead tank Detachment of Leman Russes and a Manticore. The SW detachment was Bjorn, some Wulfen and a bunch of guys on wolves, including the Warlord. I was playing my usual Iconoclast list of a Desecrator, a Despoiler, two autocannon War Dogs and four thermal spear War Dogs. We played Retrieval Mission from the BRB.

I took endless torment, vow of dominance and the veil of medrengard to give the titanic knights some resilience against titan slayers and improve shooting across the board

Turn 1 I went first, walked forward onto the objectives on my half of the table, and split fire between the SW and AM.

Turn 2, with the SW advancing, I fell back and concentrated fire on them.

Turn 3 I walked forward onto the objectives again, firing on the AM.

Turn 4 I finished them off.

Turn 5 was just collecting VPs. The Manticore was spent but remained behind a building on the far side of the table that I couldn't get to. The final score was 57-32. I scored well on bring it down and attrition. Both titanic knights were still standing at the end, albeit on their final bracket. My only casualties were two war dogs.

My favourite moment was when the SW warlord was killed by overwatch from the Despoiler. Endless torment plus trail of destruction is brutal with an avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer


Thanks for the report !

Just a question: what do you think about the Desecrator compared to just taking another Despoiler in a War dog heavy list running Iconoclast ? Is the War dog aura easy to use on the Desy ? Does the Laser Destructor feel good to use ?

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DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Thanks for the report !

Just a question: what do you think about the Desecrator compared to just taking another Despoiler in a War dog heavy list running Iconoclast ? Is the War dog aura easy to use on the Desy ? Does the Laser Destructor feel good to use ?


The Laser Destructor is cool, and in this game I took Corrupted Heirlooms so I could take the Diamonas (flat 3 shots, S16, so damaging a Leman Russ on a 2+). The Thunderstrike Gauntlet can also be fun too if you can engage with a vehicle.

You only get to use the War Dog aura some of the time (due to positioning), but it's a nice bonus when you do.

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 dreadblade wrote:
DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Thanks for the report !

Just a question: what do you think about the Desecrator compared to just taking another Despoiler in a War dog heavy list running Iconoclast ? Is the War dog aura easy to use on the Desy ? Does the Laser Destructor feel good to use ?


The Laser Destructor is cool, and in this game I took Corrupted Heirlooms so I could take the Diamonas (flat 3 shots, S16, so damaging a Leman Russ on a 2+). The Thunderstrike Gauntlet can also be fun too if you can engage with a vehicle.

You only get to use the War Dog aura some of the time (due to positioning), but it's a nice bonus when you do.


Thanks !

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I am currently running 2x Magaera, 3x melee Wardogs with Meltaguns, and 4x Moirax with double Lightning Locks.

Would I be better off running them as House Khomentis or as a custom house? House Khomentis gives me access to the Warlord trait Dread Hunter, which lets me designate one weapon once per game and give it +1 Damage as well as full reroll hits and wounds. On a Magaera lightning cannon that's amazing. Otherwise it makes me much more resistant to bracketing by giving me +1 Attack and +1 to Hit in Melee when under half wounds. It also grants a 5+++ vs 'wounds in the psychic phase' Overall its pretty good!

The Custom Household would still be Infernal, but would feature Harrying Packs to allow my Armigers to fall back and shoot OR charge, and Infamous Heredity for a reroll one hit roll each time I'm chosen to shoot, fight, or overwatch. This would benefit my Moirax much more and even the War Dogs would benefit with their swingy melta weapons. I'm not sure if its worth giving up the punch from Dread Hunter though.
   
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bmsattler wrote:
I am currently running 2x Magaera, 3x melee Wardogs with Meltaguns, and 4x Moirax with double Lightning Locks.

Would I be better off running them as House Khomentis or as a custom house? House Khomentis gives me access to the Warlord trait Dread Hunter, which lets me designate one weapon once per game and give it +1 Damage as well as full reroll hits and wounds. On a Magaera lightning cannon that's amazing. Otherwise it makes me much more resistant to bracketing by giving me +1 Attack and +1 to Hit in Melee when under half wounds. It also grants a 5+++ vs 'wounds in the psychic phase' Overall its pretty good!

The Custom Household would still be Infernal, but would feature Harrying Packs to allow my Armigers to fall back and shoot OR charge, and Infamous Heredity for a reroll one hit roll each time I'm chosen to shoot, fight, or overwatch. This would benefit my Moirax much more and even the War Dogs would benefit with their swingy melta weapons. I'm not sure if its worth giving up the punch from Dread Hunter though.


I haven't played with the new OS Dogs and Titans, but isn't Harrying Packs better now that it allows us to potentially reposition our dogs to snatch objectives ?

Also, does Packs works with the Moirax ?

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The new primaries and tweaked secondaries seem to be a boost for a Chaos knights army (and knights in general). We have far less problems with killing stuff while people will tend to have a headache trying to kill knights.

Also, its a lot harder for lists to stuff like Retrieve data now. And take no prisoners now give more points, which is again a positive for us because we tend to take kill objectives. Also bring it down now gives more VP too.

I think with the kill secondaries buffed for us, and knights now quite able to take stranglehold secondary, so while we are still limited in the secondaries we can take, we at least won't start off at a massive disadvantage now in terms of secondaries. It used to be that there was literally no good third secondary pick. Now, its much better for us.
   
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The one area that is harder is that the mission secondaries are no longer available. We are pretty much forced to take a kill secondary, even against armies that don't give up many points for them.

Otherwise, I agree that our combination of speed and new holding ability helps with the mission.
   
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bmsattler wrote:
The one area that is harder is that the mission secondaries are no longer available. We are pretty much forced to take a kill secondary, even against armies that don't give up many points for them.

Otherwise, I agree that our combination of speed and new holding ability helps with the mission.


We were forced to take a kill secondary as our third secondary before this change anyway. But stuff like retrieve got harder, while the kill secondaries got easier (like give more points now). So, its an overall buff for us. I mean, short of a total skewed vehicle list, I think the average army could give a decent number of points for No Prisoners now.
   
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Eldenfirefly wrote:
bmsattler wrote:
The one area that is harder is that the mission secondaries are no longer available. We are pretty much forced to take a kill secondary, even against armies that don't give up many points for them.

Otherwise, I agree that our combination of speed and new holding ability helps with the mission.


We were forced to take a kill secondary as our third secondary before this change anyway. But stuff like retrieve got harder, while the kill secondaries got easier (like give more points now). So, its an overall buff for us. I mean, short of a total skewed vehicle list, I think the average army could give a decent number of points for No Prisoners now.


so what did you take as third if there wasn't good mission specific? As before it would be something+mission+kill. Now then something+kill+...umm what?

Plenty of mission specific ones were good ones(some even basically auto 15). Now you need another secondary for that.

No difference if you play scenario where secondary is crap. Problem if your secondary choices bad and scenario was one where secondary was good.

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pretty sure that is a Chaos Knight exhaust vent in the sneak peek article today. New kit coming?
   
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bmsattler wrote:
pretty sure that is a Chaos Knight exhaust vent in the sneak peek article today. New kit coming?


Was that also a Volkite loadout glimpse of the same model?


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I thought it looked more like parts from a forgefiend. oh well, those parts look similar. Both the vents and pipes could come from a chaos knight or a forgefiend. And the weapon could be from a forgefiend or maybe a new weapon for a new chaos knight.
   
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 dreadblade wrote:
bmsattler wrote:
pretty sure that is a Chaos Knight exhaust vent in the sneak peek article today. New kit coming?


Was that also a Volkite loadout glimpse of the same model?




Wasn't the new chaos Knight from the Big LeakTM rumoured to be War Dog/Armiger sized ? Those shoulder pads looked Rampager/Desecrator sized.

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I think I'm going with the rumour of a despoiler upgrade sprue for the existing Desecrator/Rampager kit, as well as a new War Dog model.

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 dreadblade wrote:
I think I'm going with the rumour of a despoiler upgrade sprue for the existing Desecrator/Rampager kit, as well as a new War Dog model.


Makes sense since they basically all have the same chassis anyway.

But it'd still be somewhat disappointing you know ? I really wanted it to be some kind of a mid range War dog.

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I'll be moderately disappointed if this is not a new datasheet but instead a Chaos sculpt of a Styrix.
   
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bmsattler wrote:
I'll be moderately disappointed if this is not a new datasheet but instead a Chaos sculpt of a Styrix.


The Volkite is more likely a Chaos sculpt of a Moirax. The shoulder armour and exhaust stacks earlier in the video are the existing Desecrator/Rampager type.

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 dreadblade wrote:
bmsattler wrote:
I'll be moderately disappointed if this is not a new datasheet but instead a Chaos sculpt of a Styrix.


The Volkite is more likely a Chaos sculpt of a Moirax. The shoulder armour and exhaust stacks earlier in the video are the existing Desecrator/Rampager type.


Isn't the Moirax closer in size to the Desecrator/Rampager ? The Moirax is the War Dog type.

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We're saying it's two different models in the video - a new Desecrator/Rampager type (possibly just a Despoiler upgrade sprue) and a new War Dog type with Volkite (like a Moirax).

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 dreadblade wrote:
We're saying it's two different models in the video - a new Desecrator/Rampager type (possibly just a Despoiler upgrade sprue) and a new War Dog type with Volkite (like a Moirax).


Ooooh ! Okay ! That would be so cool !

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