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 Eonfuzz wrote:

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
Y’all ease up on xeno. He publicly admitted he was wrong and that’s more than most are willing to do.

This is going to be ugly though if this keeps up. I’m pretty much living in fear of the Iron hands supplement and I’m going to bring out the old metal dreadnought for any Imperial Fist forces.

Totally depends if any other Codex gets the Mehroyn treatment. Which I doubt. Aren't the next two releases Dark Angels and Blood Angels?

no one knows, the next relase of any SUBSTANCE is gonna be sisters of battle.

Martel732 wrote:
To be fair, i expected a csm type codex, but as soon as the tactics leaked., i knew i was wrong.

To be fair, you'd probably expect the worst of most things in relation to marines because everyone is better than them.

No, they've had good releases in the past. GW just literally had released a chaos marine 2.0 codex without changing much.

Vanilla has had a lot more high points since 5th than BA have.

AngryAngel80 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
To be fair, i expected a csm type codex, but as soon as the tactics leaked., i knew i was wrong.

To be fair, you'd probably expect the worst of most things in relation to marines because everyone is better than them.

not gonna lie I was expecting a CSM 2.0 style codex too. I was pleasently suprised to say the least

It was a good surprise to be sure. It gives us all, but for chaos marine players, a chance to rejoice and feel like we may see good 2.0 codex drops.

and gives CSM players a reason to be seriously salty if thats the case. it's 6th/7th ed all over again for them if true

BrianDavion wrote:
and gives CSM players a reason to be seriously salty if thats the case. it's 6th/7th ed all over again for them if true

It's ok, the bitterness really helps you forge that narrative

What vanilla had to do to really compete in 7th was pretty absurd. Do you know how many white rhinos there were at half price books after 8th dropped? Sheesh. Marines really haven't been truly solid in quite a while. But this book is pretty nasty.

Chaos has been salty since they lost the 3.5 codex. I doubt the trend will break soon, this most current action assures it.

Dual lash princes were brutal in 5th, but monotonous for sure. And it had to compete with the Grey Cheese.

Yes but even dual lash didn't take away the salt, I was there, I still remember the posts.

Well, yes. I can sympathize, as Capt Smash has gotten very monotonous as well. It was hard to play that codex in the same edition as GK, SW, BA, and IG having obnoxious lists.

SM Had Draigo + Tigurius/Loth and Grav Cents in 7th, so

Yeah, but it all paled compared to White Scar gladius. Just absurd.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Chaos has been salty since they lost the 3.5 codex. I doubt the trend will break soon, this most current action assures it.

And as I keep saying, it's because the CSM is written as Spiky Marines instead of Legion Marines, which needs to be the focus. Everyone needs Vet stats minimum, first and foremost, and make Chosen the core Troop choice rather than the damn Chaos Marine entry that shouldn't exist.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Chaos has been salty since they lost the 3.5 codex. I doubt the trend will break soon, this most current action assures it.

And as I keep saying, it's because the CSM is written as Spiky Marines instead of Legion Marines, which needs to be the focus. Everyone needs Vet stats minimum, first and foremost, and make Chosen the core Troop choice rather than the damn Chaos Marine entry that shouldn't exist.

except that the vast majority of warbands, even legion warbands aren't made up of super experianced heresy era marines with thousands of years of experiance under their belt

Next realease should be the remainining codex compliant chapters. Probably every 2 weeks. Then I would expect sisters and possibly dark angels. At which point I wouldn't be surprised if the lion wakes up.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
hate to break it to you. He is actually buffed as a fighter. Hit him with MOH and he goes to str 9 with the sword which will wound on 3's and he still rerolls 1. The power of the sword though is rolling 6's to wound. D3 mortals each time. So additional attacks really make his beastly. Now that he can fight twice for 3 cp...he going to kill twice as much and maybe more because of other +1 attack abilities. I am having fun not including him in lists right now but holy crap. 20 Gman attacks isn't even fair dude.

JFC! Almost like all that wailing and gnashing of teeth and crying about your nerfed primarch for who knows how many pages was completely baseless! I really wish this would teach you some self awareness but I'm not exactly holding my breath here.

Relax dude. This whole time I admitted there could be more in the codex which could change things. I basically was saying it wasn't looking too good because all the good previous combos were nerfed. Turns out we got some even better combos possibly. I admit I was wrong but I always said I could be wrong.


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Martel732 wrote:
I didn't even know these strats and it looked like a massive improvement. Just gravis having 3 W would have changed a few games for me with BA.

There is also a stratagem you can use in the SM codex to count as stationary for 1 cp on an infantry unit. Which even you as a BA player can use per the page 8 BRB FAQ. So Ultras don't have a monopoly on aggressors ether.

No. Dont gas light.

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Chaos has been salty since they lost the 3.5 codex. I doubt the trend will break soon, this most current action assures it.

And as I keep saying, it's because the CSM is written as Spiky Marines instead of Legion Marines, which needs to be the focus. Everyone needs Vet stats minimum, first and foremost, and make Chosen the core Troop choice rather than the damn Chaos Marine entry that shouldn't exist.

except that the vast majority of warbands, even legion warbands aren't made up of super experianced heresy era marines with thousands of years of experiance under their belt

Depends on the source.
I'd say from Traitor Legions on up until now CSM had nothing to complain and I didn't see much complaining in that time. With the update now it's hard to not feel a little jealous, but our models still look better and we'll do just fine.

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Chaos has been salty since they lost the 3.5 codex. I doubt the trend will break soon, this most current action assures it.

And as I keep saying, it's because the CSM is written as Spiky Marines instead of Legion Marines, which needs to be the focus. Everyone needs Vet stats minimum, first and foremost, and make Chosen the core Troop choice rather than the damn Chaos Marine entry that shouldn't exist.

except that the vast majority of warbands, even legion warbands aren't made up of super experianced heresy era marines with thousands of years of experiance under their belt

See, you need to abandon the whole "warband" mindset that's used for those from the non Legions. They need to be handled in the main Vanilla codex, full stop. There's no reason a Renegade Chapter can suddenly get access to that many Daemon Engines and Autocannons or lose their Apothecaries...
No. Page dedicated to how to switch keywords, which isn't terribly hard.

The core of the Legion forces IS The Veterans Of The Long War. They used to be near the equivalent of having Vet stats in the first place, whether it be by having A2 or an extra combat weapon. What HAPPENED is GW trying to make the codex represent everything, even though there are actual consistency issues I listed. Now we're stuck with The Purge not acting like Death Guard, even though they're from the fething Death Guard in the first place.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Assault Marines w/ Jump Packs stayed the same price, 15 a pop. With the Born in the Saddle Strategem, there's a strong case for bikes. All they lose is fly, but for 8 more points you get an extra wound, an extra toughness, RF2 bolters instead of pistols (and if you are WS or UM why do you want pistols?), a bit more movement and access to more special weapons (Plasma Guns, hooo)

Because Pistols and the WS version of Scions loves the Assault Doctrine? I think. That said I also think I'd prefer the bike and a chainsword to the bike and a pistol even in Assault Doctrine.


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The Newman wrote:


Confirmed that the Hunter/Stalker strat just specifies models with Fly, but it's +1 to hit, +1 to wound, and double damage. That's kind of silly for a single cp.

Only double damage on a specific unmodified wound roll. I wouldn't use it on a Hunter, but on a Stalker with two Icarus Storm Cannons it starts looking pretty nasty.

If you want a silly Stratagem, try checking out the Hunter-Slayer strat replacement for Hunter Killer missiles on Repulsors. While turning the Hunter Killer into a Strat instead of a points cost is nice for those Once Per Game things, having to fire it with your opponent model's Ballistic Skill is a little silly. I'm not entirely sure why it's more likely to hit Mortarion than a slightly damaged Warlord Titan.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Chaos has been salty since they lost the 3.5 codex. I doubt the trend will break soon, this most current action assures it.

And as I keep saying, it's because the CSM is written as Spiky Marines instead of Legion Marines, which needs to be the focus. Everyone needs Vet stats minimum, first and foremost, and make Chosen the core Troop choice rather than the damn Chaos Marine entry that shouldn't exist.

except that the vast majority of warbands, even legion warbands aren't made up of super experianced heresy era marines with thousands of years of experiance under their belt

See, you need to abandon the whole "warband" mindset that's used for those from the non Legions. They need to be handled in the main Vanilla codex, full stop. There's no reason a Renegade Chapter can suddenly get access to that many Daemon Engines and Autocannons or lose their Apothecaries...
No. Page dedicated to how to switch keywords, which isn't terribly hard.

The core of the Legion forces IS The Veterans Of The Long War. They used to be near the equivalent of having Vet stats in the first place, whether it be by having A2 or an extra combat weapon. What HAPPENED is GW trying to make the codex represent everything, even though there are actual consistency issues I listed. Now we're stuck with The Purge not acting like Death Guard, even though they're from the fething Death Guard in the first place.

ohh don't get me wrong IMHO CSMs NEED to get their chainsword AND Boltgun back. I agree 100% with that.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Next realease should be the remainining codex compliant chapters. Probably every 2 weeks. Then I would expect sisters and possibly dark angels. At which point I wouldn't be surprised if the lion wakes up.

Please... No...

I mean I'd stoked for Sisters to get their line but for the love of whatever deity you pick can Xeno get a decent release? I'm coming to peace with my Resin/Metal aspect warriors and phoenix lord but I'm beyond burnt out on loyalist (and yes Im salty from my CSM codex 2.0 being a bit of a wash out)

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Next realease should be the remainining codex compliant chapters. Probably every 2 weeks. Then I would expect sisters and possibly dark angels. At which point I wouldn't be surprised if the lion wakes up.

Please... No...

I mean I'd stoked for Sisters to get their line but for the love of whatever deity you pick can Xeno get a decent release? I'm coming to peace with my Resin/Metal aspect warriors and phoenix lord but I'm beyond burnt out on loyalist (and yes Im salty from my CSM codex 2.0 being a bit of a wash out)

The prediction is based on whats already been announced. They didn't come out and say 6 supplements, but the picture was UM, WS, and 4 redacted. So far we've only gotten a couple characters, the Warsuit and Tiggy on model releases, still no Impulsors, Incursors, the new Phobos units etc. The Warsuit and Shadowspear characters are only on Pre-Order now. We've got several weeks of rollouts. If we're LUCKY the next two Supplements go on Pre-order next week, MAYBE with a new sculpt of that codex's characters, and HOPEFULLY with one more toy from the already announced pipeline. More likely it's just a supplement, some themed dice, and MAYBE a new sculpt and/or a Primaris'ed character. We could be looking at 2 months just to get the new supplements and boxes out. 4 books left, one every other week is 8 weeks. That gets us into October, and we already heard Sisters were coming this year. Not a whole lot of "this year" left in October.

I don't think sisters will be this year at all. This psychic Awakening is this fall so it depends on how big this release will be but they also haven't told up it'd be this year iirc. I'm guessing they'll be a February at the earliest

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
and gives CSM players a reason to be seriously salty if thats the case. it's 6th/7th ed all over again for them if true

It's ok, the bitterness really helps you forge that narrative

After i looked at your pic, yes, checks out i guess




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 fraser1191 wrote:
I don't think sisters will be this year at all. This psychic Awakening is this fall so it depends on how big this release will be but they also haven't told up it'd be this year iirc. I'm guessing they'll be a February at the earliest

Sisters were allready set this year no?



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Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Next realease should be the remainining codex compliant chapters. Probably every 2 weeks. Then I would expect sisters and possibly dark angels. At which point I wouldn't be surprised if the lion wakes up.

Please... No...

I mean I'd stoked for Sisters to get their line but for the love of whatever deity you pick can Xeno get a decent release? I'm coming to peace with my Resin/Metal aspect warriors and phoenix lord but I'm beyond burnt out on loyalist (and yes Im salty from my CSM codex 2.0 being a bit of a wash out)

TBF most xenos don't need an rules update, what they need is some serious model support.
I mean i can go drinking with most of the aspect line, as could i with the old csm set.

I’m so keen to see how BA are updated. Would really love for their doctrine to work as stages of the Red Thirst.

Or even if there were negatives but the effects were cumulative. Like the first stage just gives you the chapter tactic of +1 to wound on the charge. Then the second stage gives you that +re-roll charges but you can’t retreat from combat. Then the third gives you an additional +1 attack, -1AP in melee and +1dmg, but you have to shoot and/or charge the closest enemy unit (and can’t retreat still). That kind of thing but obviously balanced right haha.
Or just bonuses... obviously that’s be sweet too.

Talking about chaos I think the Troops options for CSM should be

Legion Marines

Renegade Marines

Chaos Cuultists

And key into those rules. Basically Legion marines are the Chosen datasheet. They could also use some quality buffs.

SM + Primaris = the hot stuff right now

CSM + Chaos = the hot stuff should be.

I personally do hate the design behind the whole warbands of chaos design the infamous writer did.

Chaos should be more closer to what the Horus Hersey books where like on a power level kind of thing with "flavour" added for the corruption of chaos.

Marines SHOULD be scared of Chaos Armies. Rather than view them as a minor speed bumb or "spikey/edgy marines"

ThatMG wrote:
Talking about chaos I think the Troops options for CSM should be

Legion Marines

Renegade Marines

Chaos Cuultists

And key into those rules. Basically Legion marines are the Chosen datasheet. They could also use some quality buffs.

SM + Primaris = the hot stuff right now

CSM + Chaos = the hot stuff should be.

I personally do hate the design behind the whole warbands of chaos design the infamous writer did.

Chaos should be more closer to what the Horus Hersey books where like on a power level kind of thing with "flavour" added for the corruption of chaos.

Marines SHOULD be scared of Chaos Armies. Rather than view them as a minor speed bumb or "spikey/edgy marines"

Scratch the cultists.
They should be in a lost and damned /R&H dex.
Instead go for specific auxilia for certain legions.
(cannonfodder for IW, Infiltrators for AL, Crusaders for WB.etc)

codex lost and the damned is something 40k really could use.