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 Compel wrote:

But... I'm still a bit worried that there's too many spinning plates, even with likely many things being laid down just as references for the future.


Nah, the plates are all spinning on the same stick right now. Flagsmashers attack, Sam believes he can talk them down peacefully, Walker thinks killing them is the only option. Bucky completes his sidequest. That's pretty much it. Plenty of time to resolve it.


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So has it been explicitly said somewhere that Steve died? They keep talking about him in the past tense but afaik he was alive at the end of Endgame. Did he live Just long enough to pass off the shield back in the present and then croak once the cameras stopped rolling?


They say he's "gone" and avoid explicitly saying he died very intentionally to leave the door open in case they decide they want to use the character again.

It's a little odd here as the stuff they're talking about is more life advise stuff that your retired grandpa would LOVE it if you'd call to talk over, so him just being old doesn't really cover his lack of availability.

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trexmeyer wrote:Oh, and he can't bother shaving ever apparently. Has he been clean shaven once?

Nope. That's how you know he's bad.
Walker- and specifically the way they're writing Walker (and his backstory) is the major weak point of this show.

Everything else is pretty much aces, however.
Though... the training montage feels like its going to be undercut by a magic tech suit.

But this was a great downtime episode.

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And it's the best episode, by miles. Well done, MCU, well done.

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Though... the training montage feels like its going to be undercut by a magic tech suit.
I'm sure it'll have goggles or a helmet that magically vanish every time Sam has to deliver dialogue.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Voss wrote:
Though... the training montage feels like its going to be undercut by a magic tech suit.
I'm sure it'll have goggles or a helmet that magically vanish every time Sam has to deliver dialogue.


That's the 'best' part of the magic.

But really, Iron Panther-Falcon America is just common-sense reorganization and streamlining of Avengers Incorporated. How many heroes do you really need, especially when so many are dependent on fancy suits or shiny toys? Got to bring those payroll and app subscription costs down somehow. The Stark estate isn't going to pay for all this forever!

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I’m not expecting much magic tech at all. I don’t imagine it’ll be that much different from the previous, except now much more durable vibranium construction and painted red, white, and blue.

 
   
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I won't post a pic for those who don't want to know, but the action figure of Sam in his new suit leaked/previewed back in March, so it's there for the googling if any one is curious.

Agree the best episode yet. I particularly enjoyed some of the cinematography in the opening 3 way fight. The shot with Walker on his knees and the one where Bucky walks away framed by the light were stand outs.

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I liked the montages. Sam has obviously put enormous time and effort into learning to fight with his wings against super beings. Makes sense to essentially reset some muscle memory with the shield.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I liked Zemo's arc in this, and where it ended. I was surprised where he ended up, but hey, that's just giving him time to come back, right? Maybe not in this, but certainly elsewhere. Maybe we'll get an end credits scene where he assembles a group of his own.


Indeed, the fact that the Wakandans didn't just stick a spear in him seems a quite obvious open door to bring him back somewhere later on.




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I liked the montages. Sam has obviously put enormous time and effort into learning to fight with his wings against super beings. Makes sense to essentially reset some muscle memory with the shield.

I think watching the way Sam uses his wings and jetpack in fights is about my favourite part of the series.

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It was also pretty satisfying in terms of episode length.

They took the time for each scene to tell its own part of the tale. Nothing felt stretched or compressed, and nothing outstayed its welcome.

And much like WandaVision, we’re still left with a fair amount of guesswork as to how the final episode might go. Yes it’s fairly informed guesswork, but nothing feels to me like a foregone conclusion.

And I’m definitely wondering if Karli’s serum might be temporary in effect. We know the bloke behind it used Isaiah’s blood sample to create it, and then, in his own words “perfected it”.

Will Walker continue to go off the deep end? Will Karli survive? Will Sam bring Isaiah’s treatment at the hands of his own government to light?

I suspect Walker won’t end up dead, as given who he’s just met it seems we might be on for an anti-Avengers type thing.

Karli? Maybe we might see a redemption arc.

I can’t see Sam just leaving Isaiah’s tale in the darkness. It’s not the morally right thing for him to do.

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It was a good length episode. I was expecting the end credits to roll a bit earlier but the story kept going!

I think Walker is setting himself up for a big disappointment. What's his shield made out of. Steel. Concentric circles of it. It's going to fall apart as soon as it gets involved in super-level violence. But then a broken shield for a broken hero is apt.

Redemption for Karli? I hope not. Full room and board at the Raft. Unless the big finale is a suicide run, as the Flagsmashers decide to publicly blow themselves up along with their targets of hate as a fanatical gesture.

And come on Karli - your planning your big number in New York? Spider-man can wrap up your little bunch of 'super' thugs (plus Batroc) all by himself.... not that expecting another hero to swoop in and undercut Sam and Bucky's story.

We still don't know about the 'evil corporation/multi-govermental agency' that's seems to be acting all sinister - what (and how) do they actually do?.

Is Sharon the Power Broker? Or is that a narrative feint - and she's actually a sympathizer with contacts who helped the FS steal from the Power Broker?

Can't wait! But I also like the weekly release. If this was 'instant binge' it'd be over by now. And boo to that.


   
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Evil corporation thing is seemingly an international effort to put things back to how they were pre-blip.

I was wondering that whilst I was bingeing it last night, and the explanation was kinda easy to miss.

In short, snap caused massive labour shortages, plentiful housing etc. With no sign of it being undone, the world fundamentally changed. Borders were opened, jobs were plentiful.

Then....un-blipped. So the GRC is about trying to help people back to the houses and that they lost whilst dusted, and getting those who’d taken up residence back from wherever they came from.

However, I’m yet to see them being shown as using nasty, underhanded tactics. I get why Karli and Co want things left as they were (they directly benefitted, and had a level of freedom never before known), but also why the GRC exists.

Maybe we’ll see more in the finale - or they’ll save it for the second season (because this is a show which can do multiple seasons)

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I think Walker might be getting set up for a planned version of the Thunderbolts. - Basically, Marvel's answer to DC's Suicide Squad.

There's been various rumours circulating about it, bringing back Tim Roth / Abomination from The Incredible Hulk and Ghost from Ant-Man 2.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Evil corporation thing is seemingly an international effort to put things back to how they were pre-blip.

I was wondering that whilst I was bingeing it last night, and the explanation was kinda easy to miss.

In short, snap caused massive labour shortages, plentiful housing etc. With no sign of it being undone, the world fundamentally changed. Borders were opened, jobs were plentiful.

Then....un-blipped. So the GRC is about trying to help people back to the houses and that they lost whilst dusted, and getting those who’d taken up residence back from wherever they came from.

However, I’m yet to see them being shown as using nasty, underhanded tactics. I get why Karli and Co want things left as they were (they directly benefitted, and had a level of freedom never before known), but also why the GRC exists.

Maybe we’ll see more in the finale - or they’ll save it for the second season (because this is a show which can do multiple seasons)

Well, I mean, on that GRC meeting you have evil US senator saying the following lines:

EUSS -"Look, the right people will go along with this, they always do"
Other-"You have to consider the optins of the situation"
EUSS -"No, the optics are whatever we show them"

EUSS -"There are troops in place. I can make a call and have the refugees move now"
Other -"We're not rounding them up like cattle"
Other other - "And we still do not have sufficient resources in the esettlement camps"
EUSS -"What's sufficient? They can't stay where they are forever"

So it at least seems pretty clear that they are basically rounding up people from their current homes, that they don't seem to want to abandon and forcibly moving them to resettlement camps, where they admit they don't have enough resources for them.

So... yeah. We've seen this done already, and it always end about as well as you could expect. Although, of course, not at this scale.

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The GRC side of things is definitely the weak spot so far in an otherwise great series. I kind of understand that going through the blip and coming out of it would introduce a lot of social and economic problems but I think the show needed to do a better job of explaining exactly what the problems are.

At the moment we have an international agency with bad adverts and some sort of sweeping cross-border powers up against a group of people who, as far as I can tell, made out really well from the 5 years of the blip and are now bitter that half the world's population are alive again. I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, and there could be some interesting storylines using the blip and the return but I'm finding it hard to sympathise with the Flagsmahers at the start because their motivations, or at least their reasoning, were poorly specified. Now there's no sympathy once they start blowing up buildings and people.

Looking forward to the finale. With the various story threads going on I think it's very unlikely we wrap everything up by the end of the finale and I'll be interested to see which elements they leave open for future series.
   
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Albertorious wrote:
Well, I mean, on that GRC meeting you have evil US senator saying the following lines:

EUSS -"Look, the right people will go along with this, they always do"
Other-"You have to consider the optins of the situation"
EUSS -"No, the optics are whatever we show them"

EUSS -"There are troops in place. I can make a call and have the refugees move now"
Other -"We're not rounding them up like cattle"
Other other - "And we still do not have sufficient resources in the esettlement camps"
EUSS -"What's sufficient? They can't stay where they are forever"

So it at least seems pretty clear that they are basically rounding up people from their current homes, that they don't seem to want to abandon and forcibly moving them to resettlement camps, where they admit they don't have enough resources for them.

So... yeah. We've seen this done already, and it always end about as well as you could expect. Although, of course, not at this scale.


I mean....kinda? What that scene showed me was less “ooooh, we are evil!” and more “this is a logistical nightmare. A huge percentage of the world’s population is affected. And in the five years since something utterly unprecedented and unpredictable happened, we’ve not had to maintain the infrastructure we previously had, because who could’ve known also those dusted would return”.

These things go slowly. And depending on who is who in those who weren’t blipped away? There is going to be resistance to going back to how it was done. And for those who are happy to return to normal, there will still be long old delays.

This is all on...

A) Thor, for not going for the head.
B) Tony, for not unblipping the entire situation because he had got what he wanted out of it.

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Once again, Tony Stark directly or indirectly, due to his shortsightedness as to the consequences of his own actions creates another villain.


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And we have the first trailer for Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Possibly with Actual The Mandarin! And not Trevor Slattery.



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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Albertorious wrote:
Well, I mean, on that GRC meeting you have evil US senator saying the following lines:

EUSS -"Look, the right people will go along with this, they always do"
Other-"You have to consider the optins of the situation"
EUSS -"No, the optics are whatever we show them"

EUSS -"There are troops in place. I can make a call and have the refugees move now"
Other -"We're not rounding them up like cattle"
Other other - "And we still do not have sufficient resources in the esettlement camps"
EUSS -"What's sufficient? They can't stay where they are forever"

So it at least seems pretty clear that they are basically rounding up people from their current homes, that they don't seem to want to abandon and forcibly moving them to resettlement camps, where they admit they don't have enough resources for them.

So... yeah. We've seen this done already, and it always end about as well as you could expect. Although, of course, not at this scale.


I mean....kinda? What that scene showed me was less “ooooh, we are evil!” and more “this is a logistical nightmare. A huge percentage of the world’s population is affected. And in the five years since something utterly unprecedented and unpredictable happened, we’ve not had to maintain the infrastructure we previously had, because who could’ve known also those dusted would return”.

These things go slowly. And depending on who is who in those who weren’t blipped away? There is going to be resistance to going back to how it was done. And for those who are happy to return to normal, there will still be long old delays.

This is all on...

A) Thor, for not going for the head.
B) Tony, for not unblipping the entire situation because he had got what he wanted out of it.

What I find interesting is that, instead of trying to do something to make the situation workable as it is post-blip, they just double down on trying to get back to the pre-blip statu-quo, in a world that is very, very much not the same. No wonder that works like it does.

You say that "there is going to be resistance to going back to how it was done". I say "yeah, no gak". Particularly when to try to forcibly move people away from the places where they have found stability to some place that is mostly an unknown, by this point, and without the proper resources.

We did something similar here in Spain, back in 1492 with the jews, and it was horrible (even today we're still making some measure of reparations for that). Something similar was done too on Israel with the palestinian people, back in 1948.
   
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I see where you’re coming from, but let me flip it this way.

Let’s say Person A benefitted from anti-Semitic pogroms. They ended up with a better house, greater employment opportunities, and just overall resultant better standard of living,

Person B was amongst the targets of the anti-Semitic pogroms. But rather than being murdered, they were forcibly removed to Somewhere Else. And it’s their house Person A now occupies.

Five years later? The pogrom is entirely undone. Person B is free to return to their home....and Person A likewise has to go back to their previous dwelling.

That’s what we’re seeing post-blip. What the world became doesn’t matter anymore, because the population just doubled. People want their old lives back, and it’s hard to say they shouldn’t get that. By definition, they had no say in the blip, or what came after.

So yeah, the hypothetical Persons A and B can be entirely innocent of any wrongdoing. But for Person A to now refuse to let Person B back about their life is....morally dubious.

I for one do have sympathy for Karli and her crew. But, no sympathy or even empathy for their methods. It’s not nice to have something good taken away from you, ever. It can break your heart, drive you into the deepest of depressions, especially when it’s not as the result of your own actions. But that’s still no excuse to start murdering people.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I see where you’re coming from, but let me flip it this way.

Let’s say Person A benefitted from anti-Semitic pogroms. They ended up with a better house, greater employment opportunities, and just overall resultant better standard of living,

Person B was amongst the targets of the anti-Semitic pogroms. But rather than being murdered, they were forcibly removed to Somewhere Else. And it’s their house Person A now occupies.

Five years later? The pogrom is entirely undone. Person B is free to return to their home....and Person A likewise has to go back to their previous dwelling.

That’s what we’re seeing post-blip. What the world became doesn’t matter anymore, because the population just doubled. People want their old lives back, and it’s hard to say they shouldn’t get that. By definition, they had no say in the blip, or what came after.

So yeah, the hypothetical Persons A and B can be entirely innocent of any wrongdoing. But for Person A to now refuse to let Person B back about their life is....morally dubious.

I for one do have sympathy for Karli and her crew. But, no sympathy or even empathy for their methods. It’s not nice to have something good taken away from you, ever. It can break your heart, drive you into the deepest of depressions, especially when it’s not as the result of your own actions. But that’s still no excuse to start murdering people.

I get that too, but that's not really the situation shown here, as that's not what the blip did. It is arguably worse, tbh, as for the blipped, time just... stopped.

And it is a gakky situation, that's for sure, but just the same way as what the world became doesn't matter anymore... what the world was doesn't matter anymore, either, and that seems to be the end plan here. What it matters is how are things now and how can they be fixed, and just going all over again with relocation and reestablishment of old borders... is not, and does not fix things, as is ostensibly shown. Two wrongs don't make a right, after all.

Person A refusing to let Person B back about their life is morally dubious, just as much as is Person B letting Person A be "resettled" against their will so that they can get back with their lives. I don't feel that any of the two positions have any high moral ground, there.

I don't have any simpathy for murderers either, so the bombing pretty much put a stop to it... but I understand where they're coming from.

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I cant say Tony is to blame. There was five years of people living their life, having a family, forming connections, getting on with their live.
Its not fair to them completly undo that.
Beinginf everyone back from the snap was the most fair thing.

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OTOH, I love that it has consequences, and a weight on the world, and that they're trying to do world building off of it instead of simply forgetting it or waving it away.
   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I cant say Tony is to blame. There was five years of people living their life, having a family, forming connections, getting on with their live.
Its not fair to them completly undo that.
Beinginf everyone back from the snap was the most fair thing.


Ah, but you could snap the last five years out of history entirely...

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Thats kinda the whole point im making, to people who found love, had kids moved on, you are taking that away from them

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 Compel wrote:
It's basically going on right now in Cyprus and the north of Turkey.


Indeed it is, and it's a gak deal.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I cant say Tony is to blame. There was five years of people living their life, having a family, forming connections, getting on with their live.
Its not fair to them completly undo that.
Beinginf everyone back from the snap was the most fair thing.


Ah, but you could snap the last five years out of history entirely...


Maybe he could have, but it feels like any wish he'd done to the monkey's paw would have been found a way to be corrupted.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Albertorious wrote:
Well, I mean, on that GRC meeting you have evil US senator saying the following lines:

EUSS -"Look, the right people will go along with this, they always do"
Other-"You have to consider the optins of the situation"
EUSS -"No, the optics are whatever we show them"

EUSS -"There are troops in place. I can make a call and have the refugees move now"
Other -"We're not rounding them up like cattle"
Other other - "And we still do not have sufficient resources in the esettlement camps"
EUSS -"What's sufficient? They can't stay where they are forever"

So it at least seems pretty clear that they are basically rounding up people from their current homes, that they don't seem to want to abandon and forcibly moving them to resettlement camps, where they admit they don't have enough resources for them.

So... yeah. We've seen this done already, and it always end about as well as you could expect. Although, of course, not at this scale.


I mean....kinda? What that scene showed me was less “ooooh, we are evil!” and more “this is a logistical nightmare. A huge percentage of the world’s population is affected. And in the five years since something utterly unprecedented and unpredictable happened, we’ve not had to maintain the infrastructure we previously had, because who could’ve known also those dusted would return”.

These things go slowly. And depending on who is who in those who weren’t blipped away? There is going to be resistance to going back to how it was done. And for those who are happy to return to normal, there will still be long old delays.

This is all on...

A) Thor, for not going for the head.
B) Tony, for not unblipping the entire situation because he had got what he wanted out of it.

What I find interesting is that, instead of trying to do something to make the situation workable as it is post-blip, they just double down on trying to get back to the pre-blip statu-quo, in a world that is very, very much not the same. No wonder that works like it does.

You say that "there is going to be resistance to going back to how it was done". I say "yeah, no gak". Particularly when to try to forcibly move people away from the places where they have found stability to some place that is mostly an unknown, by this point, and without the proper resources.

We did something similar here in Spain, back in 1492 with the jews, and it was horrible (even today we're still making some measure of reparations for that). Something similar was done too on Israel with the palestinian people, back in 1948.


Well you have to remember. 1/2 of all people didn't experience anything over the last 5 years. One moment there. One moment back. Of course they are just trying to return to the way things were. They don't know anything else.


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