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Dragons obviously need magic to fly, there's no way they could possibly generate the necessary force to keep themselves in the air just based on natural physics. So if they're able to magically keep their own fat bodies in the air, presumably they can also use that magic to keep themselves from getting shoulder cramps from the fat dude sitting on them.

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Since we know the next battletome after these two is October I bet that the battletomes will be up for pre-order on the 28th and we'll see a wave of releases that last all of sept.

Looking at what we know is coming the release is gonna be huge.


Stormcast:
-Bastian Carlothos
-Knight Reliquator
-Vanquishers
- Knight Judicator with Gryph Hounds
-stormstrike Chariot
- Vigilators
- Annialators
- The Dragon Princes (almost garenteed to be a dual kit)
- Knight Draconious


Kruleboyz
- Snatchaboss/special char dual pack
- Vulture Rider
- Breakaboss on troggoth
-Marshcrawler
-Gutrippers
-Manskewer Bolt boys


and I'm sure there are some missed stuff, it's also LIKELY that vigilators will be coming out as a kit but not confirmed. (on the other hand it would be just like GW to make the spear battleline infantry for an army starter kit only in an edition where spears are so important)

So yeah that's a huuuge release. assuming 3-4 models per week. that's easily a months worth of releases...
I'm suddenly glad my birthday is in september

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That's certainly why the release schedule has been "light" recently. They must prepare themselves for the big ones.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
Since we know the next battletome after these two is October I bet that the battletomes will be up for pre-order on the 28th and we'll see a wave of releases that last all of sept.

Looking at what we know is coming the release is gonna be huge.


Stormcast:
-Bastian Carlothos
-Knight Reliquator
-Vanquishers
- Knight Judicator with Gryph Hounds
-stormstrike Chariot
- Vigilators
- Annialators
- The Dragon Princes (almost garenteed to be a dual kit)
- Knight Draconious


Kruleboyz
- Snatchaboss/special char dual pack
- Vulture Rider
- Breakaboss on troggoth
-Marshcrawler
-Gutrippers
-Manskewer Bolt boys


and I'm sure there are some missed stuff, it's also LIKELY that vigilators will be coming out as a kit but not confirmed. (on the other hand it would be just like GW to make the spear battleline infantry for an army starter kit only in an edition where spears are so important)

So yeah that's a huuuge release. assuming 3-4 models per week. that's easily a months worth of releases...
I'm suddenly glad my birthday is in september


I hope there is one more set of reveals for my Boyz. That's a lot more stormcast models than it is orks...
   
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Togusa wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Since we know the next battletome after these two is October I bet that the battletomes will be up for pre-order on the 28th and we'll see a wave of releases that last all of sept.

Looking at what we know is coming the release is gonna be huge.


Stormcast:
-Bastian Carlothos
-Knight Reliquator
-Vanquishers
- Knight Judicator with Gryph Hounds
-stormstrike Chariot
- Vigilators
- Annialators
- The Dragon Princes (almost garenteed to be a dual kit)
- Knight Draconious


Kruleboyz
- Snatchaboss/special char dual pack
- Vulture Rider
- Breakaboss on troggoth
-Marshcrawler
-Gutrippers
-Manskewer Bolt boys


and I'm sure there are some missed stuff, it's also LIKELY that vigilators will be coming out as a kit but not confirmed. (on the other hand it would be just like GW to make the spear battleline infantry for an army starter kit only in an edition where spears are so important)

So yeah that's a huuuge release. assuming 3-4 models per week. that's easily a months worth of releases...
I'm suddenly glad my birthday is in september


I hope there is one more set of reveals for my Boyz. That's a lot more stormcast models than it is orks...


I do too, that said, this list may well be incomplete, I'm looking at getting into SCE with this release so I admit I've dug a little deeper. It should be noted that ALL of the big monster kits seem to be a dual special char/generic unit kit. and that gutrippers have a lot of options so it might be a case of SCEs get more kits, but Orruks will be able to do a lot more with their smaller number of kits
but I'm hoping there's just more stuff we've not seen, as I indicated earlier GW's not actually said if vindicators are getting a kit, and I think it'd be mighty odd if they didn't. Likewise hobgrots not being avaliable outside of dominion strikes me as... odd.

Looking at Dominion we have the following units that have not yet been confirmed with a release.

SCE:
-Vindicators
- Yandrasta,
-Knight Velixor
Lord Impertant
- Knighty Arcanum

Krule Boyz:
- Both Killa Bosses,
-Murknob
- Shaman
-Hobgrot


I suspect with some of these they'll get released but it'll be a delayed release


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Different animals have different weight-carrying capacity, and flying animals aren't well known for carrying any sort of weights.


Well, there are Swallows that carry coconuts...


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Different animals have different weight-carrying capacity, and flying animals aren't well known for carrying any sort of weights.


many birds of prey can carry 1/4 their body weight, some a bit more. Just based on that I don't have a major issue with that dragon model - this is a major fantastical creature in a world with flying steam punkish battleships.

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If all fails you guys can put the rider on the dragon claws like the dragon is carrying him

All joking aside I was comparing the size of the dragons with the dracolines and the body is substantially longer ( not looking at wings) but I think the proportions on the small size do work very well, surely a dragon that massive can have 100kg on his back.

   
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BrianDavion wrote:
It should be noted that ALL of the big monster kits seem to be a dual special char/generic unit kit.

Except the Dragon rider HQ. I am really surprised there isn't special character there, would make more sense than some of the ork kits.

but I'm hoping there's just more stuff we've not seen, as I indicated earlier GW's not actually said if vindicators are getting a kit, and I think it'd be mighty odd if they didn't. Likewise hobgrots not being avaliable outside of dominion strikes me as... odd.

All the units you mentioned as 'missing' are in starters now (except Yndrasta) and they will probably stay there for the remainder of 3rd edition. Vindicators and grots might end up like Necron warriors, technically available on their own but most people will buy starters because it will be much better deal. I am not sure either have enough options to warrant full kit.
   
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I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

 
   
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Cronch wrote:
Different animals have different weight-carrying capacity, and flying animals aren't well known for carrying any sort of weights.

Except in reality big birds of prey are fully capable of lifting 40-50% of their body mass in good conditions because they need a lot of fresh meat daily and would starve to death if they were limited to small catches:

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 AduroT wrote:
I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

As in good or bad way?
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

Is it greater than zero?
But then I’ve seen people who buy part of a lunch deal but not really other parts, despite the fact that their single item costs more than the deal price myself.

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To be fair I've done that because I don't want the other part of the lunch meal and it would go to waste.


Otherwise don't forget even with all the Indomitus stuff there's stlil new people joining all the time or people who just want one box of something or a simple purchase to support their local store or even aren't that interested in going "online" to "find deals".

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

Is it greater than zero?
But then I’ve seen people who buy part of a lunch deal but not really other parts, despite the fact that their single item costs more than the deal price myself.


We’ve gone thru over half a dozen of them. When I see people getting them I point out the starter box, but I don’t usually see the people buying them.

 
   
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Affton, MO. USA

 AduroT wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

Is it greater than zero?
But then I’ve seen people who buy part of a lunch deal but not really other parts, despite the fact that their single item costs more than the deal price myself.


We’ve gone thru over half a dozen of them. When I see people getting them I point out the starter box, but I don’t usually see the people buying them.


Do the separate Necron warriors have different parts in the box??? Otherwise it is just the marketing doing a fantastic job of creating a false value to the regular boxes compared to the starting boxes. While GW does make mistakes, the marketing department sometimes hits some home runs.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

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 Theophony wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

Is it greater than zero?
But then I’ve seen people who buy part of a lunch deal but not really other parts, despite the fact that their single item costs more than the deal price myself.


We’ve gone thru over half a dozen of them. When I see people getting them I point out the starter box, but I don’t usually see the people buying them.


Do the separate Necron warriors have different parts in the box??? Otherwise it is just the marketing doing a fantastic job of creating a false value to the regular boxes compared to the starting boxes. While GW does make mistakes, the marketing department sometimes hits some home runs.


The regular boxes have the exact same Warriors as the starter. $50 for a Warrior box, $55 for the starter. The extra $5 gets you a Necron character, a marine character, and the Primaris assault marines. It’s Stupid good.

 
   
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The warriors in the starter and the warriors in the box are identical.
For £3.50 extra you get a character and some dice. Oh and some targets to chop up for base deco. It’s a steal!

I personally expect the dominion minis to drop with similar prices to the indomitus ones so the “deal” on the base starter will be similar.

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Affton, MO. USA

Oh I know it's a deal, I bought 2 of the Elite Edition alongside 2 of the Indomitus boxes. I just didn't know off the top of my head if the warriors were identical or something else as I have not bought the separate boxes.

Since this is my first real foray into AOS, I am looking at grabbing a couple of the Extremis sets for more models and the terrain. I really like the new spear and shield SCE.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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And my reply to Aduro just up and vanished...

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
The warriors in the starter and the warriors in the box are identical.
For £3.50 extra you get a character and some dice. Oh and some targets to chop up for base deco. It’s a steal!

I personally expect the dominion minis to drop with similar prices to the indomitus ones so the “deal” on the base starter will be similar.


Or gw learned from that. Vindictors come in 5 on starter. I expect solo box have 10 like liberator/sequitor. With price less than 2 starters.

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BrianDavion wrote:
Togusa wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Since we know the next battletome after these two is October I bet that the battletomes will be up for pre-order on the 28th and we'll see a wave of releases that last all of sept.

Looking at what we know is coming the release is gonna be huge.


Stormcast:
-Bastian Carlothos
-Knight Reliquator
-Vanquishers
- Knight Judicator with Gryph Hounds
-stormstrike Chariot
- Vigilators
- Annialators
- The Dragon Princes (almost garenteed to be a dual kit)
- Knight Draconious


Kruleboyz
- Snatchaboss/special char dual pack
- Vulture Rider
- Breakaboss on troggoth
-Marshcrawler
-Gutrippers
-Manskewer Bolt boys


and I'm sure there are some missed stuff, it's also LIKELY that vigilators will be coming out as a kit but not confirmed. (on the other hand it would be just like GW to make the spear battleline infantry for an army starter kit only in an edition where spears are so important)

So yeah that's a huuuge release. assuming 3-4 models per week. that's easily a months worth of releases...
I'm suddenly glad my birthday is in september


I hope there is one more set of reveals for my Boyz. That's a lot more stormcast models than it is orks...


I do too, that said, this list may well be incomplete, I'm looking at getting into SCE with this release so I admit I've dug a little deeper. It should be noted that ALL of the big monster kits seem to be a dual special char/generic unit kit. and that gutrippers have a lot of options so it might be a case of SCEs get more kits, but Orruks will be able to do a lot more with their smaller number of kits
but I'm hoping there's just more stuff we've not seen, as I indicated earlier GW's not actually said if vindicators are getting a kit, and I think it'd be mighty odd if they didn't. Likewise hobgrots not being avaliable outside of dominion strikes me as... odd.

Looking at Dominion we have the following units that have not yet been confirmed with a release.

SCE:
-Vindicators
- Yandrasta,
-Knight Velixor
Lord Impertant
- Knighty Arcanum

Krule Boyz:
- Both Killa Bosses,
-Murknob
- Shaman
-Hobgrot


I suspect with some of these they'll get released but it'll be a delayed release



The sad thing about Hobgrots is that unless their data sheet is better in the codex, them not having a box release won't matter as they're strictly worse than garbage. Probably the worst rules of any unit I've seen this year.


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 AduroT wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
I can not believe the number of Necron Warrior boxes we’ve sold here.

Is it greater than zero?
But then I’ve seen people who buy part of a lunch deal but not really other parts, despite the fact that their single item costs more than the deal price myself.


We’ve gone thru over half a dozen of them. When I see people getting them I point out the starter box, but I don’t usually see the people buying them.


Do the separate Necron warriors have different parts in the box??? Otherwise it is just the marketing doing a fantastic job of creating a false value to the regular boxes compared to the starting boxes. While GW does make mistakes, the marketing department sometimes hits some home runs.


The regular boxes have the exact same Warriors as the starter. $50 for a Warrior box, $55 for the starter. The extra $5 gets you a Necron character, a marine character, and the Primaris assault marines. It’s Stupid good.


Unless you don't want the marines or the necron character.

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yukishiro1 wrote:
Dragons obviously need magic to fly, there's no way they could possibly generate the necessary force to keep themselves in the air just based on natural physics. So if they're able to magically keep their own fat bodies in the air, presumably they can also use that magic to keep themselves from getting shoulder cramps from the fat dude sitting on them.


The meme of the bees shouldn't be able to fly is based on an archaic idea that tried to apply airplane dynamics to the dypterids, at the same time that they ignored how flight works for any other animal.

I love ruining memes.

In any case, dragons could flight if they generated enough methane, or other gas lighterthan air, to help it take flight.
   
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Don't forget most of the flying animals we have today are very small by ancient standards. There's theories that the earth had a much higher oxygen content in the atmosphere in the past which allowed flight animals (and indeed many animals) to go to much greater sizes since there was more oxygen to generate into energy.

As I recall its one of the theories on how dragonflies used to be utterly huge compared to what they are today - creatures right out of fantasy.

So the Mortal Realm just likely has a super high oxygen content!

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That applies mostly to giant inverts, like said dragonflies. Pterosaurs, the largest flying creatures, used the same sort of system as birds do to fly, having air-sacks inside their body to both lighten them and provide extra oxygen to lungs.I suppose Mortal Realms, being pancakes with no core, have very low gravity compared to a planet, so much larger animals can fly.
   
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Given that these bad boys used to fly around, dragons aren't tooooo unreasonable. Honestly wish we got some stormecast on them instead

Given that the Saurus were the ones that held all the eggs, do we suppose they'll get access to some drakes down the line?
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:


Given that these bad boys used to fly around, dragons aren't tooooo unreasonable. Honestly wish we got some stormecast on them instead

Given that the Saurus were the ones that held all the eggs, do we suppose they'll get access to some drakes down the line?


the little short story seems to indicate none stayed with them, that said a special character dragon could be intreasting

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This is what happens when Chuck Norris Roundhouse kicks a horse and a chicken.

of course when GW sees this image there will be a new model of the Pterosaur and the rider will sit on its head like a crown, because they have no idea about saddles and how they work. The dragons saddles at least look decent in comparison, especially because the dragons have no neck.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
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lol, my main issue has actually been not with "if the dragon could carry the golden nugget" but "they put the golden nugget on the neck of the poor animal" which has to be like, the best way to make sure your proud warbeast is at the wizard-vet from ligment pain.

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Cronch wrote:

Different animals have different weight-carrying capacity, and flying animals aren't well known for carrying any sort of weights. As it's a fantastic creature laws of biology clearly dont apply, but the riders look too big and chunky for the size of the baby dragons to me. I never liked the tiny hawks the elves sat on taking 1/2 of their backs either if that helps.


That's not how flight works.

 NAVARRO wrote:
 CMLR wrote:


Nah, for example Archaon mount is huge, has a fat body and limbs in comparison yet that kit is packed with dynamic.That kit is old too.


Dorghar is quite slender, his three heads can decieve.

Togusa wrote:

The sad thing about Hobgrots is that unless their data sheet is better in the codex


*Battletome.

BrianDavion wrote:

- Yandrasta,


*Yndrasta.

 Overread wrote:
Don't forget most of the flying animals we have today are very small by ancient standards. There's theories that the earth had a much higher oxygen content in the atmosphere in the past which allowed flight animals (and indeed many animals) to go to much greater sizes since there was more oxygen to generate into energy.

As I recall its one of the theories on how dragonflies used to be utterly huge compared to what they are today - creatures right out of fantasy.

So the Mortal Realm just likely has a super high oxygen content!


Theory ≠ speculation, and it is a fact that the Carboniferous had higher oxygen concentrarion, and it wasn't energy, but tendecies that arthropods have of growing with higher amounts of oxygen.

 GaroRobe wrote:


Given that these bad boys used to fly around, dragons aren't tooooo unreasonable. Honestly wish we got some stormecast on them instead

Given that the Saurus were the ones that held all the eggs, do we suppose they'll get access to some drakes down the line?


Not an expert on azrachids (this kind of giant pterosaurs), but there are doubts of them actively flying, but rather sliding across entire continents.

Again, not an expert, but I do hope my saurian faction gets something new, even if they are not dragons but a new kind of mezoic-like beast.

 Theophony wrote:
Chuck Norris


There is such thing as enough Chuck Norris jokes.

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There is such thing as enough Chuck Norris jokes.


As someone who has been on the internet since Netscape was in beta, I disagree. The last few years of the 90s were rough in that regard.
   
 
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