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 Battlesong wrote:
pinecone77 wrote:
Currently "good" units in HtH have Invulns and Top of the line armor saves. We don't. But we do have acid blood! (costs cp) You want to use Lictors, and/or Rippers to "on all fronts" and deploy scamblers, and the like.

If you are careful you can max the secondaries, and if your foe cannot, you can get a win most every time. We may not be "good" at HtH, but we can Infiltrate, Tunnel, and out number just like always.


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What Hive Fleet are you planning on running? The two top choices seem to be Kraken for super speed, and Leviathan, or Jormangandr for increased saves, or tricks.


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There are also "custom" Fleets as well.


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 Battlesong wrote:
pinecone77 wrote:
Outside of "super competitive" Bugs can do just fine. The main "trap" is that Hth is now a "thing" in 9th, and Nids don't do Hth very well. But shooting and Smiting work just fine, and the old classic of Cover the table with figs!(tm) still works.

The "secret" is play the mission, and only the mission. Nids can do that as well as any.


Don't do hth well? Wow, I really have to check the rules now as I find it hard to believe that we're bad in close combat. The issue used to be getting them there, not what happened when they were there. Below is the collection of models I'm working with; any advice based off of this is really appreciated.

2 Hive Tyrants One wit LW/BS and HVC, one with wings, but no other arms attached yet
1 Tervigon w/Crushing Claws
2 Broodlords
10 Warriors, various loadouts
44 Genestealers
41 Hormagaunts
35 Termagants, some w/devourers, but I don't remember how many
29 Gargoyles
1 Lictor (usually use as Deathleaper)
3 Zoanthropes
1 Biovore w/2 mines
1 Exocrine
2 Trygons
4 Carnifexes, 1 w/dual ST, 1 w/ST and Crushing Claws, 1 w/Claws and HVC, and 1 with 2 devourers and 2 open arm slots


Looking at what you have I suggest running some MSU Stealers, and/or MSU Warriors as your base, us the Broodlords as HQ, one with A spine to increase psycher powers and the add in you gaunts and Zoeys and see how it plays.
I'll most likely run Kraken, at least until I get a couple of 9th edition games under my belt as I think that'll be the easiest to play with to start. Staying away from the monsters makes me cry as they're the whole reason I started playing the army. Sounds like a complete reversal of how we played 8th edition and is going to take a lot of games to get used to. It almost makes me just want to hold off to see what the new codex brings.....

Monster are playable, it depends on what you will face. I am holding out hope that our new codex will make Carnfexen back into the fearsom monsters of pld. I don't mind the stats, if they were cheaper I would take them.
   
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So I'm getting into tyranids for casual/narrative games and I have a start collecting and then another start collecting minus the trygon. Would it be better for me to focus on building a horde or are.blast weapons too punishing?

 
   
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 UncleJetMints wrote:
So I'm getting into tyranids for casual/narrative games and I have a start collecting and then another start collecting minus the trygon. Would it be better for me to focus on building a horde or are.blast weapons too punishing?


My experience so far has been mixed. Blast weapons do hurt when they pop up, but most people I have played recently have not been taking many of them compared to things that kill heavy infantry and armor. It also depends a bit on how many extra dice you are looking at - a unit with a single D6 shot weapon getting a minimum of 3 shots isn't as annoying as a unit with four individual D3 shot weapons getting a full 12 shots every time.

Biggest threat I've had from blast was from units that have access to a "everyone can throw a grenade" stratagem. The amount of dice thrown in such instances almost always far exceeds what the unit could have put out with their normal ranged weapons (albeit usually at -1 strength).

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Ishikawa Prefecture, Japan

So, not owned any 'nid rules since the 8th ed index (which is currently hiding somewhere on my laptop :( ) but have Tervigons ever been able to take anything other than Crushing Claws or Scything Talons, or did I hallucinate that one night? I've just combed through my 7th ed codex, and at the very least, we only had that back then??? Have the options expanded at all since then, or nah? - also, of the two, which do we like?

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 posermcbogus wrote:
So, not owned any 'nid rules since the 8th ed index (which is currently hiding somewhere on my laptop :( ) but have Tervigons ever been able to take anything other than Crushing Claws or Scything Talons, or did I hallucinate that one night? I've just combed through my 7th ed codex, and at the very least, we only had that back then??? Have the options expanded at all since then, or nah? - also, of the two, which do we like?

It has only ever been scything talons or crushing claws on Tervigons.
Personally I'd stick with the scything talons. Three attacks hitting on a 4+ is bad. But the -1 to hit on the crushing claws changing that to a 5+ is just dismal. Plus they make you pay more points for it.
   
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Ishikawa Prefecture, Japan

Arson Fire wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
So, not owned any 'nid rules since the 8th ed index (which is currently hiding somewhere on my laptop :( ) but have Tervigons ever been able to take anything other than Crushing Claws or Scything Talons, or did I hallucinate that one night? I've just combed through my 7th ed codex, and at the very least, we only had that back then??? Have the options expanded at all since then, or nah? - also, of the two, which do we like?

It has only ever been scything talons or crushing claws on Tervigons.
Personally I'd stick with the scything talons. Three attacks hitting on a 4+ is bad. But the -1 to hit on the crushing claws changing that to a 5+ is just dismal. Plus they make you pay more points for it.


Ah, okay, sounds like some pretty solid logic ahahaha. Cheers very much for the help!

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 posermcbogus wrote:
So, not owned any 'nid rules since the 8th ed index (which is currently hiding somewhere on my laptop :( ) but have Tervigons ever been able to take anything other than Crushing Claws or Scything Talons, or did I hallucinate that one night? I've just combed through my 7th ed codex, and at the very least, we only had that back then??? Have the options expanded at all since then, or nah? - also, of the two, which do we like?


In 5th (when they were introduced) they had Claws and Teeth by default and could upgrade to Scything Talons or Crushing Claws. In the 6th edition book they dropped the generic Claws and Teeth option for Scything Talons by default and Crushing Claws as an upgrade. They also could take the Miasma Cannon relic for a gun option due to the way relics worked in 6th/7th (basically were extra wargear options for characters with fixed costs) but that option is longer legal.

For the current book, sadly the Massive Scything Talons are in most cases the only weapon worth using. The Crushing Claws -1 to hit is crippling given the Tervigon's poor weaponskill (especially once at half health or lower) and damage-wise the Talons are identical apart from the 2x strength modifier. The one exception is if you are in Crusade where you can give your Tervigon the "ignore hit modifiers" warlord trait without sacrificing adaptive physiology upgrades (or a different Warlord Trait), since at that point you are trading reroll 1's to hit with 2x strength which is more palatable.

   
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Arson Fire wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
So, not owned any 'nid rules since the 8th ed index (which is currently hiding somewhere on my laptop :( ) but have Tervigons ever been able to take anything other than Crushing Claws or Scything Talons, or did I hallucinate that one night? I've just combed through my 7th ed codex, and at the very least, we only had that back then??? Have the options expanded at all since then, or nah? - also, of the two, which do we like?

It has only ever been scything talons or crushing claws on Tervigons.
Personally I'd stick with the scything talons. Three attacks hitting on a 4+ is bad. But the -1 to hit on the crushing claws changing that to a 5+ is just dismal. Plus they make you pay more points for it.



Actually, back in 8th, the Tervigon could take a gun. I'd frequently give it the relic guns to make her actually be a threat on the battlefield.

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Hello Hive Mind! I have finished another battle report against the new Dark Eldar. I have to face off against a 32 DT liquifier spam army.
Read all about it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/mwdqe5/tyranids_vs_new_drukhari_2000pt_written_battle/

What are people's ideas about what we could do to beat a list like this?
   
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Auckland, NZ

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Arson Fire wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
So, not owned any 'nid rules since the 8th ed index (which is currently hiding somewhere on my laptop :( ) but have Tervigons ever been able to take anything other than Crushing Claws or Scything Talons, or did I hallucinate that one night? I've just combed through my 7th ed codex, and at the very least, we only had that back then??? Have the options expanded at all since then, or nah? - also, of the two, which do we like?

It has only ever been scything talons or crushing claws on Tervigons.
Personally I'd stick with the scything talons. Three attacks hitting on a 4+ is bad. But the -1 to hit on the crushing claws changing that to a 5+ is just dismal. Plus they make you pay more points for it.



Actually, back in 8th, the Tervigon could take a gun. I'd frequently give it the relic guns to make her actually be a threat on the battlefield.

Ah, you mean back in 6th/7th. I'd forgotten about the old Miasma Cannon relic back then. It could indeed be swapped from a pair of scything talons on a tervigon. Good catch.
   
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Mexico

To bad the miasma cannon sucked so much.
   
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Bergen

So a harradrian wins a tournament.

It is all in here.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2EYzjWF00o

Comments by the players here.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lmCavGqfoyk

Now I really wanne kitbash a harridan. But it is probably expensive, and that bad boy is to big for public transport

I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

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Just add bits of carapace and green stuff to a hive crone, use the scything talons of a hierodule (magnetise them so you can put them back on the dule when needed) and make the hive crone head a bit bigger with green stuff. If your model is 10% smaller than the FW thing don't worry, no one will care. You will never be out of LOS anyway so it won't make a difference. Just be sure to have the right base for it

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Bergen

It is twice the sieze of the hive crone. And the wings three times the sieze.

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I’ll post a comparison picture when I get home (I have both a Hive Crone and Harridan) but as Niiai points out the Harridan is a lot bigger than the plastic flying monsters. Would still be a neat conversion, but the size difference would be a sticking point.

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Ah ok then i didn't think there was such a diff, my bad. You could try greenstuffing extensions to the wings but that would be tricky.

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NJ, USA

I have one - wing span is 13.25 inches, wider than than the narrow deployment zones. It's much longer the other way. On maps with the 12" deployment zones, you need to either pay 4CP to reserve it or have it sit around doing nothing turn 1 per the FAQ. Love him, but it sucks in about a third of the missions.

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 Verthane wrote:
I have one - wing span is 13.25 inches, wider than than the narrow deployment zones. It's much longer the other way. On maps with the 12" deployment zones, you need to either pay 4CP to reserve it or have it sit around doing nothing turn 1 per the FAQ. Love him, but it sucks in about a third of the missions.


Thanks for the input, so kitbashing is no way to go, unless you get the dimensions exactly right. Because otherwise, that's modelling for advantage...

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Mexico

 Niiai wrote:
So a harradrian wins a tournament.

It is all in here.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2EYzjWF00o

Comments by the players here.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lmCavGqfoyk

Now I really wanne kitbash a harridan. But it is probably expensive, and that bad boy is to big for public transport

That's a curious interaction bewteen Overrun and Aircraft rules, which makes me think Overrun is going to be either removed, Core locked or heavily edited.

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As promised, a quick picture taken from above:
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I must confess I haven't looked at its rules too closely as there hasn't been very many opportunities to use it. That being said, I do hope they will do something similar for our other dedicated flying monsters to give them a different feel from their ground-pounding counterparts.
   
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Mexico

I do expect the Harpy and Hive Crone to get aircraft rules. Those two and the Harridan tend to share movement rules.

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 Xenomancers wrote:

The FW stuff is just very underpointed by comparison...because that is what FW is great at. Turns out though the FW stuff is about right and pretty much everything else nids is overpointed.


As far as i know FW is no longer making the rules and points costs for their models, its all done by GW now.
   
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 Verthane wrote:
I have one - wing span is 13.25 inches, wider than than the narrow deployment zones. It's much longer the other way. On maps with the 12" deployment zones, you need to either pay 4CP to reserve it or have it sit around doing nothing turn 1 per the FAQ. Love him, but it sucks in about a third of the missions.


This is actually an incorrect interpretation of step 11 of either the BRB/GT Mission Pack. The second sentence says "A player’s models must be set up wholly within their deployment zone" and in Basic Rules section of the Core Rules you will find a section under Measuring Distances titled "Within and Wholly Within" that states " If a rule says it affects models that are ‘wholly within’ then it only applies if every part of the model’s base (or hull) is within the specified distance."

Since the Harridan has a base and doesnt hull measure, as long its base is wholly within the deployment zone it will never be subjected to the restrictions laid out in the second paragraph of step 11 in the Mission Pack.

Basically, if the model has a base, the actual size of the model doesnt matter when you are trying to determine if it is wholly within a deployment zone.

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tyranidwarrior wrote:
 Verthane wrote:
I have one - wing span is 13.25 inches, wider than than the narrow deployment zones. It's much longer the other way. On maps with the 12" deployment zones, you need to either pay 4CP to reserve it or have it sit around doing nothing turn 1 per the FAQ. Love him, but it sucks in about a third of the missions.


This is actually an incorrect interpretation of step 11 of either the BRB/GT Mission Pack. The second sentence says "A player’s models must be set up wholly within their deployment zone" and in Basic Rules section of the Core Rules you will find a section under Measuring Distances titled "Within and Wholly Within" that states " If a rule says it affects models that are ‘wholly within’ then it only applies if every part of the model’s base (or hull) is within the specified distance."

Since the Harridan has a base and doesnt hull measure, as long its base is wholly within the deployment zone it will never be subjected to the restrictions laid out in the second paragraph of step 11 in the Mission Pack.

Basically, if the model has a base, the actual size of the model doesnt matter when you are trying to determine if it is wholly within a deployment zone.


I agree with you but sadly some TO don't. I went to a tournament last summer, in 2 out of 5 games my ares gun ship was not allowed to do anything in the first turn.
   
 
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