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'The New Edition’s Rules Have Changed Exactly as Planned for the Disciples of Tzeentch' on Warhammer Community:





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Still not sure why you're hotlinking old rules but not the commentary on how they're affected by edition change

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Gathering the Informations.

Maybe he doesn't want to copy/paste every single thing on the page so you can save yourself clicking a link and actively having to read something?

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.

Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.


For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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New General's Handbook 2021 info out.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/15/ghur-basically-eats-your-objectives-with-the-rules-in-the-new-generals-handbook/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=DailyAoS150621&utm_term=DailyAoS150621
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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SamusDrake wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.

Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.


For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!


I have half a Nighthaunt army XD Fragile stuff!

I get the feeling AoS 3 is going to be the spear/pike edition.

   
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SamusDrake wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.

Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.


For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!


*Glares at Hexwraiths*

I am still really surprised people don't talk more about what a nightmare the entire Nighthaunt line is to build tbh, especially if you want to fill in the gaps left everywhere. They were really a bad choice for a starter box army.
   
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 NAVARRO wrote:

I have half a Nighthaunt army XD Fragile stuff!

I get the feeling AoS 3 is going to be the spear/pike edition.


To be fair a spike snapped off my Knight-Azyros the other day. "Noooooooooooooo!".

It honestly don't get any easier with their models.


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Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Ouch, reprinting the Core Rules to fill half the page count of the GHB and the warscrolls will be in the app. I'm seriously consider skipping it...

   
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I was going to bring up how fethed it is to require a second mandatory book purchase to get into the next edition (and be shouted down by the fanboys)... but with the core rules in the GHB, can the Rulebook be skipped? What do you lose except the fluff?

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Amazing. 3.0 isn't even out yet and there's a universal battalion to ignore monster rampages!

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Gathering the Informations.

Rihgu wrote:
Amazing. 3.0 isn't even out yet and there's a universal battalion to ignore monster rampages!

These battleplans see you fight your way through Ghur, a land that is nearly as carnivorous as the creatures that inhabit it. You can use any of the core battalions featured in the Core Book in these battleplans, or you can choose from a pair of core battalions designed specifically for the General’s Handbook – the Alpha-beast Pack and the Hunters of the Heartlands. Each comes complete with its own unique battalion ability to reflect the hard-won experience of its constituent units.

Wording suggests that battleplans dictate what battalions can or cannot be used.
   
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So Realm specific battlalions are the random-design-space-to-sell-mandatory-supplements thing for 3rd?

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Gathering the Informations.

Do you ever have anything useful to contribute to these threads?

We've had Realm-specific rules since day one for AoS. Realm-specific relics, spells, and terrain modifiers all existed before now. Battalions are potentially a new thing but oh no whatever shall we do!
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
Amazing. 3.0 isn't even out yet and there's a universal battalion to ignore monster rampages!

These battleplans see you fight your way through Ghur, a land that is nearly as carnivorous as the creatures that inhabit it. You can use any of the core battalions featured in the Core Book in these battleplans, or you can choose from a pair of core battalions designed specifically for the General’s Handbook – the Alpha-beast Pack and the Hunters of the Heartlands. Each comes complete with its own unique battalion ability to reflect the hard-won experience of its constituent units.

Wording suggests that battleplans dictate what battalions can or cannot be used.
Or its a simple background blurp about the story being told in the set of missions in the book and has 0 impact on the actual rules.
   
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So from the spell list above, are we thinking Balewind is now gone?

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I do like that the matchedplay missions are themed on whats happening in the setting, that's pretty cool.

I will miss the classic missions though! I love the spell to turn a hero into a monster, thats pretty cool.

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How could realm-specific battalions tied to the mission possibly work? You don't know the realm and mission you're playing until you get to the table, at which point it's too late to redo your battalions?

Unless it's like the old system where you just choose what realm your army is from as part of army creation, in which case it isn't really a limitation, it's just a choice.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I was going to bring up how fethed it is to require a second mandatory book purchase to get into the next edition (and be shouted down by the fanboys)... but with the core rules in the GHB, can the Rulebook be skipped? What do you lose except the fluff?


Nothing, you never needed the core book. Only rubes and people that buy the starter box get the BRB.

You don't know much about AoS for someone who spends a lot of time in the AoS rumors thread.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you ever have anything useful to contribute to these threads?

We've had Realm-specific rules since day one for AoS. Realm-specific relics, spells, and terrain modifiers all existed before now. Battalions are potentially a new thing but oh no whatever shall we do!


And a lot of people, especially in North America, have been ignoring them or house ruling them down to being actually usable (eliminating the need for purchase because they have to be printed in the mission packet).

Again, dude seems to know next to nothing about how sigmar works for how much time he spends here.


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yukishiro1 wrote:
How could realm-specific battalions tied to the mission possibly work? You don't know the realm and mission you're playing until you get to the table, at which point it's too late to redo your battalions?

Unless it's like the old system where you just choose what realm your army is from as part of army creation, in which case it isn't really a limitation, it's just a choice.


Realm rules don't work full stop. They never have and they never will. They only stick around because AoS has a more fluff-side mentality than 40k so they're fine with rules like 'roll a 4 at the start of the game and nothing can run! Yes, even if your opponent is 60 sentinels Lumineth!'

See blackfang, THAT'S a valid complaint.

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The Phazer wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.

Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.


For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!


*Glares at Hexwraiths*

I am still really surprised people don't talk more about what a nightmare the entire Nighthaunt line is to build tbh, especially if you want to fill in the gaps left everywhere. They were really a bad choice for a starter box army.


I had to sculpt full capes and hoods to cover the gaps, the idea of easy build is great for building fast but when you are left with huge gaps then you need to bring your A game at sculpting clothes. These are not easy at all. I spent ages just cleaning the minis.
I hope the ones on this starter are a bit less crude once assembled.


SamusDrake wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:

I have half a Nighthaunt army XD Fragile stuff!

I get the feeling AoS 3 is going to be the spear/pike edition.


To be fair a spike snapped off my Knight-Azyros the other day. "Noooooooooooooo!".

It honestly don't get any easier with their models.




I know man and its the reason Im still avoiding the new skellies, I keep hearing so many bad reports about fragility. I tend to convert or simply cut out the bits I know that will snap when I sneeze. As technology advances for casting I see these designs becoming more and more fragile. Ok for display but not ideal for slapping some paint and run some casual games.

Speaking of games how many books do we need to get? Just free rules and army book right?

   
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ERJAK wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you ever have anything useful to contribute to these threads?

We've had Realm-specific rules since day one for AoS. Realm-specific relics, spells, and terrain modifiers all existed before now. Battalions are potentially a new thing but oh no whatever shall we do!


And a lot of people, especially in North America, have been ignoring them or house ruling them down to being actually usable (eliminating the need for purchase because they have to be printed in the mission packet).

Again, dude seems to know next to nothing about how sigmar works for how much time he spends here.

Saying they exist isn't the same thing as saying they're used. I can understand how that would be hard for you though.

I'm well aware that most people tended to ignore/house rule them. Just like I tend to ignore people who try to act like someone's post alone is the summation of all their knowledge on a subject.

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So with the General's Handbook including the core rules, is there actually any need to get the core book if you're just interested in matched play / pitched battles?

 
   
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 stahly wrote:
So with the General's Handbook including the core rules, is there actually any need to get the core book if you're just interested in matched play / pitched battles?

Unless there's something we don't know about in the Core Rules (we've not seen the Table of Contents yet) probably not.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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 stahly wrote:
So with the General's Handbook including the core rules, is there actually any need to get the core book if you're just interested in matched play / pitched battles?

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for now we don't know

as well as we don't know if the free rules + GHB covers everything or if there are any rules missing that are found in the hardcover

we have had both with GW, so better of waiting until the first reviews are out

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ERJAK wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I was going to bring up how fethed it is to require a second mandatory book purchase to get into the next edition (and be shouted down by the fanboys)... but with the core rules in the GHB, can the Rulebook be skipped? What do you lose except the fluff?


Nothing, you never needed the core book. Only rubes and people that buy the starter box get the BRB.


As well as people who want Path to Glory. Path to Glory is not going to be in GHB.


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 mokoshkana wrote:
So from the spell list above, are we thinking Balewind is now gone?


It is very likely gone as it hasn't been available for some time now.

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Hm, interesting that it is just rules for Ghur. That could be cool with them using the space to give a really fleshed-out set of rules. I like the ones previewed, and a battalion to give counter-play to monstrous rampages is a great way to offset monster-buffing rules.

Do we know if core battalions cost points or not?


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Togusa wrote:
If it cripples you, you're a bad player. Not a victim.

Literally have NEVER had the DT cause me any issues. Positioning! AoS players need to learn it! This game isn't the easy-peasy 40K child rules, you're in Big Boy town when you come to an AoS table.
No, if it doesn't cripple you your opponent is a bad player. If you get a 1-2 double and can't secure the win then either you screwed up hard or had some serious luck/listbuiling against you. If you've actually never had doubles cause you issues that isn't because of your awesome skills; your opponents suck or their lists do.

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Sorry if already talked about, but:




So, monsters now count as 5 models while contesting objectives.

Plus, at 20:12, core battalions, pretty much replacing the old battalions and explaining the lack of battalions for SBGL, and enhancements.
   
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Yeah, a good ranged list played by a competent player will ruthlessly exploit a T1 to T2 double turn and not give you a way back into the match unless they roll really badly.

What sort of person talks about positioning in a game where basically all the powerful ranged lists have threat ranges that cover essentially the entire table, and in which cover basically doesn't exist except as an occasional bonus to saving throws?

If you get DTed from T1 to T2 by LRL, Tzeentch, Seraphon, or KO...you will lose 80% of the time, because you will go into the second half of T2 with half of your army or less.

The only faction for which positioning can really give you a chance against a ranged list DTing you on T1 and T2 is Deepkin.
   
 
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