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Warhammer - games workshop models are already too expensive and rising excessively in price over the years. Then go take a look at forge world. Basically everything at least double the cost for a comparable item from GW - plus you gotta ship it from England. I know this is losing them business because I don't see their models anywhere. I was actually about to buy one until I figured the conversion rate to USD and was just shocked what they are charging for fine-cast models that probably don't even fit together right. Thought it would be cool to have one of those and fun to play with but nah...I'll just buy another IK instead.

I was looking to get some earthshaker cannons. Until I saw they cost £71 each!!! Plus 12% shipping for uk. So £79.52 for 1. AND you have to pay that 12% no matter how many models you buy.

Absolutely crazy! A basilisk which includes the earthshaker plus a whole bloody tank to mount it on costs £31 from GW. What on earth are FW playing at with that pricing??? I can get more than 2 and a half basilisks for the price of 1 frikkin earthshaker. WT holy F?

Yes, FW is expensive. Nothing new about that.

Honestly, the price is what it is, you either feel the product is worth the asking price or it isn't.

The big issue is the dumb shipping charges and the somewhat lacklustre service that accompanies it. I finally caved and ordered some decals last week, as I had a number of projects either stalled or pending that my life will be a lot easier when completing them with the proper decals.

It's taken me several weeks to convince myself the time saved and finished quality will be worth the price, having finally made my peace with It and placed the order.

Assuming they don't work weekends, it took almost three days to dispatch and then it was sent 2nd class. Not exactly a premium service, and worse than many small EBay sellers and etailers I've used - and I've paid somewhere in the region of 3x the cost of the postage for it.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Plus 12% shipping for uk. So £79.52 for 1. AND you have to pay that 12% no matter how many models you buy.

In case you weren't aware, FW Express shipping is free worldwide for orders over £250. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Shipping-Charges.html

(Not making any comment about their prices, just wanted to point out that it isn't true that shipping is 12% "no matter how many models you buy".)

Plus they have the worst out of bag quality I have ever seen from a model company.

Can't you get Forge World shipped to your local Games Workshop store for free? I haven't been to be local GW store for obvious reasons, but I don't see why the stores wouldn't still have pretty much their only reason for existence.

I've bought a fair bit of HH stuff and the quality has been pretty spot on. Yeah it's expensive, but the models are lovely, the written material is fantastic, and it always has been expensive. It's nearly cheaper than actual GW stuff in Australia, they don't hike their prices very often unlike GW and I actually feel like I get what you pay for.

Not that I'd complain if they did drop their prices, but it is what it is. They're obviously doing okay with the prices where they are now.

The evidence is that Forge World model sales are not falling in the same way as GW's. Thus, they are not overpriced.

The reason is that Forge World are the real version of what GW claims to sell -- high quality special models for serious modellers and collectors.

FW stuff is expensive, in some cases absurdly so. However, they've always claimed to be the expensive niche studio, and have been up front and honest about that. Additionally, their prices rise largely in line with inflation and are largely stagnant. They're expensive, but they stay honestly expensive.

GW's core products on the other hand have gotten increasingly expensive, out of all proportion with inflation, to the point where many of their products now match equivalent FW models on price (things like blister-pack characters, Tempestus Scions vs DKoK Grenadiers, etc).

Ferraris are expensive! They should be more affordable, too.

Can you guys get any more entitled? It's a hobby. Hobbies cost money.

Ferraris are a Veblen good.

The OP suggests that keener pricing may result in greater sales, which isn't an idea without merit.

Can you please try and contribute rather than just hurl insults?

I don't mind (as much) for paying for Forge World items, though what I DO mind is paying out the ass for shipping. It does NOT cost that much to put it in a box with some bubble wrap and send it on its merry way. Especially for a business.

Forgewould should drop their prices if they want me to buy directly from them instead of...other...sources.

 Magos Explorator wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Plus 12% shipping for uk. So £79.52 for 1. AND you have to pay that 12% no matter how many models you buy.

In case you weren't aware, FW Express shipping is free worldwide for orders over £250. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Shipping-Charges.html

(Not making any comment about their prices, just wanted to point out that it isn't true that shipping is 12% "no matter how many models you buy".)

Ah no I was not aware of this. Thank you for the info. Sorry to anyone if I accidentally misled.

Forge World losing business hahahahahahahahahahahaha. I`m sorry but no. Hell i`d guess FW most likely make up most of GW`s revenue.

I they are expensive but what`s not now a days

Motograter wrote:
Forge World losing business hahahahahahahahahahahaha. I`m sorry but no. Hell i`d guess FW most likely make up most of GW`s revenue.

I they are expensive but what`s not now a days

I dont know, not very often GW has to pull things off thew shelves because they dont sell. FW has ha to pull their giant Kroot chickens and Tallarn riders and more off the product line.

Also FW by the sounds of it needs to replace like every 5 kits it sends out (probably why their shipping coasts are high, to try pay for all their failures) so I dont think they are doing that well.

Just my opinion though.

 crazyredpraetorian wrote:
Ferraris are expensive! They should be more affordable, too.

Can you guys get any more entitled? It's a hobby. Hobbies cost money.

This.

 Peregrine wrote:

 crazyredpraetorian wrote:
Ferraris are expensive! They should be more affordable, too.

Can you guys get any more entitled? It's a hobby. Hobbies cost money.

This.

Just because you look vaguely like one of the guys from the Inbetweeners doesn't give you the right to be so disparaging

It's not Ferrari anyway, it's Porsche.

Although, does anyone genuinely buy FW because of the name/brand? Or, is it a vehicle that's capable of leaving others behind in the dust and with a roar of engine to set your veins on fire (to draw out the analogy, are FW that much better than another sculpt?)

I think the comparison stops there.

Motograter wrote:
Forge World losing business hahahahahahahahahahahaha. I`m sorry but no. Hell i`d guess FW most likely make up most of GW`s revenue.

I they are expensive but what`s not now a days

Not sure on the last interim, but IIRC the last full year report put FW and BL combined at ~10% of revenue.

So, yeah, if you had to guess, you'd have been massively off. When it comes to companies that are legally compelled to disclose their accounting details, there's really no need to.

 Pacific wrote:
to draw out the analogy, are FW that much better than another sculpt?

Compared to "main" GW? Yes.

Anyway, whether or not FW is truly a Ferrari equivalent doesn't really matter. The point here is that the OP is yet another "I can't afford X so they should make it cheaper because I want it" rant with no purpose. If you're going to talk about what GW should do then you need to support it with some analysis of GW's financial situation and arguments that doing what you propose would benefit GW, and that's completely absent here.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Forgewould should drop their prices if they want me to buy directly from them instead of...other...sources.

It seems I'm not alone in this

In my modest opinion FW are way too expensive for what they offer. They have some really interesting kits, yes, and I would be interested in them if they were like half the price. As they are now, sorry, but not worth the money as I see it.

And as far as I know, considering what they charge and the "boutique product" aura, they have some serious issues with quality control.

 Swastakowey wrote:

I dont know, not very often GW has to pull things off thew shelves because they dont sell. FW has ha to pull their giant Kroot chickens and Tallarn riders and more off the product line.

They're not pulled off the shelves - they just sell what stock they have and don't do another production run.

Since no one else has said it yet, FW is the same price as GW for an alarmingly large number of items when looking at OZ, NZ and I think Japanese prices.


Having said that I really feel FW isn't worth what they are asking anymore. Once upon a time they where the boutique store selling things at a high prince but at excellent quality to make up for it. These days they just pump out the same HH stuff over and over again with different iconography or weapon loadouts and you no longer are amazed by every single thing you see them put out. The quality has dropped well below being worth the asking prince IMO.

Of course actually lowering prices is impractical in so many ways, but the value isn't there anymore.

As someone who owns alot of forgeworld stuff I would say it is pretty reasonably priced, the quality on the kits is fantastic and they are always the models in my army that my opponent admires the most, part of they joy is that not everyone owns the exact same models.

Forge world and Black Library are carrying GW on their shoulders at this time. They are the only two arms of the company not shrinking and are in fact growing.

Forge World was always expensive, always a 'premier' line. What's remarkable and sad and, I would suggest, a reason GW is so far into the gak right now, is that it really isn't that much more expensive than GW's plastics these days. It really isn't a leap to move from collecting a Guard army to a DKoK one... That should be raising alarm bells, but in the self fulfilling circle jerk at the top of GW, they believe they can move the entire range into 'niche', when the entire range was always in 'niche' and always considered expensive when i was a kid getting into it, 30 years ago, now it's gotten to the stage that I cannot really justify much of any purchase from GW proper when I can drop a couple of bucks more and get the FW version.

FW prices are what they are, it's the GW plastics that should go through the floor. Soon or else...

Vote with your wallet. When their sales go down so will the prices.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Since no one else has said it yet, FW is the same price as GW for an alarmingly large number of items when looking at OZ, NZ and I think Japanese prices.

I remember someone on here saying that in Japan, it's cheaper to order DKoK from FW than it is to buy plastic Cadians in store, because FW charge you in GBP and your bank converts it at the current rate, whilst GW uses some fantasy rate.

That said, there are characters that are cheaper from FW than GW now, I think it's apothecaries are available in a 2-pack from FW for about £24, whilst the plastic GW equivalents are about £18 each.

Not that it's not overpriced, it's just compared to the crazt prices of base GW stuff, FW looks better value because it's hand-cast resin and is that bit more exclusive. I still can't bring myself to buy much of it though.

 Korinov wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Forgewould should drop their prices if they want me to buy directly from them instead of...other...sources.

It seems I'm not alone in this

In my modest opinion FW are way too expensive for what they offer. They have some really interesting kits, yes, and I would be interested in them if they were like half the price. As they are now, sorry, but not worth the money as I see it.

And as far as I know, considering what they charge and the "boutique product" aura, they have some serious issues with quality control.

QFT!

Just recently I found a different "source" I now have 3 armies comprised of all FW and it cost less than one of their armies. I would rather my money go to FW but they are insane to charge what they do.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Forge world and Black Library are carrying GW on their shoulders at this time. They are the only two arms of the company not shrinking and are in fact growing.

Well, BL and FW are counted under the "Mail Order" umbrella in their financial report. Both in the current interim report and last year's the mail order category accounts for approx 20% of the overall revenue, and the amount of actual cash taken in the latest report has fallen YOY.

So while I can't categorically state you're wrong about BL and FW's growing, as they may well be accounting for a larger percentage of the Mail Order category this year than last - neither is there any data I can see to support the assertion that they're growing.

One thing is for certain, one can't state that two sub-divisions that, in total, don't account for 20% of the total revenue combined are carrying the company in a financial sense. FW alone are probably responsible for preserving a substantial amount of any remaining goodwill, but financially? Nope.