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Tiberias wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Because GW has treated the entire community like a fething Actiblizz Live service, where they can dangle crap that has already been done, or at worst is just a reprint of 8ths version, and drip feed it to us, then wrap it in FOMO, then overcharge it.

But sure, be excited for the literal manifestation of the joke/meme that people have been using to knock GW's model releases for the last three years. We GOT A NEW LT model! /q


I'm sorry you feel that way. If have such a negative experience with GW and the hobby, maybe you would benefit from taking a break from 40k for a little bit. I honestly don't mean that in any condescending way, but most of your posts in this thread for quite some time now have been you worrying about us getting a bad codex or no codex at all and that can't be healthy.

I'm not implying btw that GW is such a shiny example of a customer friendly company, but I don't think they are this evil, mustache twirling villain either like some make them out to be.
Would I like to see more new releases for us than "just" a new character? Yes, sure. But I can still be happy about a (hopefully) cool new model for our bananaboys.

Edit: just to get this clear, I'm also not implying that you can't or shouldn't be critical of GW or any other company for that matter, but it shouldn't dampen your enjoyment of the hobby in such a way that it's the main thing you associate with it.


Awesome, it's the patented "If you don't like the hobby, then leave" post. I did leave. I went to AoS. And it was much better, until GW dropped 3.0 and then refused to actually print copies of the new book that is required to play, and put the app with warscrolls behind a paywall. 9th is essentially the same. Now I'm being told "Rejoice! We are getting a new model!" And it's a LT!

I am honestly not sure why you are the complaint police all of the sudden. Every time I bash GW you show up and claim I'm over reacting. I fully admit I've been hyperbolic to an extreme in the past, but this is silly.


I don't think you fully read my post. I clearly did not phrase it in the way you describe it and I even clarified as much.


@Tiberias just igonre him.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I dunno, he looks like a basic custodian with a sword in a special mono-pose. I really don't see the point of a single sword model HQ/Elite unit. It's basically a completely pointless unit. Unless this thing hits like a mini-Belakor, he might be kinda useless in melee. Maybe they come with the ability to insert into larger units? I don't see the point of single model units for our army. Hey, maybe the GSC/C box set will only be 9 models, 8 GSC guys and one of these. That would be hilarious.


Dude, why are you always so pessimistic? Ive noticed that you always take the worst case stance on every subject on these boards. Those are crazy judgements based on zero information. We have a lo res picture of something and you already hate it? thats hilarious, actually.
   
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Finally:

"Codex: Adeptus Custodes

The Shadow Throne box also contains Sisters of Silence. That’s because the new Codex: Adeptus Custodes combines the Talons of the Emperor into one book, adding the psyker-killing power of the Silent Sisters to your Shield Host."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/30/warhammer-day-2021-take-the-fight-to-terra-itself-with-the-next-battle-box-and-codexes-for-warhammer-40000/

And they said in the stream:
Custodes are getting chapter tactic like army wide rules for the shield hosts.

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 nordsturmking wrote:
Finally:

"Codex: Adeptus Custodes

The Shadow Throne box also contains Sisters of Silence. That’s because the new Codex: Adeptus Custodes combines the Talons of the Emperor into one book, adding the psyker-killing power of the Silent Sisters to your Shield Host."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/30/warhammer-day-2021-take-the-fight-to-terra-itself-with-the-next-battle-box-and-codexes-for-warhammer-40000/

And they said in the stream:
Custodes are getting chapter tactic like army wide rules for the shield hosts.


Nice! What do you all think about the new model? I like the pose and especially the fuckhuge sword. Not that keen on the helmet though I must say. Also seems like he's going to be a melee blender character with three combat styles to choose from each combat.

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Tiberias wrote:
 nordsturmking wrote:
Finally:

"Codex: Adeptus Custodes

The Shadow Throne box also contains Sisters of Silence. That’s because the new Codex: Adeptus Custodes combines the Talons of the Emperor into one book, adding the psyker-killing power of the Silent Sisters to your Shield Host."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/30/warhammer-day-2021-take-the-fight-to-terra-itself-with-the-next-battle-box-and-codexes-for-warhammer-40000/

And they said in the stream:
Custodes are getting chapter tactic like army wide rules for the shield hosts.


Nice! What do you all think about the new model? I like the pose and especially the fuckhuge sword. Not that keen on the helmet though I must say. Also seems like he's going to be a melee blender character with three combat styles to choose from each combat.


I like the two handed sword but i don't like how he is so lightly armored. And the helm i am not sure wether i like it or not. I'll see hoe he looks with a warden helmet on.

Why didn't they call the book talons of the emperor, when it has sisters and custodes in it?
   
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I don't see any reason to actually get the model. You can make a convincing conversion from a shield captain.

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super cool. but.. is he a one off kinda lieutenant dude or will we be able to buy them squad wise in multiples?

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Scoundrel80 wrote:
super cool. but.. is he a one off kinda lieutenant dude or will we be able to buy them squad wise in multiples?


They described him as a character who can use multiple fighting styles to chop up different targets. So I guess he's just going to be a lone character unit.
   
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the exact wording is "who can switch between three different fighting styles to chop up any opponent, be they a colossal monster, a skilled leader, or a swarm of lesser creature", which indeed implies three profiles optimised for different targets. Im guessing a "sweep" syle with extra attacks, and a "stab" style with high damage and/or re-rolling wounds vs MONSTER or TITANIC threats.

the anti leader one might be intresting, theirs a lot of fun affects you could give this champion to mess with enemy characters. maybe a anti-aura debuff? enemy characters in engagement range do not grant their auras because they are too busy trying not to die? that would be Cool

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
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Also confirmed was a stand alone Sisters of Silence HQ choice.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Does anyone else find it weird that the new Lt. Model has a normal power sword instead of a Sentinel Blade?

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 cuda1179 wrote:
Also confirmed was a stand alone Sisters of Silence HQ choice.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Does anyone else find it weird that the new Lt. Model has a normal power sword instead of a Sentinel Blade?


nah, if they give him a standard sentinel blade, they are bound to the stat line of that blade, so its better to give him a "champion blade" with a different shape and whatever stats they wany.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
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So Custodes are finally gonna get some form of Bolter Discipline, right?

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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So Custodes are finally gonna get some form of Bolter Discipline, right?


thier getting...something. i think it will be subfaction/shield host bonus, ie if your whole force is Dread Host then you get X bonus, shadowkeepers get Y bonus, etc.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
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Is it true he's a named character? I think the Kirioth video mislabeled it? If its named then forget it being of value, because there can only ever be one on the field. If it's a unit choice, does that mean we can take squads or is it single model units?
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Is it true he's a named character? I think the Kirioth video mislabeled it? If its named then forget it being of value, because there can only ever be one on the field. If it's a unit choice, does that mean we can take squads or is it single model units?



named? no, thats a mislabel, i believe the new GSC model is a named character though.


the champion is a single character unit, though. I'd wager hes an elite slot, very much like a lot of similar characters are. you could in theory have two or three of them if you really wanted i suppose, but its unlikely that would be a optimal way to run them.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
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I think it's one of those: you can assemble him as a named character or a generic version of the same type of dude.
   
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So was the box confirmed? A squad of five sisters, one of these Elite guys, and 3 terminators? Did it show whether the sisters were sword or bolter?
   
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Looks like the rumors about a Custodes / GSC box were correct. The new character sounds interesting, I'm glad we're getting a champion character instead of a flat Lieutenant clone, although the helm looks a little off.

Really hope we see plastic SoS in the future.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So was the box confirmed? A squad of five sisters, one of these Elite guys, and 3 terminators? Did it show whether the sisters were sword or bolter?


Really hope we see plastic SoS in the future.



you guys know their is a multi part, plastic sisters kit right now, dont you? its on the GW store, £30, 5 sister box with all 3 weapon options included.


however, i think i might need to change my original statement about the champ being elite. As you've just pointed out, fezzik, if hes elite, then that box set has no leaders and its not a viable army, which would be at odds with pretty much ever other vs box they have done, so this champ must be a HQ choice.


that said, if hes the HQ choice.....who are the troops? these boxes normally have 500 point army for each side, but since at 500 points, you can only take a patrol detachment.....does that mean sisters are going to be troops?!?

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
Exporitor force kappa-Tercia 500pts Coven of XVth 1000pts
Western Host 1000 pts
 
   
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xerxeskingofking wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So was the box confirmed? A squad of five sisters, one of these Elite guys, and 3 terminators? Did it show whether the sisters were sword or bolter?


Really hope we see plastic SoS in the future.



you guys know their is a multi part, plastic sisters kit right now, dont you? its on the GW store, £30, 5 sister box with all 3 weapon options included.


however, i think i might need to change my original statement about the champ being elite. As you've just pointed out, fezzik, if hes elite, then that box set has no leaders and its not a viable army, which would be at odds with pretty much ever other vs box they have done, so this champ must be a HQ choice.


that said, if hes the HQ choice.....who are the troops? these boxes normally have 500 point army for each side, but since at 500 points, you can only take a patrol detachment.....does that mean sisters are going to be troops?!?


I've said this before some time ago, but my suspicion about sisters is this: they are going to be a troops choice, but with the same restriction as poxwalkers. So you can take one unit of sisters as troops for every custodes troop unit you have in your list.

The blade champion character will be a HQ in my opinion.
   
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Unless... Terminators are now troops. How cool would that be?

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Mad_Proctologist wrote:
Unless... Terminators are now troops. How cool would that be?


possible, i realised that after posting, and not entirely without precedent (grey knights, deathwing, deathwatch, etc). however, of the two units in, I would expect them to move Sisters to troops than allarus termies.

we will see.

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Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
Exporitor force kappa-Tercia 500pts Coven of XVth 1000pts
Western Host 1000 pts
 
   
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I do suspect sisters will be troops. I also suspect for a number of reasons that the character will be an HQ. Termies being troops is a long shot but hardly unreasonable. It would certainly make for some epic looking custodes armies.

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Oh I didn't realize there is finally a plastic sisters kit! That's great to know. I'm hoping they'll be a troop option in the future, I think the Poxwalker rule would be fair.
   
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Has there been any word on when we can pre-order?

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I really hope Wardens are given some reason to finally use them.

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Without being too negative here is my break down of what limited facts we know:

Pros

- Multi-attack profiles are a good thing (Granted it's just for the single unit/model, but right direction) ((Smash profile would still be S10, ap3 flat 3, sweep would possibly be double attacks, ap3 S5 d3. Still aweseom))
- A New HQ choice is good for variety, as right know it's three types of SC or a Broken BL linked pair of models that almost never get used.
- Sisters featuring a more prominent role: this is great for fluff and table top. Sisters are a key part of what we need: Psyker defense.

Cons:

- Currently only new model is an HQ that the non named version will possibly be an Elite slot? Given our overflowing Elite section, I don't see this working out well. (Need confirmation on this as rumors are getting too thick)
- No reveals/updates about SoS HQ choice, unless they plan on doing like the SC from a box of Guardians, where you can make one of your models of a box of sisters (5) into the HQ choice, which in turn invalidates that box of sisters, because they need a minimum of 5 to field, so 90 USD to field the HQ and a 9 model squad of sisters.
- New model look: Not a big fan. The first time I saw it I literally thought it was one of the Autobots from the Transformers movies. It looks like Bumblebee with his face shield up. Also, is one pauldron smaller than the other?

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/01/fight-for-the-fate-of-terra-with-the-two-incredibly-powerful-new-heroes-in-shadow-throne/

They've given the majority of the rules reveals for the Blade Champion in the latest Warcom article.

I feel like while he's versatile and has decent defensive stats (basically transhuman against hits rather than wound rolls), it's going to largely depend on his overall cost since his damage output is decent but not at a level where I think you'd take him since he's not mobile enough to be a consistent character or monster/vehicle hunter due being on foot and having to deal with all the -1D abilities flying about nowadays (outside of spending CP to deep strike him).

Also, really weird how they try making Ld11 for him to be a selling point somehow.

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 Grimskul wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/01/fight-for-the-fate-of-terra-with-the-two-incredibly-powerful-new-heroes-in-shadow-throne/

They've given the majority of the rules reveals for the Blade Champion in the latest Warcom article.

I feel like while he's versatile and has decent defensive stats (basically transhuman against hits rather than wound rolls), it's going to largely depend on his overall cost since his damage output is decent but not at a level where I think you'd take him since he's not mobile enough to be a consistent character or monster/vehicle hunter due being on foot and having to deal with all the -1D abilities flying about nowadays (outside of spending CP to deep strike him).

Also, really weird how they try making Ld11 for him to be a selling point somehow.



The Drukhari fight last ability is based on a fail LT test so it is useful against those things.

I really like the idea of the 3 fighting styles and the to-hit transhuman is great. his other rules sound decent too. And he is not a named char so you can probably give him a WL and a relic.
   
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I honestly like the rules. The fighting styles seem useful, but not overpowered.

I like the defensive rules. Hit rolls of 1-3 always failing is a cool new rule.
   
 
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