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Helldrake only looks great if your opponent happens to be bringing flyers. Otherwise, I don't think its that great honestly.
   
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It's not even so good against planes that it's worth taking. It's only -1AP so probably only gonna get 1 or 2 wounds through at 4D each. Probably better off hoping for the best firing a few lascannons at any planes you come up against

   
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Good morning folks, I've been enjoying some in-person games of 9e recently with my World Eaters and was wondering if anyone had any advice when it comes to using Daemon Engines to supplement forces of Berserkers.

I've had various success using Blood Slaughterers and Defilers (with the scourge) but with how killy things are nowadays they don't seem to last more than a turn or two. Curious if anyone has any general or specific advice when using these models.
   
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You could blow smoke on your defilers. Their WS is 4+ and gets worse if you advanced. Might as well forgo shooting and just blow smoke. If they are shooting at your defilers, I think its a good thing, because that means they aren't shooting at your Rhinos with berserkers. The Defiler is a great distraction unit.
   
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Very true, I use the scourge and then select the cheapest stock range options, I usually don't advance them because the board is so small there's a good chance of me getting charged and degraded on the first turn if I'm going second.

Biggest problem I've had with the Defilers so far is terrain. Mecha-crabzilla is wide and has some large spiky bits so it gets caught on terrain quite often.
   
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Yep, pop smoke with your defiler, it's shooting is just a bonus, you take it to wreck face.

   
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So, they have released the profiles and rules for the Mauler Fiend, forgefiend and Helldrake. So we can expect the same stats and rules for when the CSM codex comes out next year...

Not sure if I am super excited. Its definitely a buff, but is it enough? All the other vehicles like predators tanks, LR, and such had no change in the Tsons codex. Arguably, they are best now in a Tsons codex than anything else because Tsons gives them that 5++

Same for the hellbrutes. A Tsons Hellbrute is so much better than any other hellbrute because of the 5++. I doubt the CSM hellbrute will get that because 5++ is a Tsons thing.

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Is it enough for the Daemon Engines?

I'd say yes. The boost to their stats, and the Forgefiend's weapons, are great. I can only imagine that the Venomcrawler will get (other than a much needed boost to WS/BS).

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Played a game with my iron warriors the other night against necrons on very terrain heavy board. My army basically all Daemon engines and dreads with a sprinkling of oblits and termies. I did ok tbh but resilience wise CSM versus necrons is a terrible trade off, my terminators and leviathan unleashed everything into a warrior blob and then charged but they just reanimated almost the whole squad who then pulled out and let the whole army wipe my stuff out.

Overall I think we still have some play in dealing damage but just can't take a punch at all. Even with my toughest units on objectives they don't have a chance to hang on.
   
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Thoughts on exalted champions buffing Daemon engines in combat? The issue they have is no jump pack but if you could get him in near a maulerfiend/disco lord I think he could be quite good the rolling all wounds.

Thinking of maybe running a berserker squad with my IW and having the exalted champion in with them as a punchy combat unit to cause serious damage up close.
   
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That's a solid choice. I run World Eaters so Exalted Champions are a staple in my army. They're a good force multiplier especially with Berzerkers. I usually have mine riding on-top a rhino as it blitzes across the battlefield.
   
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Nice yeah I'm seriously considering it! Maulerfiend is always so disappointing for me unfortunately so looking to swap him out.
   
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Thinking of starting night lords. What would be a fun and semi thematic summoning for an average game? I know summoning isnt the best but it feels like such a unique and awesome mechanic I should at least do it a few times.
   
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Maulerfiend is going to get a big buff in the new book.

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Keramory,

The 3.5 CSM Codex let you include squads of Chaos Furies in your Night Lords armies. The Codex said that while Night Lords generally refuse to worship the Chaos Gods they do use Chaos as a tool. So the Codex said that Night Lords often go out and capture packs of Furies in the warp and then use them as needed.

I often ran a squad of 10 Furies in my 3.5 lists. They were a solid and fast light assault unit. I haven't used them since. Although in 8th and 9th sometimes I do set aside the points to summon a pack of Furies and then I forget to summon them.



Furies and Night Lords Raptors working in tandem on Xarius VII




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Okay, here's a crazy idea.

As IW - Leviathan Dreadnought, Warpsmith, Sorcerer, and Discolord roving in a pack.

Delightful Agonies for 5+ FNP, Diabolic Strength for a little bit more melee bite (but I think you can go double gun with the Discolord doing the melee), keep yourself full up with stratagems/warpsmith.

Thoughts?
   
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That's basically what I do now, but use a master of possession doing daemonsmith, cursed earth and the other good one to buff all the Daemon engines.
   
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Hello all !

I was thinking about beginning to build a EC army but when I asked at my FLGS I was told that the noise marine upgrade sprews sold by GW didn't fit on the current CSM kit.
I don't see how I could make my EC army without noise marines. Any advices ? For now I have the start collecting CSM box and a couple of Hellbrutes and rhinos from my TS army.

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DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
I don't see how I could make my EC army without noise marines. Any advices?
At this stage? Patience.

If they really are doing a World Eater book, then an Emperor's Children book wouldn't be far behind.

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I'm currently just painting up my backlog and using my Orks, pointless using the chaos book at the moment.
   
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DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Hello all !

I was thinking about beginning to build a EC army but when I asked at my FLGS I was told that the noise marine upgrade sprews sold by GW didn't fit on the current CSM kit.
I don't see how I could make my EC army without noise marines. Any advices ? For now I have the start collecting CSM box and a couple of Hellbrutes and rhinos from my TS army.
The upgrade sprues do fit, according to this article from GW:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/03/kit-bash-chaos-space-marines/


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I would honestly just wait for the proper 9th edition codex to come out. GW said next year would be a big year for Chaos. It will probably come with release of new plastic kits. And usually those new models or unit types will likely define the 9th ed CSM armies. So its better to wait.

Maybe there will be a proper new noise marine plastic range. Or a new Berserker range. A new EC terminator model kit, or a new WE terminator model kit. And a new EC or WE daemon Engine kit. A new EC or WE character kit etc etc.
   
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I mean yeah, anything could happen. Or, almost nothing could happen. We CSM players have been anticipating plastic cult marines and terminators for… I dunno, a decade.

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 ph34r wrote:
I mean yeah, anything could happen. Or, almost nothing could happen. We CSM players have been anticipating plastic cult marines and terminators for… I dunno, a decade.


Not exactly. Technically, Tsons and DG are cult marines. Rubrics, plague marines, blight lords, death shroud, Occult terminators. These are all cult marines and cult terminators and they are all relatively new and awesome looking plastic models.

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Ok yeah that is true, hmmm maybe I mean to say, for a while we had none of that. People thought we would get plastics of the cult marines and cult terminators. Instead we got thousand sons as a whole separate army, and then death guard as a whole separate army. If I had to bet, I would say that the day we get new plastic berserkers and khorne terminators is the day we get a daemon primarch angron model, and the day we get plastic noise marines and slaanesh terminators is the day we get a daemon primarch fulgrim. We thought we would get plastic cults in the CsM book, instead we have been getting full factions more slowly.

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What surprised me is that they introduced DG and Tsons before WE as I believe WE would be the most popular cult marine faction amongst the four. Maybe they are building up to WE. So, saving the most popular for last.
   
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 ph34r wrote:
If I had to bet, I would say that the day we get new plastic berserkers and khorne terminators is the day we get a daemon primarch angron model, and the day we get plastic noise marines and slaanesh terminators is the day we get a daemon primarch fulgrim.
And both these days will be good days.

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So, this was just to throw this out here. Been playing Tsons since the codex dropped. Rubric marines are amazing. Obsec, immune to morale, 2W, durable, can be temporal surged. They are the perfect troop choice.

So, anyone considered souping in Tsons? Why bother playing with 1W marines when we have such good rubric marines we can soup in?

Pay 3 CP for a bat detachment. Fill it up with Ahriman and 6 rubric marine squads. Suddenly, all of our terrible troop option problems are solved.

We can take a patrol or vangaurd or outrider, and just take a cultist or even one single CSM troop. Key thing is that this allows us to take and play the still ok CSM stuff without feeling we are playing with our hands tied behind our backs.

Be it an outrider Nightlords detachment, or an Iron Warriors Detachment, or even a World Eaters Detachment.

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If we're going that far, it's just a little bit farther to just play Thousand Sons and get their purity bonus.
   
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Rihgu wrote:
If we're going that far, it's just a little bit farther to just play Thousand Sons and get their purity bonus.


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