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The dreadclaw drop pod can move like any other unit. It has a move characteristic.

So the turn it deep strikes it does not cause any wounds. It can also charge?

warpedpig wrote:
So the turn it deep strikes it does not cause any wounds. It can also charge?

Yes, and yes.

So you could even use honor the prince stratagem and charge the drop pod on the turn it arrives? That’s nuts lol.

Eldenfirefly wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Hi guys,

are there currently any advice regarding starting into CSM beside ,don’t’? Everything I look ip about CSM looks damn grim. I have gathered some kits the last couple of weeks but am simply afraid to build them as CSM future seems so uncertain. I initially tought about converting the models into a Dornian Heresy Space Wolves but with the rumour about an upcoming WorldEater Standalone Tome I feel quite uncertain about it as I don’t know what units will be invalidated. Am I too grim on this? Has anyone maybe a tip how to get out of this frustrating state?

I had somewhat better chances when I went with soup. 1000 points into a Death Guard detachment and 1000 points into CSM. The 1000 points into DG gives you access to taking a core squad of DG terminators. If its deathshrouds, you get the bodyguard rule (everyone is abusing it, we might as well). Plus then you get some truly resilient infantry that even go up and fight in the center. Also, you get in heavy support plague burst crawlers, which are now our best tanks in the game (I say that with confidence). Now we get our own out of line of sight shooting too, and they have D3+3 damage entropy cannons. We can stop caring about our lascannons.

Then the 1000 points in our own CSM detachment we can outfit as we see fit. but at 60 points, I kind of like 3 squads of CSM now. Has armor 3+ and can at least fight well in close combat. And cheap so can throwaway to do objectives and actions and stuff. Similarly, we can take raptors. They are very cheap and can deep strike in, again to do actions like Retrieve Data or just charge and fight something.

So, now we have a resilient core of DG terminators that can bully the center if we wish. We got good tanks (PBC). We got cheap stuff to do actions, deep strike in all over the board and do objectives. The rest is up to you how you want to design your army then. But at least now we don't feel so fragile (DG adds a lot to our resilience). And CSM has the mobility and cheap stuff which DG lacks too. So its a good mix. We are a 8th edition codex, so we don't care about souping.

Gotta disagree with this heavily. If you want cheap bodies, you have to take advantage of the fact the CSM codex isn't limited on Cultists. The MEQ bodies as present aren't very worth it compared to even a Plague Marine. So what you SHOULD do is take advantage of Cultists and the tools available that aren't here for some reason, like Oblits. That'll depend on the list though. One time I took a suicide World Eater Terminator Lord that had the Red Butchers Strat to help support my Blight Lords in melee with incredibly minor success.

Is the Kharybdis assault claw going to be coming back for 9th edition use? I wanna drop a blob of 20 noise marines. But it seems it’s not even an option you can take right now.


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Is the Kharybdis assault claw going to be coming back for 9th edition use? I wanna drop a blob of 20 noise marines. But it seems it’s not even an option you can take right now.


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Yes, it is. It's a LoW now.

Damn 400 points. May as well just use 4 dreadclaw for a bit more and deploy even more troops turn 1.

Best say your goodbyes to Jump Pack Chaos Lords and Huron Blackheart. They're not long for this world.

warpedpig wrote:Damn 400 points. May as well just use 4 dreadclaw for a bit more and deploy even more troops turn 1.

Sure, if you can convince your opponent to let you ignore the Rule of 3.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Best say your goodbyes to Jump Pack Chaos Lords and Huron Blackheart. They're not long for this world.

AAAARRRERRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

I wouldn't count on units of 20 Noise Marines being around long either. It seems the number of the counting shall be 10. No more, but maybe less.

Pretty sure a new Huron is already on deck. A recent-ish preview showed an odd claw with an inbuilt flamer. It is a crying shame over the lord with maneuverability though. I imagine they want that to be strictly a Prince's domain

No one talking bout leaks yet?

 Dr.Duck wrote:
No one talking bout leaks yet?

While the leaks are fairly credible for how GW does its brilliant codex design, we have to keep in mind they're potentially test rules.

All that said, Red Corsairs will be the winner especially with the potential loss of Jump Pack Lords.

 Dr.Duck wrote:
No one talking bout leaks yet?

Mostly in the news & rumors thread about them. Already working on a few ideas but... hard to come up with much when I don't like what I'm seeing so far. Tzeentch chosen may be interesting at least, and the new cultists+mutants unit might end up being the go-to troops unit... if it is one.

Hmmm, what's everyone's thoughts on the new balance data slate? Its potentially huge for CSM. Our stuff are already cheap, and now they just got a lot more durable, with the armour of contempt buff.

Like a full out Red Corsairs army spamming 20 man CSM units that can advance and charge? At 12 points, you can pack easily 150 models of power armored CSM into an army. Imagine dealing with 150 obsec models with an effecftive 2+ armor save? lol

And like 30 Emperor's Children terminators with double lightning claws and icon of excess will delete stuff they charge, and now, after they kill stuff. They are sticking around! Because good luck trying to kill 10 of these terminators with effectively a 1+ save or a 0+ save if they charge into cover. (Who even needs the 5+ invul at this stage).

Also, with the buff to terminators. You can totally march Abbadon up the field protected by big bloc of teminators now. Those terminators are going to stick around long enough for Abbadon to reach the midfield where he will get to really wreck stuff with his awesome melee. Given that AP 0 is the same as AP1 now. Our bolters actually got "buffed". Abaddon giving reroll to all hits to 30 models of combi bolter + lightning claw black legion terminators marching up the midboard .. that's
120 bolter shots with reroll all hits. lol. And they will destroy whatever they touch once they charge into melee. (Not to mention Abby is with them).

And all our vehicles just got buffed. Like our Hellbrutes are so cheap and now they have an effective 2+ armor save with that armour of contempt. Same goes for our Venom Crawlers. Like 3 Hellbrutes + 3 Venomcrawlers are around 600+ points ? And that's a lot of wounds that now have an effective 2+ armor save. Even our Rhinos got tougher. You are going to need to put melta shots into them to get the job done. Small arms fire aren't going to do much against a Rhino unless you really pour a huge amount into them.

And our CSM troops are now far better than cultists now. Put 5 of those in cover on a back objective behind obscuring. They got a 1+ save against out of LOS shooting. those 60 points of CSM are sticking around.

I think people are under estimating how much Armour of Contempt buffs CSM. We had no problems with killing stuff, we were just fragile. Now we have gotten a huge boost to our armor saves.

It's not +1 to armor.

It's reduce AP by 1.

Regular CSM are still only 3+.

 JNAProductions wrote:
It's not +1 to armor.

It's reduce AP by 1.

Regular CSM are still only 3+.

Yes, but so many stuff have AP 1 or better these days its effectively a 2+. Only our own chaos factions are still rocking bolters with a AP0. And just stand them in cover. That will give them an effective 2+ armor save. Its easy.

Like how many people are running stuff with AP0 these days... other than CSM with our old bolters... lol

Also.....HERETIC ASTARTES....meaning one last "screw you" to FALLEN, who in addition to the turd that was the white dwarf release of a specialist detachment you cant use anywhere also don't get this rule either.

I don't wanna be that dude, but to expect any support for The Fallen is false hope.

Oh, I know. I've ceased being surprised and accepted that any fallen force will need to be a counts as for the foreseeable future.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
I don't wanna be that dude, but to expect any support for The Fallen is false hope.

Abandon the light of the Emperor and the light will never fall on you.

Seriously, would just count the Fallen keyword as Heretic Astartes for the purpose of determining Armor of Contempt.

In light of the recent Armour of Contempt rule, has the Night Lords' Stormbolt Plate artefact now become one of the best suits of armour in the game? A 2+ save that effectively ignores the first two points of AP seems pretty powerful, even if it's against shooting only.
I get that you can't stick it on a Daemon Prince and that you'll prefer your character to not get shot at all, but a 3+ save against plasma still beats a Lord's sigil of corruption, is better than a Sorcerer's termie armour save and could be a fun extra relic on a Greater Possessed.

And yeah, I know it's likely only a few weeks until our new codex gives us a whole new range of toys to play with, but CSM are my only army and I'm not shelving them until the book drops. And I play Night Lords half the time even though their Legion trait is, uh, sub-par.

I mean if you doing a Jump Lord and not taking a Relic Weapon, there's basically no reason not to take the Stormbolt.

Hey Guys, i just started with CSM Not because they get a new Codex, More because i like Chaos! (4K of TS) BTW when will the Codex arrive?

I got my Hand on some second Hand Deals and just Need a hint where to Go next.

I got:
1 Arch Lord
1 Sorc
1 Dark Apostel
1 Lord of Possession
4 Greater Opssessed
5 opsessed
20 marines
20 kultist
5 havocs
2 obliterators
1 venom crawler

I already owned for my TS:
1 helldrake
1 forgefiend
2 hellbrutes

I thought about 10 warptalons/Raptors
And 2 More obliterators,
But Could you help me out please!

Same question here! Im a BL player and have:

Lord of Chaos/Sorcerer on termi (Still wondering which should I choose)

-Lord of Chaos on servo (DV)

-Master of Possesion (SC)

-Warpsmith

-Dark Apostle

-5 very old chaos terminators (already rebased)

-12 old chaos space marines (four are zerkers in disguise)

-Hellbrute (DV)

-6 chosen (DV)

-20 cultists (DV) (and like, 30 more cultists kitbashed)

-5 raptors/warptalons (haven't decided which yet)

-Tons of cultists kitbashed

-5 fallen

-Venomcrawler (SC)

-10 new chaos space marines (SC)

-2 Greater Possesed (SC)

-2 oblits (SC)

-10 horrors of Tzeentch

-1 Herald

-1 Great Incinerator

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I have like 180 euros saved for new releases, but I was thinking, iS it any good souping with TS? I just love them too, and there are some guys here in Spain still selling the old Start Collecting. And Chaos Knights? Do I need more vehicles?

(btw, i. just waiting for that Demon Prince bcs hes going to be the lord of my army. If he doesnt come this summer, Ill buy Abaddon I guess)

Sounds like you both have a ton of stuff. Don't buy anything now, wait a few weeks for the book. You might possibly have everything you would actually want for an army list.

Not holding out hope even with the leaks out so far. Nothing seems that interesting.

Ok, now that the book full leaks is out, I am quite excited.

Am really bummed out with whats likely instore for Terminators. Loosing alot of options and I fear the old builds will not be available.

Really unfortunate because in this new meta of AOC a squat full of plas termis would have been likely a good answer.

So, just to clarify something.

The new Strategem Grandfather's Blessings now give transhuman to a Nurgle unit in CSM.

So, Plague Marines have Nurgle keyword and CORE right?

So, we can use this strategem to give our CSM plague Marines transhuman right?

And since the datasheet is taken from the DG codex ... that means all special weapons on plague marines remain free right?

Doesn't this make a big block of 10 plague marines in a CSM codex ridiculously good? Because all of their special weapons are free, and we can make them Transhuman... I mean, sure they are elites and not obsec, but we can just have a character with the new revamped relic Cloak of Conquest behind this unit. And now boom... the whole unit is now Obsec. Problem solved.