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Paint him up as such - that would be awesome!

(Including appropriate weapon conversion, of course!)

lol!

For completeness, the other two pics from today:

Hrm...You know, the more I look at it, the more I'm not so wild about the Reaver's horse. Still...it's an improvement over the Rage-ponies of yesteryear. The Reavers themselves are quite nice, though.

WTF? those Rats don't look like Monkeys!

I just noticed that the horse's backside is really tiny compared to the front.

Elven steeds have cute bottoms. It's their special power...

Jin wrote:Hrm...You know, the more I look at it, the more I'm not so wild about the Reaver's horse. Still...it's an improvement over the Rage-ponies of yesteryear. The Reavers themselves are quite nice, though.

Full agreed. I think a bit of green stuff to bulk out the underside of the horse where it's not covered by the barding will do the trick. Also needs some on the neck - there's no "throat" area on these models, it's just a head stuck on a triangular neck.

The riders look great, though, and I think they're salvageable.

Todays pics:

Want want.

Epic Swordmasters look epic.

The Island Of Blood set goes up for Advance Order next Tuesday. For those planning to buy it, how many are planning to buy more than one? How many are looking to trade one of the armies in it to double their models for the money?

I'm planning on getting 3, but I'm giving the skaven forces to my friends while I keep the high elves.

My friend who is thinking of getting into WHFB likes the look of the HE. I'll try to convince him of buying the pack so I can keep the Skavens.

I'll be buying for the High Elves, looking to swap someones HE for the skaven. Don't really want skaven haha.

Might be useful to have a pinned swapsy thread in the trading forum.

Munch Munch! wrote:I just noticed that the horse's backside is really tiny compared to the front.

Flashman wrote:Elven steeds have cute bottoms. It's their special power...

And I'm sure they tank you for noticing - it isn't easy keeping that figure you know!

Seriously though, these are some amazing plastics, and realyl set the bar high going forward.

We really, really, REALLY should NEVER see new releases that echo the abominations that are the new minotaurs and the Razorgor, ever again.

Really.

But are the horses from Toytown?
(for those of a certain age that remember larry the Lamb)

The forlegs have square knees and square sections

Alpharius wrote:We really, really, REALLY should NEVER see new releases that echo the abominations that are the new minotaurs and the Razorgor, ever again.

I'm still undecided on those figures. Since I got back into 40k last year Ive seen a fair few odd looking models and some real beauties, prety much like the old days. For me it shows how important the 'Eavy Metal painters are in the product chain as some of their reccent paint jobs have been very poorly thought out. The Minotaurs are a case in point - an average painter who paints them a dark colour and then gives them a wash of Devaln Mud wont find that the models stick out much from the rest of the army. the problem comes if peopel try to be clever and apply beastman sensibilities to the minotaurs in terms of large swathes of flesh. Back in the day Minotaurs and other furry beasties weren't covered all in fur texture and yet were painted as if they were covered in fur. A modern example if the hind quarters or the griffon from Island of blood. It has a smooth surface but will be painted to look like fur. If you apply the same principle to the Minotaurs and I dare say the Razogore then they wont look as bad as the official pics make them out to be.

For a more extreme example, look athow John Blanche paints his figures. They are the same models but the style of painting gives them a whole new look.

Also I am quite sure that there will be people who put the Griffon and the Rat Ogres from The Island of Blood in room 101 with the Minotaur and Razogore.

Bloodwin wrote:The Minotaurs are a case in point - an average painter who paints them a dark colour and then gives them a wash of Devaln Mud wont find that the models stick out much from the rest of the army. the problem comes if peopel try to be clever and apply beastman sensibilities to the minotaurs in terms of large swathes of flesh. Back in the day Minotaurs and other furry beasties weren't covered all in fur texture and yet were painted as if they were covered in fur. A modern example if the hind quarters or the griffon from Island of blood. It has a smooth surface but will be painted to look like fur. If you apply the same principle to the Minotaurs and I dare say the Razogore then they wont look as bad as the official pics make them out to be.

I've always found the "the minotaurs would look good if you only painted them to hide their details!" line of reasoning to be unconvincing. If I'm paying Porsche prices for luxury models, I shouldn't be confined to a certain painting scheme just to get a passable look from them.

Luckily, the Isle of Blood minis don't appear to have that problem. They appear to look good painted and unpainted, which means they'll probably look good regadless of how light/dark you paint them.

The new Minotaurs on close inspection are great looking models and large too. Just don't over-emphasize the shading on them like that horrid picture on the GW website. Like the Giant kit they are large enough and have deep enough sculpting that they actually have some natural shadows on them, so you need to do subtle shading instead of exaggerating it as is the norm for smaller models.

I really,really dislike the rat ogres. The older rat ogres IMO were much more furious, and ogre-like, rather than a cartoony, giant armed thing with a tiny hamster head.

As much as I despise the high elves, I think those models look great. It's just the skaven.. the non-helmeted heads look like screaming hamsters. I know I will get alot of negative responses, but I really believe the mono posed plastic skaven from back when looked much more like rats, although they weren't as skinny.

I love those Rat Ogre models so much that I am thinking of running them as Razorgors or unit fillers in my Minos in my Beastmen army...

Ram: The older skaven were indded more bulky and rat like.
I think GW have changed them alot though for a reason.
Going way back when to the mono-pose 3 parters (model, shield, base) they were more warrior like with the pose and size.

I think they now want to make them look a bit weaker and more panicked, rather than well trained uniformed warriors.

I agree on the Rogres aswell.
They will be getting head swaps to the multi-part Rogre heads.


As bad as night runners looked when they got released, they now look tons better next to the new skaven.




Set wise though i think ill be buying 2-3 sets, then grabbing more parts from ebay (poisoned wind mortar, thrower etc etc)

I will be buying/splitting at least 2 box sets possible more of them depending on how many people want to get high elves. If I get multiples I will probably keep 2 books and 2 full sets of Rats and any more than that I will probably sell the Characters and extra books. :-P Yay E-bay and Bartertown.

I don't even play High Elves or Skaven and I'll be getting at least one of those boxes for myself. 1 for the mini rule book (there is one in the box right?), 2 because of the Skaven models (in my opinion the entire new range are amongst the best models in 40k and WHFB and 3 because the wheels in my head have started turning as far as how to convert that AWESOME Griffon into an Abyssal Terror for VC.

@Warboss Imbad: Yeah, a mini rulebook's included. It's in full colour as well.

A Black Ram wrote:I really,really dislike the rat ogres. The older rat ogres IMO were much more furious, and ogre-like, rather than a cartoony, giant armed thing with a tiny hamster head.

As much as I despise the high elves, I think those models look great. It's just the skaven.. the non-helmeted heads look like screaming hamsters. I know I will get alot of negative responses, but I really believe the mono posed plastic skaven from back when looked much more like rats, although they weren't as skinny.

they obviously liked Mr Hyde in "the league of extraordinary gentlemen".

Todays pics:












(proof that the 200 pages mini rulebook includes the reference section)

The FLGS is getting their demo copy in today, but were told by their rep that they are totally forbidden from showing it to anyone until next week. I just find that completely amusing given we've already seen EVERYTHING in it. Although I'm surprised they've got the white templates in it. Doesn't the 40k starter come with the better green ones?