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I didn't mind the metal models terribly, but I guess resin is a fair amount easier to put together. I'll perhaps pick-up skulltaker in the next week or so to see what all the fuss is about.

I think it's a tad too early to make concrete decisions.

I do agree with the FW sentiment though, in the sense that I expect this 'finecast' malarkey to be of greater quality.

It would be interesting to see how some of the new TK sculpts come out in 'finecast' resin compared with the old metal molds. (in terms of fiddly sprue pieces)

Kilkrazy wrote:
Second, FW models are marketed as specialist items for experienced modellers who should expect to have the skills and motivation to deal with some complications in assembly.

Whereas, GW Finecast is being marketed as the Second Coming.

That is the biggest problem, for me.

The hyperbole about how super-special awesome game changing these things are going to be is bound to cause disappointment when the real product is revealed as anything but.

I suppose they felt the need to hype it up given the price increase that accompanied it, but still...

The plus points of resin are (1) it's lighter, and needs less pinning, (2) it cements instantly with Super Glue, and (3) because of 1 and 2 it can be assembled quickly without supports and so on.

The downside is that you have to be exact about how you position the part when you cement it, as it will bond instantly.

HAZZER wrote:It's worth getting next months white dwarf.(I received it today through the post subscriptions do have there advantages!)..But it is pack with the info about the Citadel Finecast stuff and the battle report of the century..

Spoiler:

...its Eldar against their dark kind (Dark Eldar)!!!

...And a what the boxes will look like...

Spoiler:

...there's a picture on the front and a view of the sprew on the back...

...I honestly prefer the newest ones.

So... a battle report, and some pictures that are already all over the internet? And I can pay for it, you say? Sounds like an awesome deal!

The part about the Finecast box back showing the sprue is news to me.

insaniak wrote:

HAZZER wrote:It's worth getting next months white dwarf.(I received it today through the post subscriptions do have there advantages!)..But it is pack with the info about the Citadel Finecast stuff and the battle report of the century..

Spoiler:

...its Eldar against their dark kind (Dark Eldar)!!!

...And a what the boxes will look like...

Spoiler:

...there's a picture on the front and a view of the sprew on the back...

...I honestly prefer the newest ones.

So... a battle report, and some pictures that are already all over the internet? And I can pay for it, you say? Sounds like an awesome deal!

and here I think we have the reason for the changes to WD subscription and not releasing anything until a week before it is due. Protecting the revenue stream from WD.

fullheadofhair wrote:

and here I think we have the reason for the changes to WD subscription and not releasing anything until a week before it is due. Protecting the revenue stream from WD.

...I do believe you're on to something here!

I like the way people have said "they're no better than the metal figures" without showing a side-by-side comparison to actually prove it to everyone else!

According to our redshirt it's far more robust than FW resin; this was demonstrated at head office to the store managers by dropping a finecast Azhag off the side of the table, whereupon the model bounced It took a day of these demostrations for the first peice to break off. Obviously I expect everyone to take this with salt as I was told it by a redshirt, but if it's true then it is a big improvement over existing GW metal and FW resin figures.

fullheadofhair wrote:and here I think we have the reason for the changes to WD subscription and not releasing anything until a week before it is due. Protecting the revenue stream from WD.

It's certainly a more productive solution than including worthwhile content.

Hmmm believe the redshirt or tip a £55 model over the edge of a table to see if he's wrong...?

nectarprime wrote:The flash doesn't look any worse than alot of other GW plastic models. Can't wait to pick up a new resin model.

I've never seen a GW model with that much flash on it.

nectarprime wrote:I find it funny that people defend FW's parts coming to customers all warped and disfigured and they act like it's acceptable, but GW models have a little flash on them and everyone is up and arms about it.

No on defends FW. FW has no quality control to speak of and there are always threads about the misfortunes people have had with them.

Hmmm...Well what i want to know is, as they are making many models into resin instead of metal, how come the price has gone up? I thought the cost of the resin finecast models would be far cheaper than making the models out of metal? is the price only going up because they are changing the packaging?

Just went to my local GW and they have put up posters for the new releases. Going to pester the manager all day for info.

Hopefully he is open and honest.

The price rise is justified because these are the best models ever produced in the history of model making.

/sarcasm ????

Slinky wrote:The price rise is justified because these are the best models ever produced in the history of model making.

Sarcasim? Becuase their are other companys who have made better minitures at a far better price.

TheGentleman wrote:Hmmm...Well what i want to know is, as they are making many models into resin instead of metal, how come the price has gone up? I thought the cost of the resin finecast models would be far cheaper than making the models out of metal? is the price only going up because they are changing the packaging?

Because GW are a corrupt company who have nothing but contempt for their fans. With any luck, and when all is said and done, this 'Finecost' nonsense will be just another turn on their slow death spiral.

Alpharius wrote:
The hyperbole about how super-special awesome game changing these things are going to be is bound to cause disappointment when the real product is revealed as anything but.

Just take a look at SmackyCat's post on page 22. That sums it up quite well. Seems all they really did was give the metals the FW treatment. If they hadnt gone uber-hype on the things then people might have accepted it.

However, anyone who doesnt have experience with FW stuff and buys the finecast as their first resin models...well I think there will be a lot of "WTF is this " going on.


From what Ive seen they arent any worse than the metals. Every metal Ive ever bought from any manufacturer had some trimming that needed to be done.

Alpharius wrote:The hyperbole about how super-special awesome game changing these things are going to be is bound to cause disappointment when the real product is revealed as anything but.

I guess that despite GW’s wish that the web would simply go away they have learnt the fine art of Internet Hyperbole.

Games Workshop Limited: Finecast is more popular than Jesus!

HAZZER wrote:(I received it today through the post subscriptions do have there advantages!)

Yeah, until the WD subscription system changes, and you get your WD a week after everyone else.

EDIT: And by "everyone else" I mean the 4 people that still buy WD in stores.

For everyone, Kirby has reviewed the Lord Draigo finecast resin:

http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/05/citadel-finecast.html

Enjoy!

Now there are some out "in the wild" I look forward to seeing some side-by-side comparisons with the old metals.

Frankly, I expect to see little to no difference.

From the blog linked above, "air bubbles" are mentioned. Hmm.

Hoooooly gak, the part where the resin is so thin you can see through Crowe's cape: that's bad. I would be pissed if I paid top dollar for that model, believing that I was buying a resin cast miniature blessed by the Son of God himself of course, and saw that upon opening the box.

I too predict lots of miscasts and lots of calls to customer service.

And yeah, I'm not a dumbass, I realize you could probably just smooth GS over it and it would be good to go, but seriously, when the product is being marketed as "the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen", stuff like that is just inexcusable.

I wonder if we are going to see increased quality of finecast, when we start to see models designed for it.
So far, it just seems to be things that were designed in metal, and likely using Metal moulds for the Finecast.

I'm hoping there will be a difference, but we will see.

Sasori wrote:...and likely using Metal moulds for the Finecast.

They're not using the moulds from the metals. The pics we've seen so far of the finecast, they've been on mini-sprues. So new moulds, just made (presumably) from the same (or slightly altered) masters.

Just been blocked by Games Workshop on their facebook page for complaining about prices!

They really need to learn how to deal with criticism rather than just deleting their opposition. Starting to feel like their facebook page is a dictatorship rather than a place for freedom of speech

Well I know this for sure. No matter how many air bubbles, flash, and mold lines that are on these, the fact that the boss pole on a ork can be bent and not break...well that is just cool. I have always hated it when bitz like a boss pole snap off if you breathe on them funny.

As stated by Gonads/KK in other threads: Write a letter detailing your problems and where your cash will now be flowing.

Don't go and complain on their facebook page. Internet critism is probably not given credence because it's so easy to do.

lunarman wrote:... rather than a place for freedom of speech

Er... what?

They're entirely within their rights to decide what remains on their own page. Whether or not deleting overly negative comments is a good idea or not is down to personal view ... but it's nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech entitles you to say what you want without fear of persecution. It doesn't entitle you to walk into someone else's house and abuse them without them having any say in the matter.

While people are understandably upset about all the recent shenanigans, let's all try to keep a little perspective and remember that this is ultimately about toy soldiers.

Medium of Death - you didn't see the letter my friend sent to Mark Wells and the response he got on the "GW Respond To Our Complaints On Facebook" thread?

A two line response that can be summed up as "suck it up".

Surprised I haven't been banned from GW's FB yet.....