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I just need a Fishing Gaffe to deal with the prisoners.

actually thinking pepper spray..........

Got any hemp seed? That's a must for any survival scenario.

There's more to it than meets the eye, all ferriers file the outer hoof, err most, to remove burrs increase strength and stave off cracking. But a good ferrier watches the horse first, it's gait and stride and then looks at the old shoe or hoof and tries to figure out what the horse needs. I'm by no means an expert but in a pinch I could shoe a horse, fix a cracked hoof or do a natural polish job, but for the more "artistic" parts of the ferriers trade I'd be useless.


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Joey wrote:Got any hemp seed? That's a must for any survival scenario.

I could give two gaks about smoking it. But as an agricultural product it's hard to beat cannibis, I am and always have been more than a little irked about how and why it became illegal, and how much money we spend to keep it that way. So that being said, if you look you can find hemp growing in a ditch in ever state, getting seeds won't be an issue the question is how do we use it.

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Joey wrote:Got any hemp seed? That's a must for any survival scenario.

I could give two gaks about smoking it. But as an agricultural product it's hard to beat cannibis, I am and always have been more than a little irked about how and why it became illegal, and how much money we spend to keep it that way. So that being said, if you look you can find hemp growing in a ditch in ever state, getting seeds won't be an issue the question is how do we use it.

Indeed cannabis would be an invaluable cash crop post-apocalypse. I'd get some silk worms, too. And a deposit of spices/herb seeds. Oh and lots and lots and LOTS of paper and pencils/pens for all that book-keeping. Ka-ching!

Hemp will provide you with paper and ink, guncotton, cordage, clothing, even biodiesel although I believe that it's not the best way to obtain biodiesel.

hemp is very useful, aye. But cannabis is a different plant, useful only for smoking.
Pretty much any plant that would be in high demand would be worth stockpiling, really.

I suppose hemp in one form or another will come in handy sooner or later but its hardly a "must need."

Not sure pepper spray would be highly available after the end of the world. I think it would be easier just to have some people guard them chain gang style; with a scatter gun and a bloodhound.

You don't particularly need someone highly skilled to do it either, all they have to do is stand around and keep track of how many prisoners they're responsible for, of course they also need to be able to hold a gun without blowing their own foot off but I'm sure everyone will learn how to do that eventually.

No hempsmoking during duty hours. off duty and no threats about then smoke yourself out but make sure you turn your weapons to the night shift leader.

Joey wrote:hemp is very useful, aye. But cannabis is a different plant, useful only for smoking.
Pretty much any plant that would be in high demand would be worth stockpiling, really.

generally speaking hemp is cannabis indica, and the plant grown for smoking is cannabis sativa. But "cannabis" refers to both.

WARORK93 wrote:I suppose hemp in one form or another will come in handy sooner or later but its hardly a "must need"

I have to disagree. Having a hardy plant capable of growing with no fertilizer in nearly any climate zone that can provide durable hard wearing clothing, rope, and explosives kind of tops out on my "must have" list.

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WARORK93 wrote:I suppose hemp in one form or another will come in handy sooner or later but its hardly a "must need"

I have to disagree. Having a hardy plant capable of growing with no fertilizer in nearly any climate zone that can provide durable hard wearing clothing, rope, and explosives kind of tops out on my "must have" list.

I'm sure that it has its applications, I just meant that there are other things that probably come before it on the survival list...

Also I admit that I thought you were talking about marijuana...

Be warned....better be use to eating bark chips when the munchies hit

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AustonT wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:I suppose hemp in one form or another will come in handy sooner or later but its hardly a "must need"

I have to disagree. Having a hardy plant capable of growing with no fertilizer in nearly any climate zone that can provide durable hard wearing clothing, rope, and explosives kind of tops out on my "must have" list.

I'm sure that it has its applications, I just meant that there are other things that probably come before it on the survival list...

Also I admit that I thought you were talking about marijuana...

Most of the stuff that might come before it I already have, outside of our fortress Dakka scenario I have a cabin wired for electricity and propane but built in an era before either, so I also have a wood range and whale oil lanterns (don't ask), a fresh water hand well, a horse, a tractor, a horse plough, non engineered seeds, a windmill ...you know...stuff. It's not actually a post Apoc setup...just stuff my family needed to survive once upon a time(the 90's). I call it a cabin, but it's the house I grew up in.
Hemp is a durable sustainable crop, not to be depended upon for food, but if you have a go to hell plan it should be included. You can plant it in rotation with corn, wheat, or cotton because it doesn't zap the soil like they do and you can till under what you dont need.

How good of a trade material will it be? Think every survivor group going to growing their own stock...well individuals will. I say we flood the "market" to corner the trade and go on from there

It's a diverse product, the trade value of raw hemp is pretty low, but trade products like burlap, canvas, twine,paper, ink and rope would command a middling value, finished products like tents, clothes, rucksacks, books, and footwear would command a high trade value

MOre then likely have plenty of idle times on our hands. Guess we all be practicing how to mae footwear and stuff first. I think my issu boots will last two years with hard use....6 pairs of boots. Think I throw in two pairs of issue boots to sweeten a pot for a trade to. Not including all the issue winter boots I have and never worned

We talking black or sand?

Sand but I do have over ten pairs of black boots. Five of those are Cocharan jump boots, two sets jungle, and three sets of the reg. boots.

Of the five sets of cocharans 2 sets are the field jump boots.

...you and I appear to be of a type. I also prefer Jumpers I've got 3 hard sides and 1 of the field type. I must be weird but until we went to ACUs I couldn't stand jungles, those leather soles and hard sides should last years even under yards use. If pressed you could make similar boots with two or three layers of waterproofed canvas and either leather or laminated canvas soles.


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My ACU issue though...I give em 3-4 months at the most

Velcro on them goes to Hell. With all the sweat and hard use tears in 5 months. I ripped out so many croutches its not funny

AustonT wrote:It's a diverse product, the trade value of raw hemp is pretty low, but trade products like burlap, canvas, twine,paper, ink and rope would command a middling value, finished products like tents, clothes, rucksacks, books, and footwear would command a high trade value

Depends how much space we have. I assume this is in America where everyone has dozens of acres of land to do with what they will. If it's Europe then yeah, it's pointless.

Jihadin wrote:Be warned....better be use to eating bark chips when the munchies hit

Only if you're a teenager on your friend's couch. When you're older it'd probably be of benefit. If you were standing watch while you were high you'd notice everything. I startle myself at the sound of the fabric in my clothes moving when I'm high. It'd definately be easier to spot someone sneaking up

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WARORK93 wrote:I suppose hemp in one form or another will come in handy sooner or later but its hardly a "must need"

I have to disagree. Having a hardy plant capable of growing with no fertilizer in nearly any climate zone that can provide durable hard wearing clothing, rope, and explosives kind of tops out on my "must have" list.

I'm sure that it has its applications, I just meant that there are other things that probably come before it on the survival list...

Also I admit that I thought you were talking about marijuana...

I was. Then someone mentioned actual hemp and I pretended to be talking about this. They'd both be lucrative crops in a survival situation, though. Everyone loves getting high, and everyone loves having paper/clothes/rope. Especially useful if we were near the sea (part of the reason the Netherlands is so big on dope is because their large navy needed lots of rope, i.e. hemp)

TBH, getting high isn't really on my to do list. What's the deal on personal possessions then? Communal huts kind of deal for accomodation?

You smoke it if you want. Off duty and at a time with no clear threat near. I highly doubt yu want to smoke dope while on duty with a loaded weapon. If the weapon goes off the perception of not having a clear head is there

Those stigmas are for people that smoke once in a blue moon, real smokers would have no problems smoking on the job...but i personally would not chief before any work hours . Also say the base was in a hazy cloud the second an alarm was tripped the adrenaline flowing would snap all but the most pie eyed people out of it.

I will say this though, in a stressful and bleak situation pot will be very useful in maintaining a somewhat healthy morale.

We've a couple of brits churning out booze from the stills to

Jihadin wrote:You smoke it if you want. Off duty and at a time with no clear threat near. I highly doubt yu want to smoke dope while on duty with a loaded weapon. If the weapon goes off the perception of not having a clear head is there

Fine by me as long as there's also a rule of no drinking on duty whatsoever. Alcohol is a far more dangerous substance than cannabis in all ways.
What's the policy on smoking cigarettes on duty? I'd assume it'd usually be okay as long as you weren't supposed to be concealed or under cover etc.


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Jihadin wrote:We've a couple of brits churning out booze from the stills to

I don't want to drink any dangerous gak. We'll need to figure out how to produce booze safely, don't want half the men going blind just before an attack.
Also, alcohol, and all luxury goods, should be strictly rationed.
The officers who dole it out should drink very little, if at all, in order to maintain respect and prevent accusations of hoarding.
Enough alcohol for a cummunal celebration once a week, yes. But we don't want cheep booze flooding around and turning the men to drink.

Not to you Joey

Didn't we cover this a few page back?

I don't drink, i'll be your superiors (yes, all of them).

what?

I'm pretty sure everyone will keep others in check. Safety a huge issue so that'll be a huge driving issue to ensure everyone doesn't screw the Hell up