Boston Marathon Bombing Discussion

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**Bullockist**

sorry about indefinitely I'm having issues with that word atm causing the word to join my 2 word dyslexia with "alot" and "their"

I'm curious as why you need to declare the bomber "an .... combatant" when you can just declare them a terrorist and hit them with the book anyways.

**Grey Templar**

Except he's also a citizen, which complicates things.

**Breotan**

Bullockist wrote:
I'm curious as why you need to declare the bomber "an .... combatant" when you can just declare them a terrorist and hit them with the book anyways.

We can let the military or CIA interrogate him if he's designated an enemy combatant. We can even have him prosecuted in a military tribunal then. Without that designation, he's entitled to the full protection of the Constitution like every other US citizen.

**Jihadin**

Except he's also a citizen that survived the shoot out, which complicates things.

Fixed.

If he was label enemy combatant then we could of interrogate him for info. Obama made the right call. The kid has no pertinent info to give
us. Older brother though on the other hand.......

edit
Breotan beat me......

**Ouze**

Breotan wrote:
Bullockist wrote:
I'm curious as why you need to declare the bomber "an .... combatant" when you can just declare them a terrorist and hit them with the book anyways.
We can let the military or CIA interrogate him if he's designated an enemy combatant. We can even have him prosecuted in a military tribunal then. Without that designation, he's entitled to the full protection of the Constitution like every other US citizen.

Indeed, the framers were very clear when they put the phrase "enemy combatant" in the constitution for when we decide the rest of the document is too damn onerous. George Washington in particular knew that sometimes you have to throw people in an offshore gulag without ever charging them with a crime to preserve democracy.

**Jihadin**

Thanks Ouze. You broaden my intellect. I actually looked up how british prisoners were kept by the Continental Army. Paroled to US Farmers to help in planting and harvesting the crops. Back then though an individual "honor" was taking seriously. American prisoners though were kept on prison ships.

**Monster Rain**

Ouze wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Bullockist wrote:
I'm curious as why you need to declare the bomber "an .... combatant" when you can just declare them a terrorist and hit them with the book anyways.
We can let the military or CIA interrogate him if he's designated an enemy combatant. We can even have him prosecuted in a military tribunal then. Without that designation, he's entitled to the full protection of the Constitution like every other US citizen.

Indeed, the framers were very clear when they put the phrase "enemy combatant" in the constitution for when we decide the rest of the document is too damn onerous. George Washington in particular knew that sometimes you have to throw people in an offshore gulag without ever charging them with a crime to preserve democracy.

It's right there under women's suffrage and how many votes non-white people count as.

Which is, of course, to say that the Constitution is still a work in progress. Appealing to the intent of the framers is a common rhetorical tactic in these circumstances, but it is really a much more complicated issue.

**d-usa**

Jihadin wrote:
Thanks Ouze. You broaden my intellect. I actually looked up how british prisoners were kept by the Continental Army. Paroled to US Farmers to help in planting and harvesting the crops. Back then though an individual "honor" was taking seriously. American prisoners though were kept on prison ships.

Interesting (at least for me) side note:

There were quite a few Prisoner of War camps in Oklahoma during World War 2 and of course lots of Germans there. While prisoners here they would be send out to farms and such to help with the labor since the usual labor force was busy fighting the other Germans. Quite a few of the prisoners like what they found here and after the war was over they returned here with their families to settle down.

**KalashnikovMarine**

"Hilda my love! I have returned from my long captivity in America with wondrous news! It's not frozen and/or shelled into oblivion there!"

**d-usa**

I'm fairly certain they are covered.

That doesn't mean that people choose to get them though.

**Jihadin**

German prisoners were treated quite nicely here in the US. They even were allowed to apply to colleges and have course conducted on camps for them to complete their education. Some of the escapes I read were pretty funny. From one incident they had one prisoner that was quite daring and creative in his escape. Only to be picked up at the bar 2 hrs later. He was not a threat and the guards took their time retrieving him from the bar since the bar was run by a german american that sold Hefewiezen

Basically the bar owner will call the camp and tell them "Heinz is here"

**CptJake**

Jihadin wrote:
German prisoners were treated quite nicely here in the US. They even were allowed to apply to colleges and have course conducted on camps for them to complete their education. Some of the escapes I read were pretty funny. From one incident they had one prisoner that was quite daring and creative in his escape. Only to be picked up at the bar 2 hrs later. He was not a threat and the guards took their time retrieving him from the bar since the bar was run by a german american that sold Hefewiezen Basically the bar owner will call the camp and tell them "Heinz is here"

Conversely, the Germans that snuck in for purposes of sabotage and mayhem causing were NOT treated as nicely. In fact they were tried by a military tribunal and sentenced to death (though two had their sentence commuted to lesser penalties). Oh, and there were a couple American citizens in the group...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius

**Ouze**

A prison boat sounds like a pretty substantial downgrade from a regular prison.

**djones520**

Ouze wrote:
A prison boat sounds like a pretty substantial downgrade from a regular prison.

They were. British Prison Boats were almost death traps.

**reds8n**

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313870/Sunil-Tripathi-Police-body-missing-college-student-falsely-accused-Boston-Marathon-bomber-internet-sleuths.html

..haven't heard the end of this I reckon.

**infinite_array**

Well, looks like a good reason to shut Reddit down. As if we needed any more of those.

**Dreadclaw69**

reds8n wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313870/Sunil-Tripathi-Police-body-missing-college-student-falsely-accused-Boston-Marathon-bomber-internet-sleuths.html

..haven't heard the end of this I reckon.

This is why I don't have any tolerance for those Anonymous members and Redditors who were posting pictures online and trying to get their Junior G-Man badges when the pictures were obviously of different people. Now it looks like their haste to "do something" may have caused a lynch mob to target an innocent person.

**djones520**

The guy had been missing for a month prior to the bombing. I doubt an internet lynch mob was responsible for his death.

**Ouze**

Too bad he was found dead, although I suppose it's better then never being found.

**Dreadclaw69**

That'll teach me not to read the full article while multi-tasking

**Ouze**

In an update to the main topic, the Boston Bomber who died is being refused a funeral from his mosque.

**Frazzled**

good deal.

**purplefood**

Seems reasonable.

**Grey Templar**

Now if only we can spread that attitude.

**MeanGreenStompa**

I'm watching the service for Sean Collier and it's very moving.

Biden was particularly impressive. Angry and impressive.

**Monster Rain**

I'm glad he's fired up.

A lot of people are angry out there. He's a good contrast to the more stoic, composed Obama that we've seen.

**Asherian Command**

Experiment 626 wrote:
On a rather halarious yet epic-facepalm note, it seems our new 'Chief Idiot in Waiting' has discovered the root causes of terrorisim itself:

Yep, that's right! Terrorists are just lonely, excluded people and it's society's fault for excluding them!
So the next time you see a lonely excluded terrorist, go give them a big hug and make them feel included in our society! (note: country may still explode around you, despite trying to make terrorists feel included & welcomed by society...)

This so-called theory of corse, has been debunked by pretty every think-tank & intel angency as being nothing but junk science.
As the surviving brother has communicated to Federal investigators, he and his brother were motivated by religious reasons as a main factor for planning and carrying out the bombings.

What?

No thats not even what? No they are terriorists because they are not liking the way the world is changing and they want it to go back to when it was. They call tech evil.

**Jihadin**

..haven't heard the end of this I reckon.

Red...I couldn't let this go by.....

Couldn't get more country then that. Your frat name is now "Country"

Don't make me get Bluto to back me up...

**Ouze**

As a minor update to this story:

They haven't released the body still

"-- Investigators are looking into the possibility Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- who was married with a young daughter, whom he frequently cared for while his wife worked as a home health aide -- may have helped finance the bomb plot through illegal drug sales, according to a source familiar with the investigation." Man Relapse is going to love that.

The used a remote detonator based on a radio control car.

No link to a source since of course, it's CNN and they could be just making it up.

**Monster Rain**

Ouze wrote:
As a minor update to this story:

They haven't released the body still

"-- Investigators are looking into the possibility Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- who was married with a young daughter, whom he frequently cared for while his wife worked as a home health aide -- may have helped finance the bomb plot through illegal drug sales, according to a source familiar with the investigation." Man Relapse is going to love that.

I smell cognitive dissonance.

I mean, if it's true, it's pretty much proof that Relapse was right in some sense. Not sure what provoked the petty slap at another poster, but since you did it I think it's open for discussion.