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Really Star Trek feeling episode. Rescue a space whale like you've got a mission other than blowing up Klingons, time shenanigans, humour, members of the crew acting as if they actually like each other... Fun! Best episode yet, by miles.
Really Star Trek feeling episode. Rescue a space whale like you've got a mission other than blowing up Klingons, time shenanigans, humour, members of the crew acting as if they actually like each other... Fun! Best episode yet, by miles.
So you're saying that they started ripping off The Orville?
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Really Star Trek feeling episode. Rescue a space whale like you've got a mission other than blowing up Klingons, time shenanigans, humour, members of the crew acting as if they actually like each other... Fun! Best episode yet, by miles.
So you're saying that they started ripping off The Orville?
Haven't seen that, and don't wanna. Entirely because of Seth 'smug git of the year award since forever winner' McFarlane is involved, and I can't stand him.
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Yuk, my least fav episode so far. If this was their attempt at a bottle episode in homage to stand alone sci fi episodes, then they really need to stick to the main plot and arc.
TNG Cause and Effect it definitely was not.....
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It was strange how it was still Burnham-centric. In other series I think that would have been a Stamets episode. It was his weirdness that saved the day but somehow it still ended up being Burnham. I guess it's more like TOS in that way than the other series.
Multiple comments that no human can survive six months of Klingon torture
Multiple comments that no human can beat a bunch of Klingons in hand to hand
The captain grilling him on his life and catching small inconsistencies (you're from 28 Km outside Seattle!)
Someone pointing out he's very tall
And for me the big one... Klingon hisses and growls as he disintigrated
I think there's more but I saw lampshades everywhere. Keep in mind that per the Tribble episode Klingons had deep cover agents in the federation surgically altered to look human.
All that being said, I really like the time warp episode (but for letting Mudd go, I mean really?)
Last episode was one of the best imo. Had some actual Star Treking, some discovering, some diplomacy, some character development and they still found time for a space battle.
The last episode was surprisingly too. It was like a season Finale.
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Really didn't think the Klingon Big Bad would die there. Figured it would be tha end of the season at least but I'm glad it's not being predictable. And ya....the new chief of security it totally a Klingon. They even showed them doing surgery on his forehead. That would have been enough for the old style Klingons but they must have mixed in some human DNA because this batch of Klingons skull is even different shaped. Also, I'm guessing we have just spore jumped into the dark mirror universe.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: The last episode was surprisingly too. It was like a season Finale.
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Really didn't think the Klingon Big Bad would die there. Figured it would be tha end of the season at least but I'm glad it's not being predictable. And ya....the new chief of security it totally a Klingon. They even showed them doing surgery on his forehead. That would have been enough for the old style Klingons but they must have mixed in some human DNA because this batch of Klingons skull is even different shaped. Also, I'm guessing we have just spore jumped into the dark mirror universe.
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At first, I figured the Tyler is a Klingon theory was just insane, but especially in light of the last episode, I think once you accept the premise that technology exists that can make a Klingon look like a human, it makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure Tyler knows yet, I think he's more of a sleeper waiting for a trigger, but I'll accept the theory works.
In fact, the evidence is kind of mounting to suggest that Tyler is Voq, T'Kumva's disciple that was exiled by Kol a few episodes in (if I'm right, an episode or two before Tyler shows up...). L'Rell asks him at one point how far he'll go for revenge on Starfleet for T'Kumva's death, and then a few weeks later she is conveniently running a prison ship on which Tyler is prisoner. So it's possible that in that time, he underwent surgery and mental conditioning to 'forget' his past, escape onto a Starfleet ship and then be 'activated' down the line to bring them down from the inside. If this is true, he's now got his revenge on Kol for casting him out, and the next half of the series will see him and L'Rell working from inside Discovery to get revenge on Starfleet.
And yeah, Parallel universe is my bet, the fact they specifically mentioned it earlier in the episode, along with Stamets' line 'I can see them all, so many permutations' pretty much confirms it.
All in all, a fantastic episode to round out the first half of the series. I think it's really hit its stride now, figured out what it wants to be and I can't wait to see where it's going come January.
Nice season 1 overall. As I said previously, its strenghts are definitely in its pace and production values.
They need to flesh out some characters more, tie up the Klingon war season 2/move onto another arc or enemy and stick to what it does best.
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Expected a god awful, limbs everywhere oh the humanity car crash of a series.
And I got pretty much the opposite.
For a mere 9 episodes in, it's doing pretty well, but I'd echo the calls for other characters to be fleshed out. That was always one of Trek's strengths, taking the time to bring ancillary into the main (take O'Brien. Bit part in TNG, main and excellent character in DS9. He's an extreme example, but a good one).
More on The Bridge Crew. And this time, any chance of showing us the 'other shifts' Bridge Crew? You know, the ones that when the Captain and his First Picks are off in the land of Nod, manage to fly the ship without causing or getting caught up in any trouble whatsoever? Those ones. The one's that aren't a jinx.
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And it’s back. Episode 10 available on Netflix as of now.
Quite an enjoyable episode.
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Looks like we do indeed have a Klingon infiltrator.
But for me, nice to see a Mirror Universe episode that wasn’t simply a ‘one and done’ affair.
I do wonder if when they get back, it’ll be into the Prime universe we really know, as given the tech disparities between old and new (Hologram communicators weren’t introduced until DS9 of course ) that would be the simplest explanation.
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Cracking return in episode 10, definitely one of my favourites so far.
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I'm surprised they're being so open about Tyler's Klingon-ness but I guess pretty much everyone had worked it out by now so the suspense wouldn't really be there. I imagine the story will now be less about the big reveal and more about him coming to terms with it, perhaps attempting to reject his past and accept himself as a human?
Mirror universe stuff is great. I do love a good alternate evil universe storyline where everyone gets to ham it up as evil versions of themselves. Hopefully this runs for a good few episodes and given the implication that the ships swapped places, I'd like to see how Mirror-Discovery gets on in our universe... Bring on more 'Captain Killy'!
Lorca's 'Scotty' impression as the engineer was great. Can't help but think the constant and specific use of the terms Rebel and Empire was a nod to that other popular Space Fight series as well... Come on, call someone 'Rebel scum' next week!
Killing the Doctor that suddenly was an interesting move... I applaud them for being that bold, but I wonder if they played that card a bit early/whether it might get lost among the Mirror Universe stuff. We'll see.
2018/01/08 21:07:01
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - on hiatus till January 2018
I binged Discovery over Christmas, thanks to my dad getting Netflix.
I'm kinda mixed about it overall, though heavily towards liking it. - It's not the inspirational, 'we believe in you, humanity can do the thing' Star Trek I would have hoped for but ultimately it still holds onto its moral core far stronger than reading the reviews of the episodes suggested.
- For example, Lorca is very much the picture of the 'misguided and lost' Starfleet Captain, such as Benjamin Maxwell or Erik Pressman. The strangeness is just that, he's, well, THE Captain.
Anyhow, more specifically Episode 10... Overall this was a good episode, I think.
More specific thoughts in spoilers.
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The reason I mentioned Lorca is from what I think is the best part of the episode, him talking with Michael. He reveals that he desparately wanted the Mirror Universe, antithesus version of himself to be 'The Hero,' the goody in a universe of evil.
And... He isn't. The sheer amount of self loathing and disgust Lorca must have for himself, to really wish he was the villain. I find that all, really interesting.
As a sidenote, I was reading that there's confirmation that the Doc's death isn't all that it seems. - To sum up the suggestions, essentially the writers are aware of Bury your gays and have said that they're not going to do that with Star Trek's first major long term homosexual relationship...
Of course, there's the big reveal of Tyler, that wasn't a huge reveal, really, though the suggestion that Tyler's memories really are grafted ontop of Voq's is really good and would be interesting to see play out. But that's sort of standard sci fi drama, really...
The big reveal I'm more interested in is this:
Discovery's first look at the Constitution class.
I've got to say... I'm not a *HUGE* fan of it. I mean, it's better than the Abrams version but still, I'm not really loving it, like, for example, the angle change. But then, overall, Discovery hasn't been great for ship designs in general.
What are everyone elses thoughts?
2018/01/09 10:28:31
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - on hiatus till January 2018
Paradigm wrote: Cracking return in episode 10, definitely one of my favourites so far.
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I'm surprised they're being so open about Tyler's Klingon-ness but I guess pretty much everyone had worked it out by now so the suspense wouldn't really be there. I imagine the story will now be less about the big reveal and more about him coming to terms with it, perhaps attempting to reject his past and accept himself as a human?
Mirror universe stuff is great. I do love a good alternate evil universe storyline where everyone gets to ham it up as evil versions of themselves. Hopefully this runs for a good few episodes and given the implication that the ships swapped places, I'd like to see how Mirror-Discovery gets on in our universe... Bring on more 'Captain Killy'!
Lorca's 'Scotty' impression as the engineer was great. Can't help but think the constant and specific use of the terms Rebel and Empire was a nod to that other popular Space Fight series as well... Come on, call someone 'Rebel scum' next week!
Killing the Doctor that suddenly was an interesting move... I applaud them for being that bold, but I wonder if they played that card a bit early/whether it might get lost among the Mirror Universe stuff. We'll see.
All fair points.
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It's my hope that Captain Killy will be the making of her. Think back to Buffy, when Xander was temporarily split, allowing him to see his potential. That's an interesting spark for any story arc, especially when she knows full well she succeeded in the Mirror by being utterly ruthless.
Can't wait for the next episode, and dare I say this is making up for no new Game of Thrones this year!
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So, before I saw the show (not having netflix), I was following along with the various reviews and commentary about it and, well, I really wasn't liking what I was hearing and reading. - It was like Star Trek was doing the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica. That sort of thing would essentially 'break' the point of Star Trek to me.
Thinking about it, particularly after last nights episode, Discovery isn't that. Discovery is Star Trek doing "Rogue One" - it's about Lost Souls seeking redemption for past failures. That's the story and hook. And the Trekkiness.
2018/01/09 19:19:31
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - on hiatus till January 2018
I think it's clear once you actually watch it that the classic Trek style of placing themes first and foremost is still there, they're just being approached from a very different perspective. Old Trek has those threats tackled by people who almost always come up with the right answer, Discovery takes the stance that sometimes it's ok not to reach that perfect resolution so long as you learn from it.
Old Trek teaches by example, Discovery teaches by placing more ordinary people in those situations and letting us (and them) learn from how they cope.
