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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/996665814/confrontation-classic-the-legendary-skirmish-game/posts/2170369

That´s so stupid....

This just full on facepalm right now, especially from creators with previous kickstarter experience. I think I'm man overboard and swimming to shore on this one.

The last two updates were certainly...interesting.

And certainly designed to stop the bleeding here.

Well, the wording there wreaks of desperation, especially since this should have been available from the start. This is sad now. I'm hoping this doesn't kill Confrontation's model line for good.

Between this and zombicide (no zombies) in space, I am just wondering if the project managers have forgotten/ never learned how to run a successful campaign . Sure they have reached their funding goals, but we all know those were set low right?

Zombicide: Invader will deliver though, and I'd bet the quality of their PVC minis will actually be pretty good.

This one here?

Not so much.

And *IF* this things actually unlocks individual factions'?

Get ready for the funding total to collapse, double quick.

EDIT:

Zeelobby 7 minutes ago
@Stefan it has nothing to do with this. It's the ludicrous way they went about stating this. We're literally pledging more to unlock the ability to pledge less. I have NEVER heard of a KS doing this before, and to be honest, it screams of inexperience. If they estimated that 1.2 is what they'll need to stay profitable and offer the individual factions, then they're going to be sorely disappointed when 1.2 drops to 700K as everyone goes for the smaller options...

Dunno. To me, it looks like the campaign is too focused on marketing/reaching the largest number of people in hope they all take 300+ $ pledges to fund their real minimum amount so that that project can succeed.

They thought using the old visuals was enough. It's clear it isn't and they didn't go too far about the real matter - the actual production miniatures.

Their reactions in the comments is really showing what I was afraid : seeing only the praise comments and ignoring everything else, while encouraging agressive fanboy backers to "attack" the "non believers".

That's the recipe of a Super Dungeon Explore Legends toxic comments section, really.

I have since dumped my pledge.

Confrontation started me in miniature gaming but I had to sell everything off to fund college.

Now I am old and really wanted to get back into Confrontation but it is not going to happen with this company.

I have mentally cast off that idea.

So now, I have a more serious question.

What miniature range in your opinion has great miniatures and also great game play that i can consider researching?

I am interested in the painting as much as the game play. Would you have any suggestion for Fantasy Games that I might research?

Limonata wrote:
I have since dumped my pledge.

Confrontation started me in miniature gaming but I had to sell everything off to fund college.

Now I am old and really wanted to get back into Confrontation but it is not going to happen with this company.

I have mentally cast off that idea.

So now, I have a more serious question.

What miniature range in your opinion has great miniatures and also great game play that i can consider researching?

I am interested in the painting as much as the game play. Would you have any suggestion for Fantasy Games that I might research?

I like Wrath of Kings a lot. Its a fun game with fun miniatures in a style reminiscent of Confrontation.

But also...

You can still play Confrontation. There are multiple version of the rules available, including a version of 3.5 at https://cadwallon.com/ thats currently seeing some play (although its hard to tell how much). That site also offers a lot of Confrontation miniatures (including new stuff). I've ordered from them before and both their metal and resin models were nice. So if you like the models and like the game I'd say find someone to play with and just go for it.

Well, Godslayer comes to my mind if you want to go into the direction of historical fantasy. There is a KS next month which could provide you with good starter deals. The rules are for free and there is also a thread here in the news.
Gameplay reminds of Warmahordes but is way more accessible and the miniature quality is really good (There are some not so great older designs, but they are replacing them currently by better ones).

The problem with Confro will be getting the miniatures and cards again and avoiding the bad recasts.
Wrath of king looks nice, but right now it seems the line will no longer be supported in a way that other games are.

Limonata wrote:
I have since dumped my pledge.

Confrontation started me in miniature gaming but I had to sell everything off to fund college.

Now I am old and really wanted to get back into Confrontation but it is not going to happen with this company.

I have mentally cast off that idea.

So now, I have a more serious question.

What miniature range in your opinion has great miniatures and also great game play that i can consider researching?

I am interested in the painting as much as the game play. Would you have any suggestion for Fantasy Games that I might research?

If you can wait little over a month, this is REALLY worth looking at. There's loads of fluff, faction and play through videos on here... Conquest is out in June and it's crazy good value for money too. Take a look mate : Www.facebook.com/ParaBellumWarGames

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Well, Godslayer comes to my mind if you want to go into the direction of historical fantasy. There is a KS next month which could provide you with good starter deals. The rules are for free and there is also a thread here in the news.
Gameplay reminds of Warmahordes but is way more accessible and the miniature quality is really good (There are some not so great older designs, but they are replacing them currently by better ones).

What's your connection with Godslayer again? Employee? Consultant? Translator for Hire? Something Else?

I'd also suggest (possibly) Conquest too - that game looks amazing and it looks like it will actually exist someday (soon) ad s well as being straight to retail, no unsecured pre-order Kickstarter (I think!).

As for Confrontation, it looks as if confidence here continues to erode:

Limonata wrote:
I have since dumped my pledge.

So now, I have a more serious question.

What miniature range in your opinion has great miniatures and also great game play that i can consider researching?

I am interested in the painting as much as the game play. Would you have any suggestion for Fantasy Games that I might research?

I would recommend Bushido the game (GTC-Studios). That is if you like the aesthetics, since it is soley based around asian fantasy, So not everyones cup of tea.

It is somewhat related to confro, since the creators made it to make up their own loss of their favorite hobbysystem which was confro at that time (their own words).
I haven t played confro myself so i can not comment on this, but i hear from players who played both it is SOMEWHAT similar.

Just watch a demogame of it. Team covenant has a good one concerning the basic rules on YouTube.
But keep in mind the minis chosen for that demo have intentionally no synergy effects between each other to make it easier to take in. So synergyeffects would add to the complexity of the full game.

I think it's getting to the point now that there are so many great skirmish games out there, all you have to do is pick a genre you like and dive in. Most are even cheap enough where you could collect 2 or more factions at the same time and have extra minis for friends to try out the game too, if it's the kind where you only need like 10-15 minis to play a good game.

If you're looking for Fantasy, I thought Godtear was pretty cool, but I had to drop my pledge for financial reasons. Godslayer looks good too. Also, Shadespire from GW is worth looking into .. i never picked that up but keep telling myself I need it, one day I will cave.

He asked for a game that is similar and if you look around Godslayer has a lot in common with it, which is quite understandable because the creators were/are fans of Warmahordes and Confrontation. They even have a sculptor from Rackham hired now.
And it is a game that is already out and not someday in the future (You can even download the rules from The Megalith Games website). Warmahordes e.g. I would not suggest since it is very tournament orientated and I don´t think he is that kind of gamer.
Godtear I am not completly sure of, since the rules are not really finalized, you need to wait how they turn out and with Guildball turning out good and Dark Soul bad... there is no sure way to tell how Godtear will turn out.
Shadespire could become a victim of GW´s habit of killing side-systems after some time.

If he is into Asian, Bushido would be my suggestion.

I have never seen a group of people advocate so hard for an inferior remake of a project before. The comments section is incredible.

HaleysRedComet wrote:
I have never seen a group of people advocate so hard for an inferior remake of a project before. The comments section is incredible.

For some, they may believe that Bad Confrontation is better than No Confrontation, especially if they think this may be the last chance to bring it back. Which also leads to the FOMO, Fear Of Missing Out, that some might have, if they missed out on Confrontation back in the day and see this as their only chance.

http://www.sans-detour.com/actualites/detour-ouvre-capital-plateforme-raizers/

It looks like this is not their first attempt at Confrontation. And what I can find... they canceled that fundraising.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
http://www.sans-detour.com/actualites/detour-ouvre-capital-plateforme-raizers/

It looks like this is not their first attempt at Confrontation. And what I can find... they canceled that fundraising.

I remember when that was posted. I think it was here on Dakka we were having the discussion about them stating they were avoiding kickstarter for the game and looking for traditional investments only. Obviously that didn't go well.

Edit: Yep, here's the start of that discussion https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/717182.page#9210644

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

HaleysRedComet wrote:
I have never seen a group of people advocate so hard for an inferior remake of a project before. The comments section is incredible.

For some, they may believe that Bad Confrontation is better than No Confrontation, especially if they think this may be the last chance to bring it back. Which also leads to the FOMO, Fear Of Missing Out, that some might have, if they missed out on Confrontation back in the day and see this as their only chance.

Some might not be as invested in the internet as others so are not seeing the discussions like here on Dakka - many might have pledged and then not checked back on the status of the campaign and might not until the latter week of the KS (since KS tend to have the most movement of funding in the first and last days of the campaign).

Others might not be as aware of the costs and such so they are putting more trust in the developer being honest.


And some might think that if this fails then the resurrection will fail too; so they are hoping that even if this isn't great it will still fund the return of Confrontation.

Some are also french fanboys who will buy anything with the name "Confrontation" in it and are more than willing to believe it will come back in its Golden Era glory.

Nostalgia and thinking "it's a french business, so it can't fail because of their own decisions!" can do weird things to the human mind.

https://www.facebook.com/EditionsSansDetour/

Their comment section does not really build trust.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/EditionsSansDetour/

Their comment section does not really build trust.

Most of them complain about lack of communication, poor quality of some products they received, delays and not many answers from SD once they got their money/got funded. From their crowdfunding projects, at least.

So...definitely not trust building then?

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
http://www.sans-detour.com/actualites/detour-ouvre-capital-plateforme-raizers/

It looks like this is not their first attempt at Confrontation. And what I can find... they canceled that fundraising.

No, that was for Resurrection, not classic. It's been said from the beginning that Resurrection would not be KSed, hence private funding. And if you have any proof that this was cancelled please share it.

Man. If was an investor in SD I would be... concerned.

This link to Facebook was posted in the comments

https://www.facebook.com/darkphane/posts/10214066554272756

Stephane Guèbe
April 19 at 8:06am ·

Careful I warn mode big con activated I warn you in advance: it's a big joke this ks confrontation no visual of the quality of the figs, the entrance ticket is ultra too high and extra limited and if you want to go home now you Must Snap 320th, how to say nicely!!! It looks like a bottom lifting without warranty, made by amateurs, with a big risk and given their policy on the ks, it completely blocks the progress of ks So des goals etc..
Watch out!!! I'm probably not gonna make a news buddy but I'm down the c.... es but it's a big joke not smart guys!!!

[For whatever reason Facebook translates this to me if I like it or not, but perhaps others can see the original French]

Things are...not going in the right direction?




Pretty soon, only the most hardcore (French?) will remain?

Will that be enough to keep it from un-funding?!?

I do not believe that you can drop your pledge if doing so takes a project from funded to unfunded. You can do it if it just effects a stretch goal but not the funded total, it was to stop people fake pledging to hit the goal. Could be wrong but that's definitely what it used to be. EDIT: Looks like it's changed, you can cancel whilst it is live regardless now.

Mikes, I said attempt at Confrontation, nowhere did I say classic, so please stop putting things in my mouth.

And since you can´t find the funded campaign on Raizers, it must have been canceled, since funded campaigns are always listed.