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 Grimskul wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/02/powerful-new-shield-host-rules-cement-the-adeptus-custodes-as-the-true-elites-of-humanity/

Custodes word gumbo continues....

Is this GW's way of trying to show off how they have super long names? xD

I also like how they already have a typo where the relic spear hits at strength 2, not Strength PLUS two.

Yeah, I saw that too. That's funny.

These look good though. I like most of them and I like that we get two stances to pick from for our fighting styles.

As well as the hilarious relic error, they also talk about Dread Host but then go on to show Aquilan Shield rules. Is this the most error-laden preview ever?

 Grimskul wrote:

Hilariously, it makes them weaker than a character grot Makari, who hits at S3. Truly the Emperor's finest!

You're not going to ruin Pillowhands McVigilant for me, no sir.

Twilight Pathways wrote:
As well as the hilarious relic error, they also talk about Dread Host but then go on to show Aquilan Shield rules. Is this the most error-laden preview ever?

I don't think that's an error. The Dread Host part seems to be just dropping a tidbit about them while the preview is meant to be a different Shield-Host. At least, that's how I read it.

Solar watch warlord trait turned out like in my homebrew 9th Ed Codex write up...cool stuff. Access to advance and charge is always very welcome, even if it's just one unit.

The swiftsilver talon typo is so on brand for GW it's almost endearing.

These look fine and with the magna Imperator fighting stance the leaks seem really solid, even to me. So I stand corrected. But I'm still salty about the axes.

So is it legal to presume that all spears are now S2? Swords and boards it is!

It seems to me to be implying you can revert to the shield host with the 4+++ vs mortals at the start of the game if you prefer it over the one you chose, which is an interesting mechanic if true, and vastly improves the faction vs MW by letting you not have to commit to it until you see the matchup.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Even GW surely knows that non-FW Custodes are not that great and haven't been for a long time (i.e. well back into the time 1-1.5 years ago when this book was being written). I find it hard to believe they're not going to see significant improvements.

Every few codexes though, they produce a dud.

Never know if yours is going to be one

For sure. But it's pretty rare these days. I wouldn't assume it's going to happen until we have the full rules. The shield host rules for example seem to be a large upgrade on the old ones.

2D axes is pathetic and seems very likely to be true at this point, but that doesn't mean the book as a whole is going to be garbage.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So is it legal to presume that all spears are now S2? Swords and boards it is!

Yes all spears are gonna have S2 and also all Custodes will have 1 wound and T 1...

 nordsturmking wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So is it legal to presume that all spears are now S2? Swords and boards it is!

Yes all spears are gonna have S2 and also all Custodes will have 1 wound and T 1...

I'm pretty sure he was joking, but it's hard to tell at this point.

S2 relic spear is obviously a typo. The relic seems lackluster still.

It is an obvious typo, and I was joking, but in the meanwhile, until new books are shown, or it is told to us, there are people in YMDC that will argue about it. It's a seriously stupid leak. I get a leak of "hey heres a new mechanic!" but this is so obviously half butted and shows such a lack of DGAF, that it's laughable.

Audustum wrote:

superninja_834 wrote:
well, more leaks

Little Kitten and mr.useless(hint: the one with s7 weapon) now has shieldhost keyword

Sister with framer now inflator, even inflatable on vehicle

Banner:
6' characters and core light cover
6' characters and core a + 1
6' characters and core dense cover

Could only include one captain per detachment,
Ok to have different types of captain
Like bike captain plus termi captain for a battalion

Shhhhh

Thank you!

Mr. Useless getting Shield-Host is nice. Still not sure he turns into Mr. Useful but hey, at least he won't break things now (I bet Trajann gets a rule to not break but also not benefit from Shield-Hosts as an aside).

I don't think 'only 1 Captain' is an issue when we can double-up with different kinds of Captains still. Easy enough.

I am intrigued by the Light Cover flag. There's a thread on YMDC from awhile ago about whether Light Cover stacks, but if you take the position that it does...Storm Shield + Flag + Actual Light Cover would be pretty freaking hard to shift (AP-3 would still be a 2+ save).

Sisters with flamer being infiltrator and making their Rhino's infiltrate is cash money.

EDIT: Fezzik, Twilight, Ordana and Wise, there are literally fresh leaks above you!

the description was like "treated like being in a light cover" so it does not stack. Problem for custodes is never in the defense, attack and mobility are the more critical.

superninja_834 wrote:

Audustum wrote:

superninja_834 wrote:
well, more leaks

Little Kitten and mr.useless(hint: the one with s7 weapon) now has shieldhost keyword

Sister with framer now inflator, even inflatable on vehicle

Banner:
6' characters and core light cover
6' characters and core a + 1
6' characters and core dense cover

Could only include one captain per detachment,
Ok to have different types of captain
Like bike captain plus termi captain for a battalion

Shhhhh

Thank you!

Mr. Useless getting Shield-Host is nice. Still not sure he turns into Mr. Useful but hey, at least he won't break things now (I bet Trajann gets a rule to not break but also not benefit from Shield-Hosts as an aside).

I don't think 'only 1 Captain' is an issue when we can double-up with different kinds of Captains still. Easy enough.

I am intrigued by the Light Cover flag. There's a thread on YMDC from awhile ago about whether Light Cover stacks, but if you take the position that it does...Storm Shield + Flag + Actual Light Cover would be pretty freaking hard to shift (AP-3 would still be a 2+ save).

Sisters with flamer being infiltrator and making their Rhino's infiltrate is cash money.

EDIT: Fezzik, Twilight, Ordana and Wise, there are literally fresh leaks above you!

the description was like "treated like being in a light cover" so it does not stack. Problem for custodes is never in the defense, attack and mobility are the more critical.

Now see, according to the esteemed rules lawyers at YMDC it should!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/796813.page

What would people's opinions be on Axes if they were Sx2 AP3 2D?

I have not seen anything, I'm just curious

So the new GSC "Crossfire" rule, is making me cry. They get that but we get this poorly written dross.

IHateNids wrote:What would people's opinions be on Axes if they were Sx2 AP3 2D?

I have not seen anything, I'm just curious

A lot better, because axes would be better than spears in every way. Which in my opinion would also not be good game design. The spear should have a place of usefulness.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:So the new GSC "Crossfire" rule, is making me cry. They get that but we get this poorly written dross.

Nah, cmon our stuff hasn't been bad so far....well except for the fact that the axes suck (in a vacuum, maybe there are some extra rules we haven't seen yet).

GSC really needed some love and that rule fits the army quite nicely. I'm glad they got something nice and fluffy.

Tiberias,

In all honesty, how many times did you need to read the katas before you understood the RAI/RAW?

Audustum wrote:

superninja_834 wrote:

Audustum wrote:

superninja_834 wrote:
well, more leaks

Little Kitten and mr.useless(hint: the one with s7 weapon) now has shieldhost keyword

Sister with framer now inflator, even inflatable on vehicle

Banner:
6' characters and core light cover
6' characters and core a + 1
6' characters and core dense cover

Could only include one captain per detachment,
Ok to have different types of captain
Like bike captain plus termi captain for a battalion

Shhhhh

Thank you!

Mr. Useless getting Shield-Host is nice. Still not sure he turns into Mr. Useful but hey, at least he won't break things now (I bet Trajann gets a rule to not break but also not benefit from Shield-Hosts as an aside).

I don't think 'only 1 Captain' is an issue when we can double-up with different kinds of Captains still. Easy enough.

I am intrigued by the Light Cover flag. There's a thread on YMDC from awhile ago about whether Light Cover stacks, but if you take the position that it does...Storm Shield + Flag + Actual Light Cover would be pretty freaking hard to shift (AP-3 would still be a 2+ save).

Sisters with flamer being infiltrator and making their Rhino's infiltrate is cash money.

EDIT: Fezzik, Twilight, Ordana and Wise, there are literally fresh leaks above you!

the description was like "treated like being in a light cover" so it does not stack. Problem for custodes is never in the defense, attack and mobility are the more critical.

Now see, according to the esteemed rules lawyers at YMDC it should!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/796813.page

even if it could, from my experience , most ranged attack unleashed to custodes has at least s7 ap3, ap 4 is also commonly seen. Therefore buffing defense stat against small arms is kinda pointless. Many people simply give up shooting anything lesser than heavy bolter to custodes in causal game play.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Tiberias,

In all honesty, how many times did you need to read the katas before you understood the RAI/RAW?

Had to read the article twice. It's very wordy, sure and potentially quite confusing for new players just starting out.

The three katas we've seen so far are not bad though. The one with the stance which reduces pile in and consolidate moves by 2" is the standout for me. That's such a powerful ability.

So is our new stuff so far complicated at first glance? Absolutely. Is it bad? Absolutely not....again, except for the damn axes.

superninja_834 wrote:

Audustum wrote:

superninja_834 wrote:

Audustum wrote:

superninja_834 wrote:
well, more leaks

Little Kitten and mr.useless(hint: the one with s7 weapon) now has shieldhost keyword

Sister with framer now inflator, even inflatable on vehicle

Banner:
6' characters and core light cover
6' characters and core a + 1
6' characters and core dense cover

Could only include one captain per detachment,
Ok to have different types of captain
Like bike captain plus termi captain for a battalion

Shhhhh

Thank you!

Mr. Useless getting Shield-Host is nice. Still not sure he turns into Mr. Useful but hey, at least he won't break things now (I bet Trajann gets a rule to not break but also not benefit from Shield-Hosts as an aside).

I don't think 'only 1 Captain' is an issue when we can double-up with different kinds of Captains still. Easy enough.

I am intrigued by the Light Cover flag. There's a thread on YMDC from awhile ago about whether Light Cover stacks, but if you take the position that it does...Storm Shield + Flag + Actual Light Cover would be pretty freaking hard to shift (AP-3 would still be a 2+ save).

Sisters with flamer being infiltrator and making their Rhino's infiltrate is cash money.

EDIT: Fezzik, Twilight, Ordana and Wise, there are literally fresh leaks above you!

the description was like "treated like being in a light cover" so it does not stack. Problem for custodes is never in the defense, attack and mobility are the more critical.

Now see, according to the esteemed rules lawyers at YMDC it should!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/796813.page

even if it could, from my experience , most ranged attack unleashed to custodes has at least s7 ap3, ap 4 is also commonly seen. Therefore buffing defense stat against small arms is kinda pointless. Many people simply give up shooting anything lesser than heavy bolter to custodes in causal game play.

That's the beauty of it! If it works, you're taking saves against AP-3 on a 2+. We're not boosting small arms defense: we're boosting anti-tank defense! You need AP-4 for your armor save to equal your invuln. You need AP-5 to actually force the invuln to be used as the better save.

 IHateNids wrote:
What would people's opinions be on Axes if they were Sx2 AP3 2D?

I have not seen anything, I'm just curious

Still pretty lame, honestly. They need to be 3 damage, that's the obvious way to give them a role, just like the obvious role for spears was to give them a sweep profile. But GW clearly didn't go in that direction, sadly.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
What would people's opinions be on Axes if they were Sx2 AP3 2D?

I have not seen anything, I'm just curious

Still pretty lame, honestly. They need to be 3 damage, that's the obvious way to give them a role, just like the obvious role for spears was to give them a sweep profile. But GW clearly didn't go in that direction, sadly.

We still have a LOT unseen. I know this is weird coming from a radical like me, but give it time. We could see specific units get sweep profiles, or it becomes a stratagem for wardens, who knows?

I do think S10 axes are kinda pointless though, we have no problems taking down anti-tank currently, our problems are anti-horde and power discrepancy between plastic and non plastic units. For instance, what good are Guardians now if Sag can just pop this sweep kata and do 5 s5 ap2 d1 attacks with their dagger, and still get their massive shooting?

It's also kinda odd that GW has basically just made us most costly Astartes. We have Chapter tactics now, Combat Doctrines, and basically the custodes equivalent of a Primaris Blade Guardian. I really don't want to play Marines. That's why I picked Custodes.

I'm still hoping I can use my basic custodian guard with shield and power fist...

After yesterday I'm in leak withdrawal. My brain can't handle not having new info to process.

I am still hopeful that Wardens will get some form of buff. Right now all the leaks tend to be troop changes or massive gameplay changes. Nothing about specific units or weapon profiles. I have no hope of anything FW, but I do hope we get something regarding Wardens or Bikes.

Whaaaaa? We get this gak and the Genestealer Cults get that super-cool crossfire ability? That thing is awesome!

ugh. Totally not happy about this :-(

Again, relax! This is MR. Hyperbole talking. We still have 90% of a codex unseen. We still half an edition to complain about the state of our faction.

Wait till you hear the 2.0 SM codexes rumors that are floating around.

leerm02 wrote:
Whaaaaa? We get this gak and the Genestealer Cults get that super-cool crossfire ability? That thing is awesome!

ugh. Totally not happy about this :-(

While Crossfire seems like a solid ability, it definitely looks like it'd give me a migraine. I think ours will be comparatively strong so this is O.K.

Audustum wrote:

leerm02 wrote:
Whaaaaa? We get this gak and the Genestealer Cults get that super-cool crossfire ability? That thing is awesome!

ugh. Totally not happy about this :-(

While Crossfire seems like a solid ability, it definitely looks like it'd give me a migraine. I think ours will be comparatively strong so this is O.K.

I'm all for patience and being practical, however this is just as bad as sky is falling. This blind optimism is silly. What we have is in ZERO way comparable in power to their +1 to wound, for almost all shooting from ambush. That's on top of their +1 to hit from ambush. Fancy them wounding us with auto-guns? Because that can happen now.