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What's the deal with raveners, never tried them... is it the combination of point cost, speed and volume of basic str4 attacks?

People are quite split on warriors. Ravaners usually where bad warriors. They trade 4+, troops and synapse for 5+ and move 12. They also have worse stratagem support.

In CS they have 5++. Also, the latest points upgrade forgot giving them points for upgrades. Meaning one without a gun cost as one with deathspitters.

 Niiai wrote:
In CS they have 5++. Also, the latest points upgrade forgot giving them points for upgrades. Meaning one without a gun cost as one with deathspitters.

Wait, is that in the new CA 2022? Or where are you getting that from? Because 5-man units of raveners with deathspitters at 100 points look delicious for the new Retrieve Data mission

It is from a video depicting the points changes in the new book.

I think everybody in the Nid commuaty expect it to be a typo.

Alrighty...so here we go.

£150-£170 in the spawning pot to spend.

Current stuff I have now is as follows...

Slayer Flyrant - Wings, Boneswords
Foot Tyrant - Scytals, HVC
Swarmlord

6 Tyranid Warriors - Lash Whip & Bonesword, 4 Deathspitters, 2 Barbed Stranglers
6 Tyranid Warriors - Boneswords, 4 Deathspitters, 2 Venom Cannons
3 Tyranid Warriors - Double Scytals

2 Carnifex - Double Scytals, Tusks, Spores
T-Fex - Rupture Cannon
T-Fex - Acid Spray

Harpy - HVCs.

Now I am trying to figure what to add to the pools.

My brain wants a Dimachaeron simply as an additional melee threat.

But the option for Hierodules is there - just Dimas always appeal.

Gut instinct is telling me - Dimachaeron.

And probably a Haruspex and some Venomthropes .... or a Stonecrusher.

But other ideas folk?

 Niiai wrote:
It is from a video depicting the points changes in the new book.

I think everybody in the Nid commuaty expect it to be a typo.

Yeah, I suspect that basic weapons were meant to be "free" (included) but upgrades (Deathspitters) should be extra cost. My "issue" with Raveners was they out run their Synapse, and out of Synapse, they are not as good.

Warhammer Community wrote:This isn’t just an exciting time for Aeldari, but for all Warhammer 40,000 xenos players – after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming. We don’t want to say too much right now, but there are lots of them, they’ve come a long way, and they’re VERY hungry. For biomass. Okay, you forced it out of us – it’s the Tyranids.

Congrats go to Tyranids!

Surprising as Tyranids were not featured in the leaks at all.

 Tyran wrote:
Surprising as Tyranids were not featured in the leaks at all.

The Leaks pretty much only go as far as the Eldar - everything after is unleaked

 Kanluwen wrote:

Warhammer Community wrote:This isn’t just an exciting time for Aeldari, but for all Warhammer 40,000 xenos players – after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming. We don’t want to say too much right now, but there are lots of them, they’ve come a long way, and they’re VERY hungry. For biomass. Okay, you forced it out of us – it’s the Tyranids.

Congrats go to Tyranids!

What is the source?

I see it now.

Haha, poor Chaos Marines.

It is kinda hilarious that the entire CSM player-base is having a simultaneous aneurysm.

Even though they are going to have a confirmed large release while, sadly, Tyranids are likely to be a modest one as GW doesn't do large releases back to back.

 Tyran wrote:
It is kinda hilarious that the entire CSM player-base is having a simultaneous aneurysm.

Even though they are going to have a confirmed large release while, sadly, Tyranids are likely to be a modest one as GW doesn't do large releases back to back.

I'd rather it switch up-give CSM the next slot with one or two models, but update the damn rules (TWO WOUNDS, PLEASE!) and then give Nids a big model release, but a little later.

The only model I can think of that really needs a refresh is Mutilators.

 Tyran wrote:
Surprising as Tyranids were not featured in the leaks at all.

Maybe our book was moved up in response to tournament over-performance after Octavius? Most of our nasty stuff is a combination of extra action stratagems (move, fight, shoot) stacked with the newer buffs. Releasing a new book will wipe out everything but the Leviathan supplement and maybe the Crusher Stampede.

We know we have Shrikes coming from the preview video if nothing else. The hooked and prehensile pincer tail rumor engine images might belong to the Shrikes, but those could also belong to redone Lictors and the Red Terror respectively. I also keep reading that there is supposedly a gaunt-genus refresh but I don't see anything to hint towards that (unless there is a new variants that specializes in tail weapons?).

 JNAProductions wrote:

The only model I can think of that really needs a refresh is Mutilators.

I don't play Chaos, but off the top of my head:
Bersekers
Noise Marines (currently stuck with an upgrade kit that may or may not work with the new CSM models)
Defiler
Possessed Marines
Lucius
H Blackheart
Chaos Spawn
Mutilators

Not a refresh per say, but they could also benefit from an individual release for
Cultists (it is admittedly easy to kitbash or borrow from Necromunda, but a dedicated kit would probably be good for them).
the Venom Crawler
Obliterators

 Strat_N8 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Surprising as Tyranids were not featured in the leaks at all.

Maybe our book was moved up in response to tournament over-performance after Octavius? Most of our nasty stuff is a combination of extra action stratagems (move, fight, shoot) stacked with the newer buffs. Releasing a new book will wipe out everything but the Leviathan supplement and maybe the Crusher Stampede.

We know we have Shrikes coming from the preview video if nothing else. The hooked and prehensile pincer tail rumor engine images might belong to the Shrikes, but those could also belong to redone Lictors and the Red Terror respectively. I also keep reading that there is supposedly a gaunt-genus refresh but I don't see anything to hint towards that (unless there is a new variants that specializes in tail weapons?).

 JNAProductions wrote:

The only model I can think of that really needs a refresh is Mutilators.

I don't play Chaos, but off the top of my head:
Bersekers
Noise Marines (currently stuck with an upgrade kit that may or may not work with the new CSM models)
Defiler
Possessed Marines
Lucius
H Blackheart
Chaos Spawn

Good point.

Do we have a rough timescale?

Razerous wrote:
Do we have a rough timescale?

Given that they've teased us with Eldar and Eldar are looking to be about early-Mid February...(box this weekend - codex next or the weekend after?)

I'd hazard a guess at March.

Given that this didn't appear in any rumours I strongly suspect this is going to be a very quick slot release that could be slapped in with an Eldar Week 2-3 if need be.

And it's not like they haven't even released multiple codexes at the same time or within a week or two of eachother.... looking back at the past 4 - 5 releases...

 Strat_N8 wrote:


We know we have Shrikes coming from the preview video if nothing else. The hooked and prehensile pincer tail rumor engine images might belong to the Shrikes, but those could also belong to redone Lictors and the Red Terror respectively. I also keep reading that there is supposedly a gaunt-genus refresh but I don't see anything to hint towards that (unless there is a new variants that specializes in tail weapons?).

I missed the Shrike return rumor. That is excellent news, they were something of a backbone to my gribbly hordes, and the lose of them hurt quite a bit.

Nids definitely don't need a big release. At best we need 3-4 kits updated to plastic that they could drip feed over the next 2 years.

There's the semi confirmed Shrike/Parasite of Mortex kit.

We could theoretically use;

Biovore/Pyrovore dual plastic kit
Deathleaper/Lictor dual plastic kit
Red Terror plastic standalone

and then at a stretch;

Updated Hormagaunts that don't fall over from a stiff breeze
Cool new big Psychic Nid mentioned in Octarius

One frail hope I have is that The Shadow will be good again, not just for Kronos... Maybe always able to Deny if in the Shadow, you know because Hive Mind...


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And Shrikes would be sweeeet!

 Zande4 wrote:
Nids definitely don't need a big release. At best we need 3-4 kits updated to plastic that they could drip feed over the next 2 years.

There's the semi confirmed Shrike/Parasite of Mortex kit.

We could theoretically use;

Biovore/Pyrovore dual plastic kit
Deathleaper/Lictor dual plastic kit
Red Terror plastic standalone

and then at a stretch;

Updated Hormagaunts that don't fall over from a stiff breeze
Cool new big Psychic Nid mentioned in Octarius

A return of the Parasite would be awesome. I got so many rippers from it's last appearance

barnowl wrote:

I missed the Shrike return rumor. That is excellent news, they were something of a backbone to my gribbly hordes, and the lose of them hurt quite a bit.

I don't think it was rumored anywhere. They showed up in the 2022 upcoming model teaser video GW posted awhile ago.


It looks like they are going to be a bit like a cross between the Winged Tyrant and Raveners visually, with the lower legs being replaced with another set of arms. Looks like they will have Lashwhips as an option for the lower limbs, but it blurs too much to make out what is in the middle pair of limbs (upper pair is the wings).

Edit: Hmm, looking at the second picture a bit closer it looks like the model has Spinefists in its middle limbs, possibly making the lower limbs a lash whip and bonesword combo.

New HT, Swarmlord, Winged HT and Exocrine Data sheet:


pretty great

Double shoot is definitely gone, probably +1 to hit as well, but obviously it got improved BS baked in and the number of shots while not quite as many as double shooting got us is still high, and better quality than before.

Scything talon carnifexes not looking great. Even if they get a better S than tyrants, they're going to be down to D2 instead of 3.... I was really hoping the plus sized scything talons were going to get dual profiles like a lot of other large melee weapons on walkers have, it could still happen for massive talons but it would have been nice for monstrous talons too.

<happy chittering noises>

Looking forward to full leaks.

Hopefully Scything Talons come with new special rules to make up for going down to damage 2. Or they just become the default and a free option.

I didn't see any options for Devourers or Deathspitters which would make me sad if we loose the dakka flyrant.

Overall I'm happy with the upgrades except that swarmlord will most likely loose his double move ability.

Yeah I'm less concerned with what we're getting, and more worried about what we're losing.

Tyrannofex to LoW status? Possible.
Hive Guard shooting without LoS? That's gonna be a strat.
Any weapon that isn't part of a specific kit? Gonesky! Say goodbye to Tyrant Deathspitters and Devourers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I'm less concerned with what we're getting, and more worried about what we're losing.

Tyrannofex to LoW status? Possible.
Hive Guard shooting without LoS? That's gonna be a strat.
Any weapon that isn't part of a specific kit? Gonesky! Say goodbye to Tyrant Deathspitters and Devourers.

I hope we get a new plastic LOW.
I don't mind loosing out of LOS shooting.IMO it sould be in the game except for maybe mortars and in a casual games its often a feels bad situation.
I think we will keep the Deathspitters and Devourers on tyrants and other stuff.


We are already getting alot of stuff, much more 2+ AS, T8, more attacks +3 on the SL.

haruspex:

Yep all the leaks look cool. More Toughness, and more wounds not to mention 2+ saves. Nid-zilla! And Jormangandr will be fearsome!

Let's just hope that the new Carnifex profile makes him tougher than a Rhino...

Carny is almost in one of the worst places in the army line up

It WAS the go-to generalist big bug that did all the general tanky big monster roles.

However right now we've got a lot of specialist even bigger models that do those roles better. Or at least have the potential to do so as they are dedicated toward those specific roles. The Haurspex is a dedicated close combat monster; the Exocrine dedicated artillery etc...



Meanwhile Warriors fill the role of a cheaper generalist unit of models that can, again, fill those slots.


Carny is kind of in the middle and its tricky. Make it too weak to protect the big bugs and it ends up an expensive warrior; make it too strong and it infringes upon the big bugs. It's basically gone from a heavyweight to a middleweight in the army and seems to be flitting between its old style of a single powerhouse to almost a small squad based model. Strong in small groups instead of strong on their own.



It's a change that reflects how much bigger and diverse the army has become that the once king of tough outside of the Hive Tyrant, is now stepping down a bit.