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With the release of SM, eldar, necrons. I for sure thought tau were going to get turned up to 11, but so far the units that have been leaked are very subpar.

I approve of the less then over-powered nature of the leaks we have seen, as Game Workshop needs to work on their 'power creep' problem anyway.

JinxDragon wrote:
I approve of the less then over-powered nature of the leaks we have seen, as Game Workshop needs to work on their 'power creep' problem anyway.

that's what I mean, like it's fine to release normal stuff that's not OP and what not, but if you already have army's that are OP why would you release something not as good. Tau were already really good and were able to keep up with the current meta, now they just moved down the ladder.

You know Tau are one of the biggest armys to rely on synergy right? Also we havent seen the book thus have no idea what formations and squadron bonuses theyll get.

Dont be such a funpire. Your freinds will secretly hate you less.

Do you understand how 'power creep' works, Dman137?
What you are suggesting, granting over-powered things to ensure a Faction remains over-powered, is the exact problem!

I understand youre assuming that everything is going to suck without any proof.

Janthkin wrote: Save it for tomorrow.

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It's hard to see an inkling of a return to some sort of semblance of sanity as disappointing. It's not even that these things are particularly bad, they're just not massively overpowered. It's hard to take complaints about that particularly seriously. Nor should it be unexpected if it holds true, as GW appears to change design philosophy every 12-18 months.

That said, we still don't know too much about the book as a whole, nothing about wargear changes, other unit changes, detachments, formations, etc, and Tau units typically have rarely been "omg broken" on their own in most cases, it's historically been in concert with other units.

JinxDragon wrote:
Do you understand how 'power creep' works, Dman137?
What you are suggesting, granting over-powered things to ensure a Faction remains over-powered, is the exact problem!

yeah release good units, so they can keep up with all the other good armys

lonestarr777 wrote:
You know Tau are one of the biggest armys to rely on synergy right? Also we havent seen the book thus have no idea what formations and squadron bonuses theyll get.

Dont be such a goob. Your freinds will secretly hate you less.

Fixed for you! Haters in full force! xD

No, but Dman137 does have a point. There is no power-creep from the new kits released, aside the Ta'unar, that is a point and click unit.

But then, the Tau have always been about synergy in nature. I'll reserve judgment when the Codex comes out, but basically my Tau friend is collecting SW at the minute and nothing about the up-coming releases (FW aside) makes him want to stop collecting TWC.

Edit: whoops, need to read names,l.

I have to listen to this same 'boo hoo all MY army suck, EVERYONE ELSE is OP, boo hoo hoo' in my gaming group all the time.

My point is youre basing all this on three leaked units in a vaccume. Would I rather the the Stormsurge could wreck face solo like a wraithknight? Duh. Do I think it cant wreck face at all? Feth no, that thing is going to be delightfully destructive with proper support.

Sure the breachers are meh by their lonesome. Use them as a screen and supoorting fire for your gunline might be a touch more scary with as close as people wanna get before the charge.

You seem connvinced that because we havent seen a wraithknight or skyhammer yet the entire books going to suck. Give it tme buttercup.

Dman137 wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Do you understand how 'power creep' works, Dman137?
What you are suggesting, granting over-powered things to ensure a Faction remains over-powered, is the exact problem!

yeah release good units, so they can keep up with all the other good armys

Don't Tau have tons of good units? Why can't Orks get anything good? Why can't anyone love me...

Odd you started this thread OP. Considering a little over a week ago you started the thread talking about how awesome the Ghostkeel is.

Tell me, how does it feel to be the living embodiment of contradiction?

I really like the new Tau releases. I don't care if they're not considered op! The models are beautiful except the stormsurge.

Kahnawake

Dman137,
The Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit itself.
We do not need over-powered Units being given to more powerful Factions, as that is creating the creep in the first place!

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

But then he won't be able to beat everyone easily using his SCAT bike spam and other OP gak and will start complaining that the Eldar are under powered.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

But then he won't be able to beat everyone easily using his SCAT bike spam and other OP gak and will start complaining that the Eldar are under powered.

I have a sinking suspicion he already does that.

True,
My mistake for assuming he wanted an honest discussion on the topic.

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

While I agree with this sentiment in theory, you would be hard pressed to find many people who actually see Tau as "low-tier".

 Ghazkuul wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

But then he won't be able to beat everyone easily using his SCAT bike spam and other OP gak and will start complaining that the Eldar are under powered.

your clearly helpless, not to meantion a FAAC player, with that said. GW making tau bad just means more people will complain about the other top tier army's, you want to Balance the game then bring all codexs up to eldar and necron level.

Vryce,
I am not advocating that the Tau need a over-powered Unit, I am defending Game Workshop if they choose to give them 'average' Units instead.

 Vryce wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

While I agree with this sentiment in theory, you would be hard pressed to find many people who actually see Tau as "low-tier".

if what has been leaked is any indication of what's to come, then you can be sure that tau will be at the bottom holding hands with harlequins

Dman137 wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

But then he won't be able to beat everyone easily using his SCAT bike spam and other OP gak and will start complaining that the Eldar are under powered.

your clearly helpless, not to meantion a FAAC player, with that said. GW making tau bad just means more people will complain about the other top tier army's, you want to Balance the game then bring all codexs up to eldar and necron level.

Or bring all codexes down to a reasonable level. Eldar and to an extent Necrons should not be the baseline for future armies, because that just leaves some armies even further in the dust as they wait to be brought up to the 'standard' power level, without even the guarantee they will be, seeing how arbitrarily GW handle the power levels.

Honestly I'm OK with tau being "subpar". If they just remain at their upper-mid tier, I'll be fine. I don't want my army to be overpowered, and they more balanced armies the better. Besides, I've had enough of people complaining about "tau are OP", especially nowadays where they are decent, but anything but OP.

And honestly, only the stormsurge is really disappointing to me, as it does something that tau already do in spades, anti-horde/ 5,5 shooting. I'm loving the ghostkeel, and it's too early to tell with breachers (their viability is really going to depend on the Devilfish).

 Matthew wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Do you understand how 'power creep' works, Dman137?
What you are suggesting, granting over-powered things to ensure a Faction remains over-powered, is the exact problem!

yeah release good units, so they can keep up with all the other good armys

Don't Tau have tons of good units? Why can't Orks get anything good? Why can't anyone love me...

Psh, before GW gives any more attention to dirty xenos or traitors, they will obviously grace the fighting men of their beloved imperium with the newly discovered STC for S8, rending, shred, lasguns, and Leman Russ D-stroyers.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Dman137,
Which Faction the Unit is being released for matters more then the 'power level' of the Unit in question.
Already powerful Factions do not need even more powerful Units, bring the low-tier factions up to par first!

But then he won't be able to beat everyone easily using his SCAT bike spam and other OP gak and will start complaining that the Eldar are under powered.

your clearly helpless, not to meantion a FAAC player, with that said. GW making tau bad just means more people will complain about the other top tier army's, you want to Balance the game then bring all codexs up to eldar and necron level.

Or bring all codexes down to a reasonable level. Eldar and to an extent Necrons should not be the baseline for future armies, because that just leaves some armies even further in the dust as they wait to be brought up to the 'standard' power level, without even the guarantee they will be, seeing how arbitrarily GW handle the power levels.

GW has made it clear that they don't care what we all think, they know that rules sell models (the more powerful the better) as for the army's like sisters of battle and other low tier army's, if there not selling then GW isent going to waste there time. If I doesn't sell GW will get rid of it. Cough cough WHFB.


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 Matthew wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Do you understand how 'power creep' works, Dman137?
What you are suggesting, granting over-powered things to ensure a Faction remains over-powered, is the exact problem!

yeah release good units, so they can keep up with all the other good armys

Don't Tau have tons of good units? Why can't Orks get anything good? Why can't anyone love me...

Psh, before GW gives any more attention to dirty xenos or traitors, they will obviously grace the fighting men of their beloved imperium with the newly discovered STC for S8, rending, shred, lasguns, and Leman Russ D-stroyers.

id love to see a IG update.

Honestly these threads and the supporters of them are getting annoying. We have seen what? 3 units now. So people are saying it sucks and isn't op. There is nothing wrong with having a balanced codex. That means the game would be more....whats that word...FUN. All the little taubabies that want a roflSTOMP codex need to at the least wait and see the whole thing.


I'd never say that Tau will be at the bottom with Tau, that's pretty much an ignorant thing to say.

I really can't see any of this being relevant until the fething codex or at least real rules leaks are out.

When does the thing actually release and we can confirm/disprove everything?

I'm happy so far with what I've seen so far and it's getting me interested back in 40k.

Don't worry though, I'm sure some crazy formations will be coming to make sure Tau players get the same hate as Eldar, Necrons, etc.