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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like two local players will relieve me of Basileans, NA and terrain, leaving me with my dear Abyssals and Nightstalkers. Which is perfect.
As usual, I have failed my saving throw against miniatures so this got more expensive than desired. Originally, I pledged for the Nightstalkers and Abyssals, but with the addition of the NA, that convinced me to go for the Giant Pledge. They'll probably get at least another $30 for the extra Ice Elementals and the giant upgrade, and possibly +$25 for the NA booster. Maybe someone will buy the Basileans from me.

Kings of War: Abyssal Dwarves, Dwarves, Elves, Undead, Northern Alliance [WiP], Nightstalkers [WiP]
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Wow that firebrand has aweful colour selection

dark eyes, dark teeth, darkish mottled skin, and then massively glarish dragon parrot.

It took me awhile to actually make out the miniature. Shockingly bad colour choices
   
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The dragon parrot isn't garish, the blue and yellow are a plume on top of the pirate hat, not dragon feathers.

   
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 .Mikes. wrote:
 TheAuldGrump wrote:
What is probably the final stretch goal is... pretty much something that nobody will care about - a set of colored D6s....

The Auld Grump


Which is an indication that the ks went above their expectations. Over a quarter mill, plus all the extras people will add on to the pledge manager is nothing to be sneezed.

, between this and a hated bosses last day at work tonight, I will go to bed with a smile on my face . It didn’t exceed any expectations if they had to drop the span between stretch goals to 5K and add a shed load of stuff to the main pledge, AND develope new pledges to get the ball rolling. Plus everything is resin and board game plastic, all the kits aren’t even going into HIPS .

But stay positive It gives me a good chuckle

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Nothing wrong with resin, actually it means sharper details compared to hips.
   
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Here's a real positive spin for you:

With the Kickstarter falling short of funding a bunch of new HIPS for KoW like Mantic intended, they will be more inclined to actually develop Vanguard into a real game instead of treating it like fancy packaging for new KoW minis (like they did with DBX versus DBO)

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I'm starting to get a bit confused by Mantic's difficulty in producing HIPS miniatures.

I know that the molds for the sprues are really expensive! But, Mantic tend to do two or three sprues a year using huge kickstarters. Meanwhile, Northstar, who are a really small company, seem able to get a sprue out once a quarter for Frostgrave and have expanded to doing roughly the same for Oathmark as well. And these aren't funded through Kickstarter, but via modest "Nickstarter" pre-order drives.

What's going on that Mantic still need these big drive to fund their big games? Are Frostgrave et al just so much more successful than Mantic games to be able to fund new plastic so much more rapidly? (Unless Kings of War rapidly dropped off in popularity, I have trouble believing that.) Are Mantic trapped in a cycle of needing Kickstarter funding to finish paying off the expenses of the last Kickstarter? (The dreaded 'Kickstarter cycle?')

I'm getting really curious about this, because Mantic just pulled a quarter mil to fund two HIPS sprues, a handful of PVC sculpts, a rulebook, and some resin sculpts. Meanwhile, Northstar routinely goes, "Here's a new HIPS sprue, a rulebook/supplement, and a bunch of new metal sculpts, ready to go! We're just going to do a pre-order event with some extras to try and frontload some early sales!"
   
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 Psychopomp wrote:
I'm starting to get a bit confused by Mantic's difficulty in producing HIPS miniatures.

I know that the molds for the sprues are really expensive! But, Mantic tend to do two or three sprues a year using huge kickstarters. Meanwhile, Northstar, who are a really small company, seem able to get a sprue out once a quarter for Frostgrave and have expanded to doing roughly the same for Oathmark as well. And these aren't funded through Kickstarter, but via modest "Nickstarter" pre-order drives.

What's going on that Mantic still need these big drive to fund their big games? Are Frostgrave et al just so much more successful than Mantic games to be able to fund new plastic so much more rapidly? (Unless Kings of War rapidly dropped off in popularity, I have trouble believing that.) Are Mantic trapped in a cycle of needing Kickstarter funding to finish paying off the expenses of the last Kickstarter? (The dreaded 'Kickstarter cycle?')

I'm getting really curious about this, because Mantic just pulled a quarter mil to fund two HIPS sprues, a handful of PVC sculpts, a rulebook, and some resin sculpts. Meanwhile, Northstar routinely goes, "Here's a new HIPS sprue, a rulebook/supplement, and a bunch of new metal sculpts, ready to go! We're just going to do a pre-order event with some extras to try and frontload some early sales!"


Good quesion, it's indeed possible that they need a part of the raised money for paying other costs not related to the kickstarter itself.
   
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Tonhel wrote:
 Psychopomp wrote:
I'm starting to get a bit confused by Mantic's difficulty in producing HIPS miniatures.

I know that the molds for the sprues are really expensive! But, Mantic tend to do two or three sprues a year using huge kickstarters. Meanwhile, Northstar, who are a really small company, seem able to get a sprue out once a quarter for Frostgrave and have expanded to doing roughly the same for Oathmark as well. And these aren't funded through Kickstarter, but via modest "Nickstarter" pre-order drives.

What's going on that Mantic still need these big drive to fund their big games? Are Frostgrave et al just so much more successful than Mantic games to be able to fund new plastic so much more rapidly? (Unless Kings of War rapidly dropped off in popularity, I have trouble believing that.) Are Mantic trapped in a cycle of needing Kickstarter funding to finish paying off the expenses of the last Kickstarter? (The dreaded 'Kickstarter cycle?')

I'm getting really curious about this, because Mantic just pulled a quarter mil to fund two HIPS sprues, a handful of PVC sculpts, a rulebook, and some resin sculpts. Meanwhile, Northstar routinely goes, "Here's a new HIPS sprue, a rulebook/supplement, and a bunch of new metal sculpts, ready to go! We're just going to do a pre-order event with some extras to try and frontload some early sales!"


Good quesion, it's indeed possible that they need a part of the raised money for paying other costs not related to the kickstarter itself.


Nope Mantic have stated and shown a couple of times that they ring fence KS funds.

As for Frostgrave by my reckoning they release not so much per quarter but every 7 months or so which is obviously a lot slower.

Frostgrave has a much lower production cost than Mantic's games due to Osprey doing the rules and artwork and obviously the books, they may or may not pay somthing towards the models hard to tell from interviews given(Nick is notoriously tight so would make sense but he may have cut osprey some slack. It also why they don't use KS as they want to avoid the fees)

That leaves North Star with just the plastic production costs which are normally covered to a great extent by the pre orders and sales of the metals.


Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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Also worth remembering that there are moulds, and there are moulds - they can be machined out of different materials for vastly different prices, but as a result have different lifespans before they need to be replaced. A complicated design carved out of a block of hardened tungsten steel alloy may cost $500,000 but will still be pumping out perfect sprues until the heat death of the universe. A simpler design carved out of straight Aluminium may cost as little as $10,000, but can only survive 10,000 runs before degrading beyond usability.

GW moulds clearly lean towards the former, as will anyone aiming for mass battle and expecting to need to sell large numbers of the same sprue, whereas companies like Northstar and Wyrd selling for skirmish, where far less repeats of the same mini are needed per customer, will lean towards the latter.

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As NTRabbitsay, there are differentcategoroes of mould, I remmeberr reading about one for lego that have been in use for 40 years and made millions of bricks (note that legos bricks despite looking simple need a high precision sothat bricks from 2à years ago are still compatible with bricks made today, so any warping or degradation of the mould would make it useless)

This kind of mould is very rentable over thelong term and the best option when you expect very large volumes,but it's also very expensive to make at the start and perfectly justify usiung kickstarter.
   
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Nothing for Fantasy yet on Sale, except the Secret Weapon table plates
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/black-friday/product/roll.html

not sure if this is worth it

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1 hour only until 13:00 GMT

200 Zombies £69.99
100 Skeletons £39.99

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/black-friday/product/zombie-endless-swarm.html
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/black-friday/product/skeleton-century.html
   
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I get a 404 for both, I take it that the offer has already expired ?
   
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Ended 17 minutes ago they will repeat the offer later today (before midnight GMT)


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Saw 100 elves for $65.

   
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Does anybody know when we can expect new Drakon Riders coming?
The concept art is now about a year old.

Or is there a general rework for the elves going on in the background and we have to wait longer?

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Adelaide, Australia

New Drakon Riders were planned to be a dual kit with a Twilight Kin unit, so I wouldn't expect them until they nail the TK changes down first

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regarding how Mantic changed in the last year, giving us resin Drakons like on the concept art now and add a metal upgrade for different Kins later should fit their current business model

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Adelaide, Australia

Aside from the great winged halfbreed reusing the Dungeon saga dragon body, all of their big dual kits have been all resin for both builds, not resin now and additional metal bits later.

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Just wanted to give you a quick update to let you know that things are progressing very nicely with the project. Matt Gilbert is busy on the book and we'll be holding some special playtest days here at Mantic HQ - stay tuned for more details on those, if you'd like to attend.

Elsewhere Rob is putting the finishing touches to the pledge manager to make sure it's all running smoothly. The current plan is for that to launch towards the end of next week. We'll be using BackerKit again, which has always proved to be very easy to use.

Finally, Stewart is receiving lots of lovely renders for the miniatures that we only had concept art for during the Kickstarter. You can see some of those below. Fingers crossed we'll be back next week with details of the pledge manager. In the meantime, enjoy the renders below...

Abyssals - Despoiler


Dwarfs - Shieldbreaker


Abyssals - Gargoyle


Northern Alliance - Huscarl


Northern Alliance - Ice Witch


Northern Alliance - Ice Naiad


Northern Alliance - Ice Elemental


Abyssals - Lurker


Abyssals - Seductress





   
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Is it me, or do they look a bit...squat? Like, the legs look disproportionately short to me.
Also, that big four legged demon is totally from Doom 4. His head is, anyway

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Also, that big four legged demon is totally from Doom 4. His head is, anyway
*swooooon*

Lots of great stuff, particularly the Abyssals (though yea, last couple chicks' legs do seem a bit short).

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Those are looking good. I hope they translate to plastic well!

I play...

Sigh.

Who am I kidding? I only paint these days... 
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Is it me, or do they look a bit...squat? Like, the legs look disproportionately short to me.
Also, that big four legged demon is totally from Doom 4. His head is, anyway


They don't wear battle heels.

Those are some lovely renders, if minis are anything like that..they will be awesome.
   
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This looks very promising, I foresee a large northern alliance purchase in my future.

   
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That way,then left

Those renders look pretty promising, I hesitated during the kickstarter on the northern alliance and I kinda regret it now
   
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The legs on the Northern Alliance guy are in a really weird and awkward pose, like some sort of yoga squat named after a crustacean. I'm also not hugely into the snow drifts on top of the ice elemental.

The rest are cool though

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The only two that look iffy to me are the faceplate on the Lurker (Which Mantic have said on fb will have an alt head, so brill) and the Britney headset mic on the last pic.

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 NTRabbit wrote:
The legs on the Northern Alliance guy are in a really weird and awkward pose, like some sort of yoga squat named after a crustacean. I'm also not hugely into the snow drifts on top of the ice elemental.

The rest are cool though


Yeah, that pile of snow really doesn't fit...would be much better without it.
   
 
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