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I have a bunch of old Blood Angels that I started collecting in the early 90s, starting with Rogue Trader and moving into 2nd ed. I was a kid, so I make no apologies for the state of them. At the time I only had access to Humbrol enamel paints, so they’re pretty badly painted with unsuitable paints. Apart from being badly painted, they’ve also taken a beating whilst being kept in cardboard boxes with little protection for the last 15-20 years or so, including moving house at least 3 times (I’ve moved more times, but I don’t think they came every time).



There’s about 2000 points worth, including two Rogue Trader style Dreadnoughts (anyone remember Contemptor “Chuck”, Furibundus “Fury” and Deredo “Eddy” before Forge World got their hands on them?), a mix of MkVI and MkVII power armoured marines (the MkVI coming from that old late-80s/early-90s plastic set of 30 or so marines - RTB01?), an old Land Speeder and Rhino etc, etc. My plan is to ‘upcycle’ these – strip the paint, re-assemble, kit-bash, and from that create my own chapter of marines, painted to a reasonable standard.



I was inspired by Big P's Oldhammer blog to do my own (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/666916.page). Don't expect the same rate of output that Big P manages!

I want to use my models in games, so everything's done with a view to using them, including the fluff. This is the fluff for my Stark Crusaders:

The Stark Crusaders are a successor chapter of the Iron Hands. They have very much continued the Iron Hands belief that the ‘flesh is weak’ and embrace bionics, mechanical enhancements and of course, dreadnoughts. The Starks’ dreadnoughts are often chapter relics of the old Contemptor, Furibundus and Deredo classes.

They also revere ancient power armour, terminator armour, vehicles and weapons, believing they have served the chapter well for millennia and should continue to do so. As such, a force of Starks will often include a mix of power armour variants, commonly MkVI alongside the more common MkVII, even within the same unit, as well as vehicles that have long since been superseded by newer models.

Much like the Iron Hands, the Starks have a close bond with the Adeptus Mechanicus, which is often reflected in their colour schemes, combining the metal/silver of the chapter’s colours with the red of the Adeptus Mechanicus. This bond has also helped them to keep their ancient vehicles, weapons and equipment in action for millennia.


You can see from the fluff that I’m looking for ways to keep using my old models. Rhinos haven’t changed a huge amount, but my MkI Land Raider and old dreadnoughts are very different to the current models, so I’m looking for a good reason to keep using them. I felt like an Iron Hands successor chapter gave me a good reason to use these old dreadnoughts and the like, plus I quite like the ‘mech’ and ‘flesh is weak’ themes.

‘Stark’ is a nod to Iron Man and the fact that the Iron Hands’ primarch, Ferrus Manus, is literally an iron man. But as Stark sounds like Dark, I couldn’t go with Stark Angels (too much like Dark Angels) or Stark Knights (too much like Batman!). I’ve played around with Stark Blades, Stark Warriors, Stark Hunters but have settled on Stark Crusaders.

The models are mostly stripped of paint and ready to be re-branded. There are a few still sat in Fairy Power Spray because I’ve not got round to cleaning them up. Other than that, it’s just the Rhino, Land Raider and Razorback that need to be done. I don’t think I have enough FPS and they’ve changed the formula, so I can’t get any more!! Not sure what I’ll do with them. Probably need to get some Biostrip 20.





Close up of terminators.



My characters - captain, chaplain, librarians and apothecary.



Some random marines.



The dreads and bikes.



I’m going to put all my independent characters onto 32mm scenic bases, to help give them the visual appeal they deserve! The dreadnoughts are also going onto scenic bases, probably 50mm. All the terminators will be upgraded to 32mm bases, as will some of the marines. Any that look chunky, like the Devs, will go onto 32mm, but the smaller ones, especially the Mk VI ‘beakies’ will stay on 25mm, otherwise they’ll look lost!

As well as the fluff above, I've started writing some fluff for the characters too. You can find everything I've done so far on my blog (https://whittlesey40k.wordpress.com/stark-crusaders/) and this will be updated as I make progress.

Not sure how often I'll be updating this blog. I've just started a brand new Tac squad (which will be Starks as well, giving a mix of new and old). Not sure which of the old models I'll tackle first. Watch this space...

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Love the old stuff. Best of luck on your project!

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The best stuff around now for stripping is Fuze Biostrip 20.

I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes.

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Exciting stuff! I'm very jealous of those rogue trader dreads!

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This looks like it'll be a fun blog to follow!

   
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Just a quick update. I'm mostly working on my new Tac squad (not very 'Oldhammer'!), but here's one of my RT metal marines with the missile launcher from the Tac box.



This guy will be part of my Dev squad eventually.

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Totally subscribed! Woo! Go team RT!

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These are my trial colour schemes. The one on the left I did first, but wasn't keen on the shoulders. The second one has different shoulders and more red on the back pack. I think I'm happy to go with this for my Stark Crusaders.





The models are just some old 2nd Ed snap-fit models from the original game box set I had kicking around. Just using them as test subjects.

My original idea was to have different coloured shoulder trims for Tac, Dev and Ass squads, but I wasn't keen on the green trim, or the silver/bolter metal shoulder. So I've gone with silver trim (with no difference between units) and black shoulders.

Still need to figure out a chapter icon. I'd like to do it in green stuff, but need to try a few first (I'm pretty new to green stuff).

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Definitely prefer the guy on the right. Nice work btw.

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Are you going to paint in full Oldhammer style, or a more 'modern' painting technique (washing, etc)

--B

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 Briancj wrote:
Are you going to paint in full Oldhammer style, or a more 'modern' painting technique (washing, etc)

--B

Definitely modern. For example, the armour on those test marines are bolter metal, then Nuln Oil, then more bolter metal, then a silver highlight. For the red parts I used Carroburg Crimson as well.

I fear using 'old' techniques would result in more marines like those in my first post

But also, the finished army is going to be a mix - most of the characters and a lot of the others will be RT/2nd ed, but there's already a new Tac unit (built but unpainted) and two boxes of Vanguard Veterans waiting to be built. There's also a new style Razorback that I got cheap off eBay. Oh, and one modern plastic bike, to go with the two metal ones in the pics. So modern painting all the way!

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Then you might want to consider how you'll handle the black shoulderpads. Otherwise, the one on the right, fer sure.

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Yep, I'm hoping once I figure out what I'm sticking on the shoulders that'll help with the black. If there's a decent sized chapter icon there, it'll help get away from the mass of black.

I'll post what I come up with!

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My RT apothecary.



My preference is WYSIWYG, so I'm going to lop off the hand flamer and give him a bolt pistol from the Vanguard Vets box. The guys I game with don't care about WYSIWYG, and I certainly wouldn't think twice about someone else fielding this guy with a hand flamer, but I prefer to get things right if I can!

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Nice - Looking forward to seeing what you get up to!

Have you thought about basing plans yet?

I went through a similar process of re-painting my first marines when I got back into gaming - Some of them are in my gallery here http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-17796-9895_Bloodangels.html

   
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Progress is slow, but this is a WIP photo of my captain and librarians.




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Nice - Looking forward to seeing what you get up to!

Have you thought about basing plans yet?

I went through a similar process of re-painting my first marines when I got back into gaming - Some of them are in my gallery here http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-17796-9895_Bloodangels.html


I'm upgrading most/all of my models to 32mm bases. For my characters, I'm going scenic (see pic above). Colour-wise, I'm going with this:

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Another progress update.



It's slow going, and I can only really take photos at the weekends (need natural light and it's dark before and after work!).

Also, the weather's stopping me from undercoating, but I'll try to keep momentum up by assembling some models and posting those pics.

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That's quite a gang of Librarians - Looking good!

   
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My assault marines are cleaned up, re-based (32mm) and mostly assembled. Just need to add back packs (and redo the chainsword arm on one, because it's at a really odd angle!)



For those that are interested, I checked the year on the tab between the legs before cutting it off. They are:

Back row (l-r): 88, 87, 91, 87
Middle row (l-r): 91, 90, 87, 88
Front row (l-r): 88, 92

The guy at the front (power fist) was the serge from the old Devastators box, but I thought he was much more suited to an Assault squad. Who needs a power fist in a Dev squad?!

Given the release of 2nd Ed was 1993, I'm starting to think all my models are RT era. Maybe I'd moved on to Space Wolves by 2nd Ed.

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Captain Lando Stratos - Captain of the Stark Crusaders 3rd Company







This is how he started, as Blood Angels Captain Tycho back in the early 90s -



Then stripped -



And here's my background fluff for Stratos -

Spoiler:

The Stark Crusaders 3rd Company had been ridding Ska'garath IV of greenskins for nine months. It had been a relentless and brutal campaign against a massive ork warband and both sides had taken heavy losses. Lando Stratos's kill rate had seen him rapidly recognised as a fearless warrior and the high attrition of marines resulted in his battlefield promotion to squad sergeant of the 4th Tactical Squad.

That had been just eight days ago. There hadn't been time for a formal ceremony or even a chance to speak with the captain since his appointment as sergeant, and now it was all over. Despite single-handedly slaying two ork behemoths in massive, thickly plated suits of tank-like armour with blasts of searing heat from his boltgun's secondary meltagun barrel, Sergeant Stratos wasn't equipped for the vicious close combat assault of these huge walking tanks. His squad were providing covering fire but their bolter rounds were ricocheting harmlessly off the final ork's armour and it continued to advance. Stratos was too close and couldn't retreat to cover quickly enough. He was quickly floored by a swipe of the ork's giant fist, electrical energy sparking over its surface. Now the giant had him pinned to the ground with a single huge foot to the chest. Stratos could feel his generically enhanced, bone plate ribs cracking, hissing gases were pouring out of the multiple breaches in his failing power armour, life support systems were beeping loudly in his ears indicating imminent failure. He was already dying and now the xenos warrior was swooping down for the killer blow. Stratos's lungs shut down, his vision was darkening and all he could think about was how he'd failed his squad, failed the Starks, failed the Emperor. The ork's fist, the size of a dreadnought's fist, crackling with blue flashes of energy, came crushing down on Statos's face, ripping it off and shattering his skull.

His eyes were still closed, but everything was so bright. Everything hurt. Even his genetically enhanced Astartes body was struggling to cope with all the damage that had been done. But as Lando Stratos regained consciousness, he realised he was still alive, pain confirming the reality. He tried to open his eyes, but only one obeyed his command. The pain was incredible. He could make out the shapes of medicae servitors, he was surrounded by medical equipment and monitors, he must be back on one of the Stark's medical frigates. A weary looking apothecary wearing a blood-stained tabard approached, but Stratos slipped back into unconsciousness.

It was three weeks since Stratos had first briefly regained consciousness, and ten days since he'd been able to leave the medi-deck, although he returned every day for more treatment. The pain was reducing by the day and he'd regained most of the mobility in his legs. His left hand and lower arm was now metal, but he was already using a bolt pistol effectively with it. Accuracy was improving each time his visited the practice range. What was difficult to get used to was his new face. The ork had removed Stratos's face and destroyed half of his skull. This had all been replaced with metal. He only had one organic eye, his second being an augmetic that was better than his original - better night vision, better range, better clarity, better in every way. He'd been rebuilt in just a few days by the apothecary, now he needed to get used to his new body, full of augmetics, so he could lead his squad once again.

The flesh is weak. They all said it, they all meant it, and plenty of Stratos's brother Starks had hands, arms and legs replaced with metal. But never had it hit home just how true that was. The flesh is weak. His body hurt, but only the organic parts. None of the metal hurt. The flesh is weak. His new arm is stronger. The flesh is weak. His new face is tougher and his new eye is better in every respect. The flesh is weak. He won't be felled so easily next time. He's stronger and quicker now. He has an opportunity to make up for his mistake. He can lead the 4th Tactical to glory and serve the Emperor. His body won't fail him again. The flesh is weak.

Over the next century, Sergeant Stratos would indeed lead the 4th Tactical to glory. They became the 3rd Company's most infamous and feared unit, repeatedly succeeding against all odds. Inevitably, Sergeant Stratos was promoted to Captain Stratos, leading the 3rd Company to even more impressive victories and glories.

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I'm still working on my librarians, but in the meantime, here are my dreadnoughts. Cleaned up, re-built and re-based.


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I wish I had a couple of Dreads of that type.

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Don’t forget the toothy grins! Pretty much mandatory on those old guys.

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Finally finished my librarians. So that's 4 models in 6 weeks. I'm sure I'll have the rest done in no time at that rate!



This fella is Idris Astura


This is Ardea


And finally Augusta


And here's some fluff for them all -
Spoiler:

It always started as a prickling sensation in his head, like his brain had pins and needles. It didn't hurt, it wasn't even that uncomfortable, but it was quite disconcerting to know that someone else was inside his head, especially someone as powerful as Idris Astura. Augusta trusted his mentor implicitly, but that didn't make the sensation any easier to deal with. He knew what was next, the prickling would grow and change and become an increasing pressure inside his head, like someone's fingers were kneading his doughy brain.

Augusta and Ardea were being trained by Astura. Captain Stratos wanted them available as a powerful battlefield weapon and Astura knew what was required. He was training them to pool their psychic force into a symbiotic relationship, allowing more powerful and tactically flexible attacks. Idris Astura wasn't the most powerful Stark psyker, the Starks' mysterious Chief Librarian held that title, but his powers and control of those powers still made him one of the most powerful psykers the chapter had ever had. Ardea was only a little more experienced that Augusta, and they worked well together. Combined with Astura's greater experience, they were a formidable force.

Augusta wasn't new to the Librarius, but could still remember his first time there like it was yesterday. He'd been an Astartes long enough to not clearly remember anything before, and for a long time something always seemed...off. He was a good warrior, but he knew he wasn't outstanding compared to some of his brothers, yet in the training cages he often bested men he knew were better than him at armed combat. He could feel a blow coming before his opponent started to swing, giving him time to dodge or parry it and strike a winning blow. It happened enough that it wasn't just good luck. He'd been able to tell when the enemy were lurking in an abandoned building, or lying in wait over the next crest. But how he knew was always a mystery.

It was Astura that spotted his ability. One day, as he was leaving the training cages after another hard to explain win, Astura was waiting for him. He knew who the veteran epistolary was, but they'd never met before. He had a presence, a gravitas, the kind of person that you listened to without knowing why. When Augusta was told they were going to the Librarius, he tried to explain that he was needed by his sergeant, but Astura insisted. Despite Astura having no direct authority over Augusta, he was compelling enough that he obeyed without further question. When Astura explained that everything had been cleared with his superiors, there was nothing to support this, yet it was believed without question. As it turned out, it was true. Augusta would learn that the Librarius had a lot of influence within the chapter.

Within the hour Augusta was taken to places within the Starks' fortress monastery he didn't know existed. Miles beneath the surface of the Starks' home planet Phedra, was the Librarius Monastery. A dark, cavernous space with many small corridors and ante-rooms, the Librarius became Augusta's home. Over the following months Augusta was tested mentally and physically, largely in isolation. For weeks, the only person he saw was Astura. There was standard combat training, a continuation of what he would normally do with his battle brothers, but now there was brutal mental training, punishing psychological tests, and all with little explanation. Augusta had quickly realised all his unexplained feelings and abilities must have been psychic, and he was being tested and trained, but he was never told what the tests were, or what they were for. Until one morning, without warning, Astura introduced Augusta to Ardea. Augusta was to be formally inducted into the Librarius as a lexicanium, a low level but fully-fledged librarian of the chapter. Ardea was a codicer, a little more experienced in the powers of the warp than Augusta. They were partnered together for training and learnt quickly together.

And now they were combining their powers and training to full effect. As the pressure in his head grew, Augusta became acutely aware of the dangers. Despite the relative safety of the Librarius, he could feel the tug of the warp, the influence of Chaos just on the very edge of his perception. It took the combined efforts of all three librarians to keep the Chaos forces at bay, whilst still manifesting the psychic storm of electrical energy they would ultimately use in the theatre of battle. Their combination of minds allowed both Augusta and Ardea to control and manifest powers otherwise only someone of Astura's vast experience could manage. This would become a powerful tool against the myriad xenos foes they would encounter. Captain Stratos would be most pleased with their progress.



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Don’t forget the toothy grins! Pretty much mandatory on those old guys.

Hadn't thought about the toothy grins. They are traditional, but I also want to keep away from a more Orky cartoon style. But I'll figure out something to give the best of both worlds!

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Lovely librarians. They capture the early to mid nineties vibe without straying into the cartoonish-ness you sometimes saw at the time.

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A quick update. I've not made a lot of progress on my Stark's recently. Between organising my wedding and changing jobs, toy soldiers have had to take a back seat.

But here's my Command Squad, cleaned up, re-based and ready for undercoating. A bunch of monopose metals models from '87, '88 and '91, with an old Dev sergeant - the one with the power fist (because why wouldn't you give a Dev Serge a power fist!).



And this is my Assault Squad. Again, mostly monopose metals from '87 and '88, with a few from the early 90s. And another old Dev serge.


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My Dev Squad ready for their chapter icons, then undercoating.

I'm finally getting somewhere on the chapter icon. Once I get that sorted, I'll be able to get loads of these guys undercoated and can crack on with painting them!



The Serge is a regular monopose guy from the late '80s - possibly originally sold as a techmarine. I'm taking the thing in his had to be a signum.

Most of the rest of the squad are from the RT era Dev box set (circa '92), one with an old RTB01 missile launcher.



The last guy is RT era ('91), but with the missile launcher from the current Tac Squad box.


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Yes, your sergeant is definitely carrying a signum. I don't know that he was originally billed as a "techmarine". Most of the old models were just interesting vignettes as Rogue Trader was practically set up as an RPG (you had to roll for random gear on every model so there was no telling what your marines would be carrying). The game has certainly come a long way since then.

The rest of your devastators look great. I used to own a lot of these old minis but sold most of mine on eBay. I still find ones from time to time and post them to my store. The nostalgia of this blog is super awesome.

Looking good so far. Don't lament how long things might take you to paint. After all, they've already been in your possession for decades either poorly painted or unpainted. Now you're finally making good progress on them and they look fantastic. 4 models in 6 weeks is faster than no models in years.

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