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 Anpu-adom wrote:
The Armor of Saint Katherine might not be a 2+ save in the next book. It could be something else.
You are right, probably a bit lower on the wounds total.

Why would it not? Everything so far looks like its been transcribed fairly as-is, with the only real changes being wound counts.

I'm just saying not to assume that things won't change.

I'm saying that assuming drastic change is pretty baseless.

Celestine seems as if she will be pretty well what she is now. Potentially more wounds but I mean... As long as Power From Pain is handing out Ressurections, I think she'll have hers too. So I expect no big shake up with her. I will however predict that the Sisters of Battle in general could see some shakeups.

Question for the day: Celestians and what they will do with them. Discuss!

 Jancoran wrote:
Celestine seems as if she will be pretty well what she is now. Potentially more wounds but I mean... As long as Power From Pain is handing out Ressurections, I think she'll have hers too. So I expect no big shake up with her. I will however predict that the Sisters of Battle in general could see some shakeups.

Question for the day: Celestians and what they will do with them. Discuss!

Probably leave them as is, too.

It would require someone to notice that they have a CQC orient act of faith but don't actually have close combat weapons, and then someone to care enough to fix them.

Maybe they can at least get chainswords, so they can use that Furious Charge with something other than their fists.

We've already got Dominions and Retributors for our heavy and special weapons teams, so it would be nice if maybe the Celestians could get power weapons. Or really anything to make them worthwhile.

What are the odds that AoFs get rolled into the command point mechanic? I could see a shooty one, a choppy one, an armor one, and a morale one listed for the whole army to be used as the player sees fit. That feels like a fit for 8th and frankly more useful than having them tied to unit types like 7th.

 MacPhail wrote:
What are the odds that AoFs get rolled into the command point mechanic? I could see a shooty one, a choppy one, an armor one, and a morale one listed for the whole army to be used as the player sees fit. That feels like a fit for 8th and frankly more useful than having them tied to unit types like 7th.

I sure as hell hope not.

While it would be nice to go back to having faith points, I don't want to have to give up the first turn and all the other stratagems in order to use one of my army's core functions.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
What are the odds that AoFs get rolled into the command point mechanic? I could see a shooty one, a choppy one, an armor one, and a morale one listed for the whole army to be used as the player sees fit. That feels like a fit for 8th and frankly more useful than having them tied to unit types like 7th.

I sure as hell hope not.

While it would be nice to go back to having faith points, I don't want to have to give up the first turn and all the other stratagems in order to use one of my army's core functions.

So maybe just a single special rules per unit then. They certainly seem to be cooking down to a couple of basic rules sructures.

The rules aren't THAT simple.

the unit rules look pretty deep.

That's true. But now that vehicles, MCs, and infantry all share a profile, everything has been converted to target rolls and modifiers, the data sheet is the go to place for every unit's rules, and everyone uses the same detachments, are we still thinking that the Adepta Sororitas will get a unique army wide game mechanism for Acts of Faith? I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Celestine seems as if she will be pretty well what she is now. Potentially more wounds but I mean... As long as Power From Pain is handing out Ressurections, I think she'll have hers too. So I expect no big shake up with her. I will however predict that the Sisters of Battle in general could see some shakeups.

Question for the day: Celestians and what they will do with them. Discuss!

Probably leave them as is, too.

It would require someone to notice that they have a CQC orient act of faith but don't actually have close combat weapons, and then someone to care enough to fix them.

Maybe they can at least get chainswords, so they can use that Furious Charge with something other than their fists.

We've already got Dominions and Retributors for our heavy and special weapons teams, so it would be nice if maybe the Celestians could get power weapons. Or really anything to make them worthwhile.

The thing thats hard (and that is also their own stupid fault) is that it's not like they have a huge number of options for what kind of equipment SoB models can take and so they've got to make 5 different units that all have the same 6 weapon options different. I wouldn't be surprised if we can totally tell which unit was designed last. 'Uhhhh this one get +1 attack on tuesdays, now shut up and ship it!'

ERJAK wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Celestine seems as if she will be pretty well what she is now. Potentially more wounds but I mean... As long as Power From Pain is handing out Ressurections, I think she'll have hers too. So I expect no big shake up with her. I will however predict that the Sisters of Battle in general could see some shakeups.

Question for the day: Celestians and what they will do with them. Discuss!

Probably leave them as is, too.

It would require someone to notice that they have a CQC orient act of faith but don't actually have close combat weapons, and then someone to care enough to fix them.

Maybe they can at least get chainswords, so they can use that Furious Charge with something other than their fists.

We've already got Dominions and Retributors for our heavy and special weapons teams, so it would be nice if maybe the Celestians could get power weapons. Or really anything to make them worthwhile.

The thing thats hard (and that is also their own stupid fault) is that it's not like they have a huge number of options for what kind of equipment SoB models can take and so they've got to make 5 different units that all have the same 6 weapon options different. I wouldn't be surprised if we can totally tell which unit was designed last. 'Uhhhh this one get +1 attack on tuesdays, now shut up and ship it!'

Unless Celestians are the one new model they drop.

 MacPhail wrote:
That's true. But now that vehicles, MCs, and infantry all share a profile, everything has been converted to target rolls and modifiers, the data sheet is the go to place for every unit's rules, and everyone uses the same detachments, are we still thinking that the Adepta Sororitas will get a unique army wide game mechanism for Acts of Faith? I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt.

Well, will Imperial Guard have a unique mechanism for orders? Or will AdMech get a unique mechanism for Canticles? Or Necrons get Reanimation Protocols?

If it doesn't cost command points to activate First Rank, Fire! Second Rank, Fire!, it shouldn't cost command points to activate Light of the Emperor.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
That's true. But now that vehicles, MCs, and infantry all share a profile, everything has been converted to target rolls and modifiers, the data sheet is the go to place for every unit's rules, and everyone uses the same detachments, are we still thinking that the Adepta Sororitas will get a unique army wide game mechanism for Acts of Faith? I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt.

Well, will Imperial Guard have a unique mechanism for orders? Or will AdMech get a unique mechanism for Canticles? Or Necrons get Reanimation Protocols?

If it doesn't cost command points to activate First Rank, Fire! Second Rank, Fire!, it shouldn't cost command points to activate Light of the Emperor.

That's a solid point. I'm hoping for some of that complexity and individuality. I guess there's room for some optimism. By which I mean do not screw this up, GW. The Adepta Sororitas has been overdue for a competitive edition.

 MacPhail wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
That's true. But now that vehicles, MCs, and infantry all share a profile, everything has been converted to target rolls and modifiers, the data sheet is the go to place for every unit's rules, and everyone uses the same detachments, are we still thinking that the Adepta Sororitas will get a unique army wide game mechanism for Acts of Faith? I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt.

Well, will Imperial Guard have a unique mechanism for orders? Or will AdMech get a unique mechanism for Canticles? Or Necrons get Reanimation Protocols?

If it doesn't cost command points to activate First Rank, Fire! Second Rank, Fire!, it shouldn't cost command points to activate Light of the Emperor.

That's a solid point. I'm hoping for some of that complexity and individuality. I guess there's room for some optimism. By which I mean do not screw this up, GW. The Adepta Sororitas has been overdue for a competitive edition.

More precisely, if the detachments we've seen are anything to go by, there aren't that many CP's to go around. The large detachment only gives 12. Even if Orders and Acts only cost 1 CP each, not all my units will be getting one, and I won't be getting any other stratagems.

So I sincerely hope that Faith, Orders, and any other army special function isn't tied to command points. Sisters need their Acts, Guardsmen need their Orders.

 Jancoran wrote:

Question for the day: Celestians and what they will do with them. Discuss!

Rename the Sororitas Command Squad as "Celestian Squad" and increase the unit size to 5-10.

Give their wargear a point decrease to account for the S3 or 8ed it to somehow account for a stronger models wargear not being as valuable on a weaker model.

Give all Sisters squads Repressors as a transport option from 8ed launch.

SORRY, didn't see the WILL DO in that sentence.

GW will look upon the Sisters players and become disgusted by many of their number, lets call them wannabe's, and their cries for the impurity of plastic. They will grow angry, and make Celestian squads a requirement for fielding a Sisters army along with Repentia and then PenEngines. Then make all three much much worse, and far more expensive to purchase. Then GW will laugh at the wannabe SoB players, point and laugh and then fall from their chairs laughing. Only when the SoB players have purged their ranks of those crying for plastic will Celestians be fixed. But they will always be metal.

 dracpanzer wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Question for the day: Celestians and what they will do with them. Discuss!

Rename the Sororitas Command Squad as "Celestian Squad" and increase the unit size to 5-10.

Give their wargear a point decrease to account for the S3 or 8ed it to somehow account for a stronger models wargear not being as valuable on a weaker model.

Give all Sisters squads Repressors as a transport option from 8ed launch.

SORRY, didn't see the WILL DO in that sentence.

GW will look upon the Sisters players and become disgusted by many of their number, lets call them wannabe's, and their cries for the impurity of plastic. They will grow angry, and make Celestian squads a requirement for fielding a Sisters army along with Repentia and then PenEngines. Then make all three much much worse, and far more expensive to purchase. Then GW will laugh at the wannabe SoB players, point and laugh and then fall from their chairs laughing. Only when the SoB players have purged their ranks of those crying for plastic will Celestians be fixed. But they will always be metal.

o...kaaaaay... LOL. Bitter! Table for one! Bitter!

 Jancoran wrote:

o...kaaaaay... LOL. Bitter! Table for one! Bitter!

Not bitter about GW, just a little over run with local players saying that 8ed will see plastic SoB day one. Hoping that we don't just because I don't want them to suddenly hoin the team. GW is fine, SoB are fine, the wannabe plastic SoB so hard players I could really do without.

 dracpanzer wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

o...kaaaaay... LOL. Bitter! Table for one! Bitter!

Not bitter about GW, just a little over run with local players saying that 8ed will see plastic SoB day one. Hoping that we don't just because I don't want them to suddenly hoin the team. GW is fine, SoB are fine, the wannabe plastic SoB so hard players I could really do without.

I doubt it. Maybe some day, eventually, but not day one.

So, no clear Adepta Sororitas association with the new codex previews... I assume we are reduced to being Imperial Agents again? That seems most likely, at least.

Edit: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/warhammer-40000-launch-date-announced-may22gw-homepage-post-1/

 MacPhail wrote:
So, no clear Adepta Sororitas association with the new codex previews... I assume we are reduced to being Imperial Agents again? That seems most likely, at least.

Edit: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/warhammer-40000-launch-date-announced-may22gw-homepage-post-1/

Yes. At least the Stormtroopers don't have their own book [or callout on their book] anymore while we don't.

Or Tempestus to any extent

We're in the Imperium books, obv. Just like there's no separate SM book.

 pretre wrote:
We're in the Imperium books, obv. Just like there's no separate SM book.

Obviously. But the cover is labeled "Imperial Agents", which is a bit annoying when the Legion of the Damned, who have like 1 single unit, get their own callout on the Space Marine book. I'm fine though.

Okay, gotcha. Yes, that is true.

Not that I think it is a big deal since we were in Imperial Agents in 7th.

Really? Because the front of the book doesn't say Sisters? I'm going to go back to worrying about my sweet, sweet, repressors and if they get the shaft or not.

 deviantduck wrote:
Really? Because the front of the book doesn't say Sisters? I'm going to go back to worrying about my sweet, sweet, repressors and if they get the shaft or not.

They are not on sale at the moment so I think they will be gone :(

I'll have to dig around, but there was a tweet about OOP forgeworld models. I thought that the source said the Forgeword was working on rules for everything. *shrug* I don't know.

I think this is the part where through tears I half halfheartedly beat you on the chest with my fists while you hug me saying 'its not your fault'.