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The real issue is the few states where Duty to Retreat exists. Its total BS since it violates some of the basic tenants of common law. Its kinda presumption of guilt in that you are automatically going to be guilty unless you can prove you couldn't retreat, which hindsight is a hindrance to. It also violates your property rights since common law has always held that deadly force to protect property is acceptable.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
The real issue is the few states where Duty to Retreat exists. Its total BS since it violates some of the basic tenants of common law. Its kinda presumption of guilt in that you are automatically going to be guilty unless you can prove you couldn't retreat, which hindsight is a hindrance to. It also violates your property rights since common law has always held that deadly force to protect property is acceptable.


It also gets you killed. I dunno about you, but I think that's a tad bit more important than property.


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Possibly, but only being allowed to defend yourself or your property if you are trapped(a very very subjective question) it's wrong and immoral.

My property is of course less important than my life, but it is more valuable than the intruders life. And by breaking in he has also decided that my stuff is more valuable than his life.

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Depends mainly who is in the house. If you, by yourself, is a huge dynamic to someone who has a wife and child(s).

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Changed the extractor of my brother's Reina, found an alternative magazine, and I'll try to see if anything changes, using minimags and lubing it generously.

And made progress with the single shot rifle's stock, now clean and with rounded tip and a left side flute. Waiting still for it to dry fully, then onto drilling holes for sling attachments and varnishing.
It'll need a bit more sanding though.



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To that, I add that in the evening, I've started looking for pirces and adresses where to have 3 of my guns sold: the Falcor I restored, the browning auto 5 I bought a while ago, and my manurhin revolver because i'm an awefully bad shooter with it. The money I'll get back from this would free some room in my safe, and bring back cash to help reinvest in further guns to tinker with! Next week i'll be making photos and carrying it around to gunsmiths around my block and see how much I can get. Got to play that competition, you know.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Possibly, but only being allowed to defend yourself or your property if you are trapped(a very very subjective question) it's wrong and immoral.

My property is of course less important than my life, but it is more valuable than the intruders life. And by breaking in he has also decided that my stuff is more valuable than his life.


There's lots to unpack in the various rules and terminologies. For a long time Michigan was a "duty to retreat" state, but that was defined is simply moving away from contact if possible. There were legally defined circumstances where that was recognized as impossible, such as in a hotel room or in your own car. What "stand your ground" did was simply eliminate second-guessing as to how far and how much one could retreat, which was always a crapshoot when a jury gets involved.

Michigan put Castle Doctrine in statute, but it was already established case law that retreat within one's home was unnecessary. I think prudence gets you most of the way there, along with the understanding that private citizens aren't the cops, have no duty to solve anyone else's problem and that in most cases retreat is the best possible option, especially if you have kids present. If folks are interested, I'll dig up the youtuber who pointed out that concealed carry is really just about breaking contact, not subduing a threat. Wise words.

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Despite the cold I went out to the range with some friends today.

I got to shoot a braced pistol, which was surprisingly punishing on the shoulder. It could be that the owner was loading exclusively 147 grain ammo.

I also got to shoot a Beryl (Polish 5.56mm AK) and wow does that thing yeet brass. It was tossing spent cases a good 12 feet or so.

Lastly, I finally got to try out the 9x18 conversion barrel I bought for my Glock 42. It worked ok-ish, about half the time it had trouble feeding the first round then ran reliably. A few times it also failed to feed the last round which seems to be an issue with the followers in the mags. I'll tinker with those and possibly the extractor (since 9x18 has a thicker rim), hopefully that'll improve reliability.

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 ScarletRose wrote:
Despite the cold I went out to the range with some friends today.

I got to shoot a braced pistol, which was surprisingly punishing on the shoulder. It could be that the owner was loading exclusively 147 grain ammo.


I assume this is 9mm parabellum? I've never shot that with a brace, so not sure what it would do to felt recoil.
   
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Commissar von Toussaint wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Despite the cold I went out to the range with some friends today.

I got to shoot a braced pistol, which was surprisingly punishing on the shoulder. It could be that the owner was loading exclusively 147 grain ammo.


I assume this is 9mm parabellum? I've never shot that with a brace, so not sure what it would do to felt recoil.


Yeah, 9mm parabellum. It was definitely a strong recoil, and I think in addition to the round part of it was that the entire force was channeled down one little strut sticking off the back of the gun
   
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Depends on the brace. If its one of those that are nothing more than a stick yeah its gonna make your shoulder sore. Not because of the recoil persay, but because its just poking a stick in the same spot repeatedly.

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Zero handgun experience, but surprised any handgun brace would be punishing to shoulder with 9mm, regardless of loading. Was it all to do with where the brace was attached? Was the brace very short leading to a different sort of firing position? I don't know anyone who qualifies with a brace for a handgun so no one around me to ask.

My only point of comparison is the MP7SF and I imagine it is quite a different beast as using that with an uncomfortable brace didn't really have a noticeable shoulder effect, though part of firing it was to push forward on the front grip (I was only allowed to used it with the front grip down) which upon writing I realise makes this no reference point at all.

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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Zero handgun experience, but surprised any handgun brace would be punishing to shoulder with 9mm, regardless of loading. Was it all to do with where the brace was attached? Was the brace very short leading to a different sort of firing position? I don't know anyone who qualifies with a brace for a handgun so no one around me to ask!

My only point of comparison is the MP7SFm and I imagine it is quite a different beast as using that with an uncomfortable brace didn't really have a noticeable shoulder effect, though part of firing it was to push forward on the front grip (I was only allowed to used it with the front grip down) which upon writing I realise makes this no reference point at all!.


As Grey Templar points out, a brace ideally should distribute recoil, but a poor design might concentrate it in a very small area. Ouch!

Just to give an overview, with a handgun, you're using your grip to control the recoil with one (or both) arms extended in such a way that your joints act as shock absorbers.

With a brace, that element is gone, similar to the way you "pull" a rifle stock to create a solid firing stance.

The Mauser C96 shoulder stock/holster, works great in part because it does distribute the recoil, and as you pull it into you, you get phenomenal accuracy. It's a hot pistol round, but the stock is well-designed.

A brace firing far less powerful ammo (9mm has less dakka than 7.63 Mauser) might be far more painful becasue the design was less well done.

Oh, and before I forget: hold off on those purchases, the firearms market seems to be going south. I'm seeing significant cost reductions on ammo and weapons. Not sure where the bottom will be, but I'm holding off until March before making a move.

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I've fired 5.56 from a braced pistol, and 9mm from a braced pistol. Didn't have any recoil issues with either. In fact the 9mm (a SIG MPX) had almost no felt recoil at all. The 5.56 (a gun from Maxim Defense) had an interesting muzzle device intended to mitigate muzzle rise and felt recoil, but even firing 62 grain ammo, no problems at all with recoil.

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Another question!

The following video is from Horrible Histories. One of the funniest shows ever made, and noted for, despite its comparatively tiny budget, excellent historical accuracy.

But here, rifles are bugging me. Specifically the muzzles and iron sight appearing over the main character’s left shoulder.

To me, they look terribly modern, and not vintage. But as always, that might be my General Ignorance coming to the fore.

Any thoughts?



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That's the same muzzle as my service weapon, so yeah. There's something terrible wrong with that

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Yeah, it's definitely not accurate. The way the actor holds it close against his side in some of those shots seems like they knew it wasn't accurate. Probably just whatever prop gun they could find.
   
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We do see the body of the rifle, however fleetingly, in some shots. And it doesn’t look egregiously out of place. As in, it’s definitely not a fully automatic, has a wooden stock and is at least Lee Enfield looking.

But the barrel is definitely not Lee Enfield, which seems to not extend terribly far beyond the wooden bit.

I’d be interested if anyone might be able to chip in with a formal identification though. Not so I can crucify the show, because the show is superb. Just looking to expand my own range of largely pointless to my life knowledge.

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The Lee Enfield No. 5 looks a lot closer, but I don’t think is quite the full shilling?

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The one in the video Looks like it has a gas tube under the barrel. An M14 with the mag out or something?

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Oooh, it may be!

Though given this is a show, perhaps it’s an “obviously wrong for safety” type thing? As in, a prop which couldn’t be mistaken for a live firing version to be used in a later scene?

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Pretty sure the SMLE magazines were not removable, and there is no indication of one in the video so I’m pretty sure it’s not one. As noted above, most likely they just grabbed whatever wooden stocked thing was available from the BBC prop store.

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We do see the body of the rifle, however fleetingly, in some shots. And it doesn’t look egregiously out of place. As in, it’s definitely not a fully automatic, has a wooden stock and is at least Lee Enfield looking.


If it's really some sort of M14, then it is full auto.

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Fair do, I’ll accept both comments at face value

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SMLE magazines are readily removable with no disassembly to the weapon, but it isn't a SMLE.

The muzzle setup and rear sight are very distinctive and do not match the SMLE, jungle carbine, or M14. I ran it by some knowledgeable friends and we're guessing they're FR-8 rifles. The front sight hood does not form a complete circle on the props, but otherwise it seems to line up, particularly the distinctive muzzle device, grenade launching rings, and aperture rear sight.

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Yep, that looks to be the beastie! Or at least is using the barrel.

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It does look pretty much like it. At2.13 in the video you get a pretty good look at the whole length of the weapon. The video one does seem to be missing a bolt handle though. Unless it was a lefty. It does seem a bit weird though that the production company managed to get 1950s era Spanish training rifle. I understand from Gun Jesus that a lot of them went to the US when the Spanish got rid of them the 80s and I guess UK prop companies might also have picked up a pile of them.

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 catbarf wrote:
SMLE magazines are readily removable with no disassembly to the weapon, but it isn't a SMLE.

The muzzle setup and rear sight are very distinctive and do not match the SMLE, jungle carbine, or M14. I ran it by some knowledgeable friends and we're guessing they're FR-8 rifles. The front sight hood does not form a complete circle on the props, but otherwise it seems to line up, particularly the distinctive muzzle device, grenade launching rings, and aperture rear sight.


I concur. For those who don't know, the FR-8 was a Spanish contraption based on a Mauser Kar98k that was modified to resemble the CETME and chambered in 7.62mm NATO. They were dumped onto the surplus market in the 80s I think and prop guys probably snagged a few.

It's a weird choice because SMLEs are easy to find and the British seem to have endless supplies of them for various films.

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Yeah, its definitely an odd choice. especially for a show that was somewhat actually historically accurate.

At the least, they could have gotten those .22 lr SMLE trainer rifles which to my understanding are one of the few guns Brits can actually get.

Those Spanish rifles certainly have a very modern looking break. It wouldn't look out of place on any AR today.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, its definitely an odd choice. especially for a show that was somewhat actually historically accurate.

At the least, they could have gotten those .22 lr SMLE trainer rifles which to my understanding are one of the few guns Brits can actually get.

Those Spanish rifles certainly have a very modern looking break. It wouldn't look out of place on any AR today.


Yes, they were modeled after the CETME to facilitate the transition from the Kar90k (M43 in Spanish use) rifles to the CETMEs, so as many details as possible were brought over, which included the same grenade launching system.

The FR-7s, which were based on the M1916 pattern, did not get that upgrade. Externally they look the same at the regular M1916s, but have had their chamber tapped and are marked 7.62mm on the receiver.

I saw one on consignment at a local store and made something of an impulse buy. Had the Guardia Civil markings on it, and I think these were the last troops to use them.

The completionist in me wants an unmodified M1916 in 7x57mm.

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So had some spare time last night, so thought I would peruse what forgotten weapons had been doing.

Was very interested in the 'Flux' pistol mod kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKEyOZ6ZU20

The item itself is an oddity to me and is not something I am ever going to encounter outside of a show, and corporately I can't see it being offered to us. But the whole development cycle - 3D prototype and production run, simple iteration, big name manufacturer tie in - to provide essentially a very niche (prove me wrong if it is something the market cry's out for) capability. That type of 'home' mod I wonder if it will start to appear in films that want unique firearms (same internals, fancy externals). Also how many big companies will capitalise on this and offer say prizes to inventors that can convert one platform to another to increase sales. I get how its a little like the mil obsession with one platform that can do everything (carbine! Assault rifle! LMG! HMG! - just remove all these screws and add/subtract all these pieces), but really starting from a far lower development cost base. I wonder if any existing systems might find new leases of life if given this sort of glow up.

(It again highlighted the tangle of firearm laws in the US, and I await the firearm that prints 'not a gun' on it...)

Anyone got any experience with this sort of mod that veers into being really a new firearm?
   
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I would love to get one of those. Or just have something that a normal P320 slots into.

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