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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36209649


A state of emergency has been declared in the province of Alberta in Canada after a wildfire forced all 88,000 residents of Fort McMurray to flee.
Officials say the fast-moving blaze could destroy much of the city.
The fire, which broke out on Sunday in the heart on the country's oil sands region, has gutted 1,600 buildings, including a new school.
The evacuation was the largest-ever in Alberta. Oil companies operating in the area have been forced to cut output.
Several firms have shut down some pipelines. This was done to help evacuate non-essential personnel, reports say, but oil facilities are not in the current path of the fire.
So far there have been no reports of deaths or injuries, but two women gave birth in one evacuation centre, Reuters new agency reported.

What residents witnessed
Resident Neil Scott told the BBC: "It was something you'd see in a movie probably. I was stuck between a concrete barrier and the fire and I though 'You know what? I might not make it out'.
"There's whole neighbourhoods that are gone. A hotel burned down, a gas station exploded. One lady that I met she actually was sheltered behind like an electrical box when it actually exploded and she felt a shockwave."

"You could hear the pop, pop, pop because of the propane tanks," Doug Sulliman, a former professional ice hockey player, told Associated Press. "The fire was just consuming these houses. It just destroyed the whole community."

The night sky above Fort McMurray is illuminated by a fierce orange glow as fires continue to burn to the north and to the south.
Above the flat landscape of Alberta's famous oil sands is a towering plume of smoke; a giant pyrocumulus cloud so big that it resembles ash from an erupting volcano and has even generated its own lightning.
As we drove north towards the city, hundreds of residents passed us, fleeing to the south, many towing trailers containing as many belongings as they could pack.
We also passed a fleet of yellow school buses, bound for the town of Anzac and its neighbouring communities, on a mission to rescue the latest people to be threatened by the fast-moving flames.
Fort McMurray itself is sealed off to all but the emergency services but it is reportedly a scene of devastation.
One police officer who lives and patrols in the city told the BBC that, in his assessment, around half of it had been destroyed.

Experts have identified a number of factors combining to devastating effect to create the fire.
The El Nino weather system has led to drier than normal conditions in Alberta and neighbouring Saskatchewan. Unseasonably high temperatures and strong winds have combined with those conditions to leave much of those provinces under an extreme fire risk warning.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said people should not conclude climate change was to blame.
"It's well known that one of the consequences of climate change will be a greater prevalence of extreme weather events around the planet," he said.
"However, any time we try to make a political argument out of one particular disaster…that can sometimes not have the desired outcome."
How authorities have reacted
Bernie Schmitte, an official at Alberta's agriculture ministry, said on Wednesday that the "catastrophic fire" had so far "resisted all suppression methods".
Alberta Premier Rachel Notley said the blaze had moved north and east across Fort McMurray. The state of emergency would allow Alberta to apply for federal funds to help the recovery, she said.
First Nation communities 50km (30 miles) south of the city were given mandatory evacuation orders on Wednesday.


Officials said the size of the blaze was now more than 10,000 hectares (39 square miles) and it was being tackled by 100 firefighters.
Ms Notley praised Albertans for helping neighbours in need.
"We will get through this and we will come out stronger on the other side," she said.

The weather is expected to cool across Fort McMurray from Thursday.
But, if the winds behave as predicted, Ms Notley said, the blaze could move into the Thickwood and Timberlea communities, as well as the area around the airport.
"Bad news does not get better with time," said Scott Long, executive director of Alberta's Emergency Management Agency.
"It is a possibility that we may lose a large portion of the town," he added. So far, he said, downtown Fort McMurray had been spared by the "herculean" work of firefighters.
Fort McMurray: Canada's 'manliest' city
On its tourism website, Fort McMurray describes itself as the "gateway to the north" - a region which is home to the third largest reserves of oil in the world behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.
It may be remote, but Fort McMurray's proximity to Canada's rich oil sands has helped it to become a hugely prosperous place, drawing oil workers from across the world.
It is not strictly speaking a city, but such has become Fort McMurray's importance in the region that it is commonly referred to as one.
Canada's National Post called Fort McMurray "Canada's manliest city" where men outnumber women by roughly three to two.







reports are saying it's so big it's starting to affect the weather patterns.


Looks awful, hope and and all dakkanauts and their F & F are safe and sound

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Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

The Beacon Hill community is at least 80% gone, along with a trailer park that was hit by yesterday/late Tuesday.

Ontario is sending in 100 firefighters, as the season here has been quiet to non-existent due to our unseasonably cold temps. BC is sending in more planes & copters to help as well.
Currently there's a little over 100 firefighters + around 90 structural firefighters on the ground according to the reports late last night/early this morning.

Sadly there's no weather related relief until Sunday at the earliest... Temps will be cooler today, (only a high of 17), but the cold front that pushed through late yesterday is bringing strong winds with it.
There's only a 30-40%'ish chance of any rain later on Sunday/early into Monday.

 
   
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100% crazy, god speed to the fire fighters, can only imagine what is going through their heads...

   
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I have been in their shoes. be safe. radio says main road cut off south now and routing to oil sands camps north.

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Hopefully they manage to get it contained soon. I wonder how it's affecting the wildlife?

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My condolences. Couple years back, had the big Colorado fire and had to evacuate my apartment. Scary stuff. Hope everyone is safe.

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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Hopefully they manage to get it contained soon. I wonder how it's affecting the wildlife?

Wild animals for the most part will look after themselves.

The biggest worry is for any of the equine and other larger farm animals, as there was literally no time to get them into proper transports and move them to safety. Hopefully their owners had enough time to at least release any that were say, in barns for example, as once they're out in the open, they can again have a much better shot at fending for themselves.

household pets are another story... It seems like a number of owners were able to get their cats/dogs, but just as many didn't have time, as most people only had at best, 30min or so to grab what they could and GTFO. (and some poor souls couldn't even make it home at all, as they were at work/to far away when the evac orders came through)
Edmonton and other local SPCA's are trying to help round up pets that have been left behind, but the city itself is now off limits. A number of local boarding homes & kennels have either re-opened, and/or are expanding their services and offering no-charge boarding for pets. (One such business owner actually cancelled her 2 week vacation she was about to leave for, and re-opened her facility. Within a handful of hours, she's taken in almost 20 dogs & cats each, plus a chinchilla, and had room for nearly two dozen more dogs!)

Some of the larger shelters that people have been forced to flee to have set-up areas within them to house residents cats & dogs on site, so that owners can be near their pets.


As for containment, the news reports last night were saying it could be weeks before the fire is 100% contained. The weather simply isn't helping at all, and there's no significant rainfall in the current forecasts.

 
   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36218996



Canadian officials are airlifting some 8,000 people who fled north of Fort McMurray - the city which has been devastated by a massive wildfire.
They also hope that the only motorway to the south will become safe on Friday to move the remaining 17,000 people, who are in danger of becoming trapped.
The entire city - more than 88,000 people - was evacuated three days ago. Most fled south but some went north.
The fire in the province of Alberta has grown to 850 sq km (328.2 sq miles).
Hundreds of firefighters are battling the blaze using helicopters and air tankers.
The fire, which covers an area almost the size of Calgary, Alberta's largest city, has slowed down and is now heading away from Fort McMurray.

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley warned city residents that they were facing a long wait before they would be able to return home.
The blaze has already destroyed more than 1,600 homes and other buildings in Fort McMurray.
A rare province-wide fire ban has been declared to try to reduce risk of further blazes.




Dreadful, those poor people.

Stay safe folks !

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88,000 evacuated, a whoe city?

That's pretty dreadful. Good work by the emergency services.

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You sometimes forget how big Canada is too.

It's a enormous country and you cannot just get people and machine about without effert.

Next up Canadian military lending a hand? More gear and people to clear fire breaks and such.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36224767







...almost unreal.

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My god...some extreme devastation.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
88,000 evacuated, a whoe city?

That's pretty dreadful. Good work by the emergency services.

All levels of government were actually pretty terrible at dealing with the seriousness of the situation & handling the evacuation...

Kids for example were still told to go to school on Tuesday morning, despite fire officials becoming concerned that the fire & weather conditions were rip for disaster! The city wasn't ordered to be cleared until later in the afternoon, once the fire was already within the outer limits of the hardest hit areas.
The fething provincial government didn't even declare an official state of emergency until well *after* Fort Mac had already been evacuated!

The emergency & first responders are probably the only reason there haven't been any deaths yet due to the fire. However, there were iirc, 2 fatalities due to a traffic collision during the evacuation.

But the situation with getting people out should never have gotten as insane as it did... Municiple & Provincial officials only needed to stay on top of the local weather reports to know that Tuesday was going to be a gakstorm in the making, and they could have easily given the clear-out orders first thing in the morning. (or at the very least, ordered all schools & business to shutter for day and people to pack-up and be ready to move in case the worst happens)


 jhe90 wrote:
You sometimes forget how big Canada is too.

It's a enormous country and you cannot just get people and machine about without effert.

Next up Canadian military lending a hand? More gear and people to clear fire breaks and such.

The Canadian military is trained to fight up to a Level 3 wildfire. The Wood Buffalo fire is a Level 6 - the highest the ranking goes. (honestly, I didn't realise this until after reading up more it!)
Thus, putting troops on the ground to help firefighters in this case would be a catastrophically bad idea, as we'd be risking the safety of everyone involved, and the troops would just be getting in the way rather than helping.

The military right now is lending what air support they can, and if still needed, the troops can still be called upon once the fire is more under control.


What they need out there though is;
1. Rain! And sadly, there's no significant rain in the long range forecast.
2. Cooler tempts and the winds to go feth off! Unfortunately, it starts warming up again for the next couple of days, but the reports last night were predicting slightly lower winds.

Still, it's going to be weeks before the fire is brought under control, though as long as the winds continue to come from the west or northwest, that should move the fire away from Fort Mac. (if they get southerly winds though, it could fan the flames right back at the city.)

Here's the local forecast for those interested: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/alberta/fort-mcmurray

 
   
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Is the road south open? I heard on npr or BBC or something that that might be opening up again.

One of the compatriots here, her brother bulldozed through the security and made it south. The story he relayed sounded right out of a movie.

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It's a real tragedy being played out across the globe. I don't say this to diminish the horror of what's happening in Canada - I expect we will see more wildfires due to the cumulative effects of El Nino, climate change and population density in areas affected by these.

Thoughts are with those affected and their families - and best wishes to the brave fire fighters and volunteers working around the clock to defeat this disaster.

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Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto







A couple videos shot by residents as they fled for their lives during the city-wide evacuation.

 
   
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Having had to evacuate from a fire some years back, my heart go out to all the families affected. Stay safe everyone.

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I have a few friends who work in the oil/gas sector. They are all glad of the bottom falling out of the industry as they would all have been there, had they not been laid off some months ago.

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Experiment 626 wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
88,000 evacuated, a whoe city?

That's pretty dreadful. Good work by the emergency services.

All levels of government were actually pretty terrible at dealing with the seriousness of the situation & handling the evacuation...

Kids for example were still told to go to school on Tuesday morning, despite fire officials becoming concerned that the fire & weather conditions were rip for disaster! The city wasn't ordered to be cleared until later in the afternoon, once the fire was already within the outer limits of the hardest hit areas.
The fething provincial government didn't even declare an official state of emergency until well *after* Fort Mac had already been evacuated!

The emergency & first responders are probably the only reason there haven't been any deaths yet due to the fire. However, there were iirc, 2 fatalities due to a traffic collision during the evacuation.

But the situation with getting people out should never have gotten as insane as it did... Municiple & Provincial officials only needed to stay on top of the local weather reports to know that Tuesday was going to be a gakstorm in the making, and they could have easily given the clear-out orders first thing in the morning. (or at the very least, ordered all schools & business to shutter for day and people to pack-up and be ready to move in case the worst happens)


 jhe90 wrote:
You sometimes forget how big Canada is too.

It's a enormous country and you cannot just get people and machine about without effert.

Next up Canadian military lending a hand? More gear and people to clear fire breaks and such.

The Canadian military is trained to fight up to a Level 3 wildfire. The Wood Buffalo fire is a Level 6 - the highest the ranking goes. (honestly, I didn't realise this until after reading up more it!)
Thus, putting troops on the ground to help firefighters in this case would be a catastrophically bad idea, as we'd be risking the safety of everyone involved, and the troops would just be getting in the way rather than helping.

The military right now is lending what air support they can, and if still needed, the troops can still be called upon once the fire is more under control.


What they need out there though is;
1. Rain! And sadly, there's no significant rain in the long range forecast.
2. Cooler tempts and the winds to go feth off! Unfortunately, it starts warming up again for the next couple of days, but the reports last night were predicting slightly lower winds.

Still, it's going to be weeks before the fire is brought under control, though as long as the winds continue to come from the west or northwest, that should move the fire away from Fort Mac. (if they get southerly winds though, it could fan the flames right back at the city.)

Here's the local forecast for those interested: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/alberta/fort-mcmurray


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Supposedly over 30 water dropping aircraft on scene now. Any word if any of those are US, and specifically if they are the big KC tankers? The one that came over the house to drop I swear was only about 200 feet off the dock and when dropped...FROOOOM!

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A couple videos shot by residents as they fled for their lives during the city-wide evacuation.


Holy feth thats terrifying.

How dangerous is it to get that close to the fires? Are you safe on the roads? (well, besides the danger of smoke inhalation). Is that close enough to burn you? (one guy in a car says "I can feel the heat from here"). Is there a danger of cars and gas tanks catching fire from the ambient heat and stray embers?
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:






A couple videos shot by residents as they fled for their lives during the city-wide evacuation.


Holy feth thats terrifying.

How dangerous is it to get that close to the fires? Are you safe on the roads? (well, besides the danger of smoke inhalation). Is that close enough to burn you? (one guy in a car says "I can feel the heat from here"). Is there a danger of cars and gas tanks catching fire from the ambient heat and stray embers?


I'd say as long as you keep moving you're okay (in a car mind you, on foot you'd be in more danger), but yeah, definitely a get the hell out area. There have been cases of car tires and metal sheds melting, but I think the gas tanks catching fire from embers is less likely.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Supposedly over 30 water dropping aircraft on scene now. Any word if any of those are US, and specifically if they are the big KC tankers? The one that came over the house to drop I swear was only about 200 feet off the dock and when dropped...FROOOOM!

AFAIK, no, all the aircraft in the fight right now are Canuck. We did lose 1 plane yesterday, (I believe it was a smaller one), that encountered problems coming in to land, and crashed as it hit the runway, but thankfully, both pilots were pulled out and are reportedly going to be okay.

I know that Quebec has sent some aircraft, and there's been some reports saying that BC has lent a plane or two, even though there's fires burning there. (there's also one here in northern Ontario that's now caused a remote community to be evacuated)
The 100 additional firefighters from Ontario left early this morning for Fort Mac.



@Shadow Captain: the heat from the fires can still cause burns, especially if your windows are down and your skin isn't covered. Stay too long/move too slow, and the heat can begin to melt tires.
It's definitely one of the last places you'd ever want to find yourself, that's for sure! (caught under a volcanic ash cloud would likely be the no.1 place you'd never want to ever find yourself.)

Mind you, some people actually made their escape on horseback, with one rider also ponying their other two horses! (no reports of dog sleds as of yet...)


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http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/evacuation-convoys-halted-amid-smoke-fire-1.2890603

Some good news/bad news... Police & rescue officials got some of the residents from the northern oil field camps south & out of danger in convoys earlier today, but they've now had to postpone operations as the fire is kicking up again and making driving too dangerous.

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The pictures are unbelievable. It looks like Fort Mac has been carpet bombed. The only good news was that no one has died which has ended now. Two people indirectly killed by the disaster:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/2-die-in-fiery-crash-on-highway-881-south-of-fort-mcmurray-1.3567142
One of the victims was the 15 year old daughter of a firefighter.

 
   
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I know there's been a question or two about the animals of Fort Mac: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fort-mcmurray-pets-rescued-by-rogue-volunteer-rescue-team-1.3570266

A group of volunteers who've been helping to refuel the firefighters' vehicles took it upon themselves to go rescue some of the stranded pets.
They're not the only ones, as other re-fueling teams, SPCA & RCMP officers have also been helping to rescue furry family members, and help reunite them with their families.

 
   
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I read an article from a former resident that says we should oppose rebuilding the city itself. I'm not sure if his numbers check out or not, but his figures are that we estimate the oil patch will be dry around 2050, and that the barrel's price won't go back up to where it is profitable until the 2040s.

To be clear, he's not saying we shouldn't help those people, he did have a scathing insight into local culture and "problems", but he's not saying we should abandon those evacuees.

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And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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Actually 90% of the city has survived somehow including all core infrastructure. So any talk of abandoning it is just silly.

 
   
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Let's wait until the fire runs its course as well. For all we know it could criss-cross over the city a number of times.

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Let's wait until the fire runs its course as well. For all we know it could criss-cross over the city a number of times.


The fire has left town and is heading for Saskatchewan now. Sorry man, it looks like Fort McMurray is going to make it.....

 
   
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I read an article from a former resident that says we should oppose rebuilding the city itself. I'm not sure if his numbers check out or not, but his figures are that we estimate the oil patch will be dry around 2050, and that the barrel's price won't go back up to where it is profitable until the 2040s.

To be clear, he's not saying we shouldn't help those people, he did have a scathing insight into local culture and "problems", but he's not saying we should abandon those evacuees.


Link to the article?
That's an...interesting, assessment of the potential longevity and profitability of Alberta's oil reserves. 2014 production levels put us at around 150 years of reserves. With production cuts with the price dropping that's obviously only increased.
None of those plays _need_ $100 oil.

Lot's of bitter dirt bags like to make their opinions known about anything that happens in Alberta though.
   
 
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