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and besides Dreadball rules are MEANT to be bent,

or all the MVPs with no head armour (or just no armour) would just get kicked out, not just fined

the league wants heroes and villains and as long as they get that they're happy

and as for today are TEAMS whoes players cheat, take drugs etc banned. Answer NO, they might be removed from the years championship (eg the occasional F1 team) but they still get to take part.

besides, we don't really know anything about Nightshade or his rules. maybe in his rules he'll just have an improved dodge ability or some kind of cloaking or something cool. elves in green menace were super hard to nail down but once you surrounded them they died so maybe he'll be the same. Jake has said he's not a fan of making super hard not-killable good at everything type mvps and only wants to do interesting ones. outcast asterian reject with a cool technological scifi suit is pretty cool. bit batman really.

That and the figure is only limited edition, so you won't even encounter him that much (well, 1300 and counting will get him but you know what i mean...)

Patches is the perfect coach for my female team

I actually like that this is not grimdark... 40k Bloodbowl could NEVER HAPPEN but as far as I can tell, Warpath is more of a space battle between nation states. Doesn't seem like any Warpath race denies the right of any other race to exist... they may have territorial skirmishes or all out war, but there are always going to be people who 'do their own thing' from every race.

Dreadball is very much corporation centric... so I don't see any reason why Rome can't be at war with countries in the middle east, England and Africa but yet gladiators from both regions would be seen in the Colosseum.

These are all meant to be 'spectacle' sports where the population is satisfied and controlled via the sport which may or may not be fully fair or 'real' in the narrative of the universe, but as a game, we play from a level of 'balance' where the cheating of the characters in the universe is part of our game balance even if not in the fictional narrative balance.

Having a special suit giving him increased dodge may be cheating in Dreadball, but for us it is a balanced effect paid for by cost.

I totally love what I am seeing... I am hoping if all turns out well maybe Hockey season can become the 'everyone break out your dreadball minis' season the way football is for Bloodbowl.

OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.

Doesn't seem like any Warpath race denies the right of any other race to exist...

The Corporation does if it is profitable, or the species is too dangerous. They've happily sent in the Enforcers to make intelligent species extinct on several occasions.

Usually it is more profitable to enslave a race through economic means with a sock puppet government, since that way their labour can be exploited. That's the only reason why the Corporation haven't flat-out killed every intelligent species they get their hands on, economists within the various corporations have determined that better returns would be made from their investment of purchasing the rights to any given hospitable planet by exploiting the native population rather than eradicating it.

This state of affairs is a natural extension of current human activity on earth, where stock market investors will happily let several hundred million people in third world countries go hungry if they decide that there is profit to be made by artificially pushing up the price of grain. It's nothing personal if a few thousand African children / a few million aliens die as a side effect of conducting business in manner which maximizes dividend yield for the shareholders, it's just efficient business.

Corporation background is wonderful and the only really *great* piece of warpath background simply because it is such a direct parody of the current path the humanity has chosen for itself, valuing profit above all else and burning through natural resources at an ever-increasing rate to sustain a system that demands permanent growth. It takes that current state of affairs and extends it out on a galactic scale. Good sci-fi is always a reflection on modern-day events, which is something that has been done very well here... possibly accidentally, since the original stated goal was "make the British Empire in space", which evolved into something much better once the writers got their hands on it (Mantic should give Guy Haley more work).

Money and power drives everything, and DreadBall is one of the major "bread and circuses" things that holds the whole system together.

GrimmKey wrote:
OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.

With 12 days to go, I'm sure it will beat 400K.

Even Kicktraq, which is usually on the low side as it doesn't seem to be able to account for the mad surges at the end, has it just about reaching 400K (though its 'experimental' projection range has it possible getting up to $500K!)

No worries!

OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.

the 5K which pledged earlier today dropped his pledge once they were safely over the coaches. people did this to relic knights as well. they'd break a stretch goal to see what was next and then reduce it once they were safely over the goal.

 AlexHolker wrote:
It's a dirty stinking Gary Stu.

What kind of lame-ass dystopia is this, if the Corporation lets some alien mock them by blatantly cheating at their own game? He wouldn't even get away with that nonsense today.

And anti-matter? The most powerful explosive physically possible?

And why ruin the Asterians by getting them openly involved in Dreadball? Aren't they supposed to be based on the greys and alien abductions, suggesting they shouldn't be showboating on live Corporation television?

its foot ball in space!!

thats good enough for me, FOOTBALL IN SPACE
who cares about the background

 Black Nexus wrote:

OUCH, seems either someone was fakepledging or a bundle of pledgers pulled at once. We just dropped from 276k to 273k. Really wanting this thing to get to 400k so we get all the possibilities on the table, but everything seems to be pointing to people continuing to lose interest.

the 5K which pledged earlier today dropped his pledge once they were safely over the coaches. people did this to relic knights as well. they'd break a stretch goal to see what was next and then reduce it once they were safely over the goal.

I wondered if itwas possible to do that. Not really sure what the point is to be honest, we will only break the goal anyway given time!

exactly and it just negatively impacts people because they build excitement and then that crumbles and everyone thinks its a bit sh!t. looking at Kicktraq mantic have made over $10k today so its still one of there better days it just would have been nice to keep the 5k and do a 20k day.

And here I thought we were going to hit three stretches in one day. Damn. As to getting everything in at the last day...this isn't Ebay, I hope they seriously don't hold back til the end. The sooner the money flows, the sooner they can put up new stuff, and possibly even force themselves into crazy territory like Bones did. Bones, in the last day, BROKE Kickstarter because of people trying to get in for that $100 deal(I didn't, not looking for Fantasy minis). I know it won't get to that level, but we're at 2 bucks per mini right now, which is an awesome price, and I want it to drop like a stone.


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Well, we seem to have properly breached 275k now, at least...

And now the front page has been updated to include battlefoam bags and box foams as choices



we have no count as to how many models either sort will fit,

or info on if the $15 P&P applies to each type, or to international, UK or USA backers (my guess is yes)

And the current Jack (149/200) and Striker (525/1500) levels have become limited, probably indicating the price will rise after that ?

as I can't imagine going, well thats enough money from this KS

we wait an official update, that I bet will take longer concidering the mucking about with pledges earlier

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And now the front page has been updated to include battlefoam bags and box foams as choices



we have no count as to how many models either sort will fit,

or info on if the $15 P&P applies to each type, or to international, UK or USA backers (my guess is yes)

And the current Jack (149/200) and Striker (525/1500) levels have become limited, probably indicating the price will rise after that ?

as I can't imagine going, well thats enough money from this KS

we wait an official update, that I bet will take longer concidering the mucking about with pledges earlier

That's a nice price ($65) for a battlefoam bag (the last one I recall seeing in a promo was $85). But... limiting the main pledge levels? Waaaaa?

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And now the front page has been updated to include battlefoam bags and box foams as choices



we have no count as to how many models either sort will fit,

or info on if the $15 P&P applies to each type, or to international, UK or USA backers (my guess is yes)

And the current Jack (149/200) and Striker (525/1500) levels have become limited, probably indicating the price will rise after that ?

as I can't imagine going, well thats enough money from this KS

we wait an official update, that I bet will take longer concidering the mucking about with pledges earlier

That's a nice price ($65) for a battlefoam bag (the last one I recall seeing in a promo was $85). But... limiting the main pledge levels? Waaaaa?

that's just so they can guarantee shipping deadlines.
...which is rather comforting, once you think about it

Now the offical bit

Please note that these items are big! Please add $15 for shipping per item if you are adding them to your pledge.

We’ve also added the Mantic Battle Foam Bag to the extras which also contains three trays of custom DreadBall foam as well as regular sheets to keep all of your miniatures safe!

EDIT! Romeo has just emailed us to let us know that the trays for the DreadBall Box holds 83 miniatures, the cards, the dice and the tokens! Both the MDF and Acrylic Hexboards fit in the Battle Foam Bag.

On the Limit

DreadBall has been moving quickly - the backer number continues to rise and we're just about to go past our previous high on Kings of War.

We always expected this Kickstarter to be bigger, but with pre-orders coming in and the momentum building, we want to manage everyone's expectations.



We're currently hunting down Nightshade as our $282,500 Stretch!

We are rapidly approaching the end of our first print run and to make absolutely certain that we deliver on all of our promises we've put some caps on the Jack and Striker levels - the two most popular levels for new backers - to ensure that we can meet demand and guarantee that these all ship in time for Christmas. All uncapped pledges (for instance Guard and Cheerleader) are also guaranteed to arrive before Christmas - we're just conscious of the increasing levels we're seeing!

If you've got mates that are looking at this game and are thinking about it, please let them know that know is the time to get in on this once-in-a-lifetime offer!

This is going to get Mantic pledges fast and furious. Glad I pledged early for a change!

Chances are, they're limiting the ones that are going to come in by Christmas. They'll reopen the pledge levels, you'll just get yours after the new year(probably, I don't know)

So new 'magic number' is:
150 striker
25 for Judwan + second team (female)
25 for Zzor + Second team (unknown)
15 for Season1 Guard

215$ right?

Those battle foam cases are nice.

$230

That way you can get the coaches too!

sparkywtf wrote:
$230

That way you can get the coaches too!

that is what I was missing! Thanks!

I'm pledging just 210 right now. That gets me
150 - Striker
25 - Z'zor/FemCorp team combo
20 - 10 color paint set and 3 different brushes
15 - Keeper quadset

Debating grabbing one of those case sets...extra 50-80 bucks though...

Also, we're at 282k!

im already pledging 230 for striker and a acrylic board, now i think im going to increase it to get the goalies, and trying to put some more money aside so i can get the other teams. darn you mantic.

also its at 288k

Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.

Limitations and figure boxes. Shrewd move, Mantic, shrewd. I just hope that they give us extra goodies for going over 10k over their not even front-paged stretch of 282k.

 Alpharius wrote:
You might be taking the whole Space Football thing too seriously?

I'd say that Mantic's not taking the whole Warpath thing seriously enough. I don't like it when a professional writes a piece of fiction where the cracks start showing within five seconds of looking at it.

 Black Nexus wrote:
who said it was a dystopia? it's clean shiny hard sci-fi not some cyberpunk setting.

It's a clean shiny dystopia, ruled by the East Space India Trading Company. That doesn't mean everyone has to be on a diet of gruel and lashings, but it would be nice if Mantic would at least treat their villain as somewhat competent.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and as for today are TEAMS whoes players cheat, take drugs etc banned. Answer NO, they might be removed from the years championship (eg the occasional F1 team) but they still get to take part.

Only because it's difficult to tell when someone's doping. Knocking out the power of the entire stadium? That's pretty blatant.

I'm glad that Warpath isn't grimdark, my complaint is that everything the Corporation touches should not turn to gak. I want Mantic to give them enough credit that when someone they don't like takes part in their tournament and knocks out the power for their own advantage, they'll at least ban him from competing. I mean, the organisers of a children's basketball game could do that if they found one of the subs tampering with the lights during every game, so why can't the Corporation?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.

Basically, Mantic has massively rationed The Striker and Jack levels all of a sudden. There are around 150 Jacks and 400 Strikers left. Once they're gone, they're gone, that's it. So, what we're seeing is a surge from people who were on the fence about this, saw the rationed Striker level and went "crap, I gotta do this now or I'll miss it".

If you want in on this, DO IT NOW, because in about 3 days time, you won't be able to get in on it at the "sweet spot".

We just burned through 60 Striker pledges in the space of 6 hours, and I would hate to see anyone on dakka who has been on the fence about this to miss out.

Or you could take a gamble that new pledges identical to Striker which ship *after* December will be added later. But that is basically a giant gamble at this point in time, we don't know what Mantic is or isn't going to pull out of the hat at this point.

They really should have stated the limit on their manufacturing capabilities right from the start rather than springing it on people like this. Not only would have it been better in terms of communication, it would have encouraged more people to pledge earlier.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

That's a nice price ($65) for a battlefoam bag (the last one I recall seeing in a promo was $85). But... limiting the main pledge levels? Waaaaa?

It's a bit misleading. You need to add $15 for postage, so it's basically an $80 bag. Incidently, you can buy a standard BF bag from Mantic's website for £49.99/US$81 with "free" shipping. The standard one comes with the set standard trays. This one comes with a specific DB set of trays, so it's closer to this one than the custom bag, as you can design your own trays for the custom version. I imagine this will be a new "standard variant". The Battlefoam bag in the KoW KS was $70 without any additional shipping, which was why I picked one up. I'd probably have gotten one of these as well if they were actually $65 or $70, but since it's the same as RRP I don't see a need to jump onto it. Not something I need, after all...


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 AlexHolker wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You might be taking the whole Space Football thing too seriously?

I'd say that Mantic's not taking the whole Warpath thing seriously enough. I don't like it when a professional writes a piece of fiction where the cracks start showing within five seconds of looking at it.

I'm looking at it in the same way I do Blood Bowl. The fact that I don't care one iota about Mantic's Warpath background/fluff makes that much easier, as well.


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GrimmKey wrote:
And here I thought we were going to hit three stretches in one day. Damn. As to getting everything in at the last day...this isn't Ebay, I hope they seriously don't hold back til the end. The sooner the money flows, the sooner they can put up new stuff, and possibly even force themselves into crazy territory like Bones did. Bones, in the last day, BROKE Kickstarter because of people trying to get in for that $100 deal(I didn't, not looking for Fantasy minis). I know it won't get to that level, but we're at 2 bucks per mini right now, which is an awesome price, and I want it to drop like a stone.

This isn't going anywhere near Bones. But on the other point, I'l already down for $140. I was in within the first 30 minutes of it going up. (I think I was the 9th pledger). Having said that, there's now a bunch of extras I'll be adding, but I won't do it until the end of the KS. I'm not saying this to troll you, but I'll explain why - they keep adding new things as the KS progresses. Paints, board, new teams, coaches, etc etc etc. We know there's going to be quite a few more things added in the next 2 1/2 weeks as well, so I have no reason to go in and micromanage my pledge now to add those extras, since I know there'll be more of them and I'll just have to go in and adjust it again, and again, and again.

So I may as well wait and do it once - at the end. This is no doubt an additional reason that these things spike at the end. On top of the "wait and see" people and those making last-minute decisions.

New stretch goal!

Right, all you people who were complaining about "no fat girls" earlier in this thread and ragging on the female team for being too skinny (there were a lot of you!), start pledging.

You can’t miss Helder on the pitch – she’s the one with a trail of broken bodies in her wake. Despite insisting that she’s ready for the role of Striker (and the glory the role brings with it), whether it’s her uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time or her well-renowned right hook (as commentator Jake "the Jackhammer" Thunder found out during what was called an impromptu interview by the media), Coaches have continually pushed her towards playing the guard position – a position she excels herself in.

As a young player growing up she had an unhealthy obsession with the beast known as Buzzcut and Helder often tries to emulate him in her game. Whilst she lacks the physical presence to match him in pure brute strength, she is surprisingly quick (which her celebrity management company says supports her claims that she could rank up alongside the leading strikers of this decade if given the chance), and her "run-up-and-slams" often catch opposing players unawares.

Outside of the sport, Helder has her own range of cookbooks and is known to bake a mean tri-cal Pie.

Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!

My thoughts on this sudden news are not positive tbh.

Is this a slightly cynical ploy after the confirmation of the Chaos Marine Codex (I tend to think not)?

I wonder if they started this KS project far too soon after the previous one. They aren't anywhere near Studio McVey's level of pledges yet so I am very surprised that their 'print run' is so very small.

I thought part of the idea of a KS was to enable a bigger first print (as well as adding bits and improving quality)