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Whoops. It's Old Faithful, sorry, coffee hasn't kicked in yet this morning. I strongly suggest paying a little extra for the English bridle leather.

In other news if any one wants body armor, AR500 is giving away plate carriers and plates for a whole fireteam.

https://www.facebook.com/AR500Armor?v=app_224414684399305&app_data=entry_id%3D65980023%26gaReferrerOverride%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.facebook.com%252F

Nice! Looks like a cool giveaway. And I can't believe that that bill is actually a thing. The "Responsible Body Armor Possession Act." What a crock.

 Hordini wrote:
Nice! Looks like a cool giveaway. And I can't believe that that bill is actually a thing. The "Responsible Body Armor Possession Act." What a crock.

yeah they have been passing them up here prior to that,

because hey, someone could get beaten to death with body armour!

or some crook might survive being shot! that would be horrible, or exactly what people wanted, but thats a topic of another thread on cops shooting robbers!

 easysauce wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
Nice! Looks like a cool giveaway. And I can't believe that that bill is actually a thing. The "Responsible Body Armor Possession Act." What a crock.

yeah they have been passing them up here prior to that,

because hey, someone could get beaten to death with body armour!

or some crook might survive being shot! that would be horrible, or exactly what people wanted, but thats a topic of another thread on cops shooting robbers!

Talk about mixed messages!

 Ouze wrote:
Which are you talking about, the M1 setup?

The pistol and the holster they're talking about. The XDM and Minotaur MTAC.

I couldn't imagine concealed carrying a full size anything IWB. OWB maybe, but I still would go for a compact or sub-compact. That's totally just me though. Much respect for anyone who can manage to deal with a full size CCW.

I can't wait to carry my USP 9c IWB.... saying it is about the size as most full sizes.....

 Hordini wrote:
I couldn't imagine concealed carrying a full size anything IWB. OWB maybe, but I still would go for a compact or sub-compact. That's totally just me though. Much respect for anyone who can manage to deal with a full size CCW.

I carry fullsize but OWB, and I have to dress for it. I'm now shopping for something a little smaller to carry, either an XDS 3.3" in 9mm or a Taurus PT111 (also in 9). Taurus has a poor rep but I think it's based on outdated information, they seem to make solid guns now and I like their ergonomics.

 Ouze wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
I couldn't imagine concealed carrying a full size anything IWB. OWB maybe, but I still would go for a compact or sub-compact. That's totally just me though. Much respect for anyone who can manage to deal with a full size CCW.

I carry fullsize but OWB, and I have to dress for it. I'm now shopping for something a little smaller to carry, either an XDS 3.3" in 9mm or a Taurus PT111 (also in 9). Taurus has a poor rep but I think it's based on outdated information, they seem to make solid guns now and I like their ergonomics.

That's the thing, I don't really want to dress around my CCW when I can avoid it. I could see carrying something bigger during the winter though, theoretically. I honestly don't think I'd ever go for anything bigger than like a Glock 19 though.

I would agree about Taurus (in that I think the bad rep is outdated). Just make sure you do your research on what model you are buying. For example, I have a TCP .380 and I love it. However I've heard the earlier models have had trouble, specifically the ones with A and B at the end of the serial number. I've heard that Cs are fine. Mine is a D and I've had no problems, and I passed up a B just for that reason. I would definitely buy a Taurus again, but I would do some very specific research on whatever model I was interested in.

I wear shorts and a t-shirt with my full size 1911, IWTB roughly 4 o'clock/4:30 . If my shirt's a little tight I might print a wee bit, but I've never had an issue. Nice easy draw, not about to feth up my spine if I fall, all good.

Figure this is the best place to ask... This came up in a fiction book that I'm reading, and it got me curious:

Is an MP5 considered a pistol, or a carbine?

The little LCP (.380) is perfect for a little pocket carry gun, and they make a slightly bigger 9mm version now. You'll only be able to carry 6+1 I think but they are nice. I like the LCP and my dad has an LC9 and likes it too. He often uses it as a BUG when doing deputy work.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Figure this is the best place to ask... This came up in a fiction book that I'm reading, and it got me curious:

Is an MP5 considered a pistol, or a carbine?

its submachine gun in general nomenclature IIRC

 easysauce wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Figure this is the best place to ask... This came up in a fiction book that I'm reading, and it got me curious:

Is an MP5 considered a pistol, or a carbine?

its submachine gun in general nomenclature IIRC

That's what I thought, but the author called it an MP5 "machine pistol" I mean, it's a fictional work, not a political book that's pro- or anti- gun, so its not a big deal.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Figure this is the best place to ask... This came up in a fiction book that I'm reading, and it got me curious:

Is an MP5 considered a pistol, or a carbine?

Generally would be a submachine gun, some people call them subguns.

They aren't a pistol, but not a carbine, but they are too large to really be a PDW (personal defense weapon, like the MP7)

Machine Pistol I think is the "correct" term for it according to HK, who manufactured it. The MP stands for Machine Pistol (if I remember correctly)

The USP from HK stands for Universal Self-Loading Pistol.

sparkywtf wrote:


Machine Pistol I think is the "correct" term for it according to HK, who manufactured it. The MP stands for Machine Pistol (if I remember correctly)

You may be correct in that, but I thought I had read somewhere that MP stands for Military and Police (as the MP7 is not available for us schmucks, only police departments/military groups), due to their initial runs of the weapons being available only to Military and Police

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:


Machine Pistol I think is the "correct" term for it according to HK, who manufactured it. The MP stands for Machine Pistol (if I remember correctly)

You may be correct in that, but I thought I had read somewhere that MP stands for Military and Police (as the MP7 is not available for us schmucks, only police departments/military groups), due to their initial runs of the weapons being available only to Military and Police

MP from HK does not stand for military and police, they stand for Machine Pistol, from the German word for it. They are basically a full automatic pistol. The MP5 is weird, because it is a mix of Machine Pistol and Carbine (which are commonly called submachine guns).

MP5's are legal to own as a civilian, even the full auto ones (as they are older than 86). MP7's are not because they traditionally only come in full auto and are new (therefor can't be registered as NFA). HK does make a semi MP7, but hasn't offered it the civilian market (and may never, because they don't see it as a big market).

S&W does have the M&P line, which stands for Military and Police, but there is no restrictions on who can own them. I have an M&P 15 AR-15.

edit: The MP7 is still a Machine Pistol, thus the MP part. They are more considered to be a PDW than a sub machine gun, but PDW is kind of a new concept also.

Hey guys... I got this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FO37AC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

For my handgun and ammos.

The biometric is pretty impressive.

Nice! Does it have a backup key or anything?

 Hordini wrote:
Nice! Does it have a backup key or anything?

Yep. You use the provided allen wrench to take the Barska label off to expose the key slot.

 Hordini wrote:
I couldn't imagine concealed carrying a full size anything IWB. OWB maybe, but I still would go for a compact or sub-compact. That's totally just me though. Much respect for anyone who can manage to deal with a full size CCW.

I could do it with a .45, but not a double column.


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 Ouze wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
I couldn't imagine concealed carrying a full size anything IWB. OWB maybe, but I still would go for a compact or sub-compact. That's totally just me though. Much respect for anyone who can manage to deal with a full size CCW.

I carry fullsize but OWB, and I have to dress for it. I'm now shopping for something a little smaller to carry, either an XDS 3.3" in 9mm or a Taurus PT111 (also in 9). Taurus has a poor rep but I think it's based on outdated information, they seem to make solid guns now and I like their ergonomics.

is the Taurus DA/SA? Man I cannot shoot DA/SA for squat.


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 whembly wrote:
Hey guys... I got this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FO37AC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Spoiler:

For my handgun and ammos.

The biometric is pretty impressive.

Good deal. I assume it has a spare key in case the power goes out?
EDIT: I see it does. DON"T LOSE THAT KEY!

The German term "Machine Pistol" is older then dirt, and refers to the pistol caliber rounds being fired, compared to the "Machine Gun" of the day. Remember when this terminology came into effect semi auto battle rifles weren't a thing yet.

Then think of it like a venn diagram. Automatic pistols are handguns, that fire handgun caliber rounds. Sub-Machineguns are carbine sized weapons that fire handgun caliber rounds. Some weird models are in between those standards. However my general rule of thumb is unless it's a handgun modified to fire at a fully automatic rate like that Glock 18 above, it's a submachine gun.




So this MAC-10 and Mico Uzi are both submachine guns

and this Beretta 93R


Is a pistol.

Personally I avoid the term machine pistol just because it can be confused with German terminology for a submachine gun.

Yeah. To sum it up, in German, all submachine guns are machine pistols.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I carry fullsize but OWB, and I have to dress for it. I'm now shopping for something a little smaller to carry, either an XDS 3.3" in 9mm or a Taurus PT111 (also in 9). Taurus has a poor rep but I think it's based on outdated information, they seem to make solid guns now and I like their ergonomics.

is the Taurus DA/SA? Man I cannot shoot DA/SA for squat.

It's DAO.

 Frazzled wrote:
is the Taurus DA/SA? Man I cannot shoot DA/SA for squat.

We tried a DA/SA FN pistol and every first round was well of the mark, follow up shots went where we aimed

I did carry a full size 1911 single stack IWB for a few years, but in the last year switched to a Glock 26. My body shape lends itself to conceal carry (5'10" 43 1/2 chest, 34 inch waist, 205 lbs), so carrying a full size isnt that hard. It was easier in the Fall/Spring with use of a sport coat/sweater, and in the summer, I had to pick baggier shirts. But with the Glock, I can carry without the sport coat/baggy shirt and not print. Its easier if I limit myself to the 10rd mag.

I had to switch because by the end of the day, my hips hurt from carrying the 1911 and 2 spare mags. With the Glock, I can run around all day and not even feel Im carrying.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
is the Taurus DA/SA? Man I cannot shoot DA/SA for squat.

We tried a DA/SA FN pistol and every first round was well of the mark, follow up shots went where we aimed

The Wife can. She puts the first one into groin area and the second into the chest area. Yikes which is worse?

 Frazzled wrote:
The Wife can. She puts the first one into groin area and the second into the chest area. Yikes which is worse?

The same pistol my wife put one clean through the middle of the neck and a lot low into the gut, pelvis, and reproductive area (she aimed center mass)

I only own 1 firearm.



I use it to turn off my T at night.

 kronk wrote:
I only own 1 firearm.



I use it to turn off my T at night.

Pfft! It's not even belt fed