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2018/01/10 03:46:17
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
The preview made it look like they were doing the mirror stuff for awhile. There was talk of the longer we have to pretend to be evil the more we lose ourselves to it, and you can’t really do that in a single episode.
Also, I don’t think they said who the Emperor was. Any bets?
2018/01/10 09:32:38
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
(unless he was seen in the mirror universe so can't be, I was painting very small tanks whilst watching as I find the whole thing a bit meh, so might have missed it )
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2018/01/10 10:05:39
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
Admiral Cornwell is unaccounted for in this universe, would be cool to see her as the Emperor given that she was the most outspoken peacemaker in Starfleet command in the regular universe...
Doctor Culber I think is going to be pretty much the same in this universe, though obviously that makes him very outspoken so he's possibly a bit of a nobody (or working with the rebels, but I think they'll save that for Tyler/Voq*) That way Discovery can offer him a ticket out of the Badguyverse by bringing him on board as a replacement doc when they leave.
*Possibly using the same process to infiltrate the Terran fleet as he is to get on board the Discovery...
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2018/01/10 11:55:15
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - on hiatus till January 2018
So, before I saw the show (not having netflix), I was following along with the various reviews and commentary about it and, well, I really wasn't liking what I was hearing and reading. - It was like Star Trek was doing the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica. That sort of thing would essentially 'break' the point of Star Trek to me.
Thinking about it, particularly after last nights episode, Discovery isn't that. Discovery is Star Trek doing "Rogue One" - it's about Lost Souls seeking redemption for past failures. That's the story and hook. And the Trekkiness.
I'd agree with this.
I think it's quite easy to lose sight of just how far Sci-Fi has come in the past decade or so.
Battlestar Galactica was quite the sea change. Yes it remains Sci-Fi at it's heart, but it was so much more than that. It didn't always quite succeed in getting it's themes across, but it's still overall well thought of.
And that means Star Trek has to up its game as well. Having Councillor Obvious use her empathic powers to tell the crew the big space beasty humping the nacelles is feeling amorous just ain't gonna cut it these days. It was a bit silly in it's day, but now it's just too much.
Sci-Fi has moved from the situation, to the individual and how they cope and grow with the challenges. And Disco is at least having a stab at that. I get why it's not quite landing for some, but I for one am impressed with it so far. Took two or three episodes to hit it's current stride but I consider it worth the investment in time.
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So I hear there is a Mirror Universe episode/s - now interested in the show
Is it set the same time / before/ after Enterprise's fantastic two parte MU? I see mention of an Emperor so assume before as the rather fantastic Empress Hoshi takes over at the end of Enterprise's run?
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
It's certainly related to the story in Enterprise with a direct tie-in at one point. I think it's set afterwards, as they reference parts of the Enterprise one as having already happened (in the MU, not the main universe... It's a bit wibbly wobbly timey wimey).
2018/01/10 17:14:16
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
Mr Morden wrote: So I hear there is a Mirror Universe episode/s - now interested in the show
Is it set the same time / before/ after Enterprise's fantastic two parte MU? I see mention of an Emperor so assume before as the rather fantastic Empress Hoshi takes over at the end of Enterprise's run?
I just hope they put a mustache on Michael.
2018/01/10 17:37:20
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
Paradigm wrote: It's certainly related to the story in Enterprise with a direct tie-in at one point. I think it's set afterwards, as they reference parts of the Enterprise one as having already happened (in the MU, not the main universe... It's a bit wibbly wobbly timey wimey).
Yeah I heard the show is a bit odd.
had a wonder around the internet apparently the MU episodes are set
Spoiler:
100 years after Enterprise
episodes in the MU
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Georgiou would fit, with, after ascending to Emperor, she gave her old ship to her most loyal officer (Loyal officer, mirror universe, cause for drama), Michael. Who then dies in her service (mirror...). I think that allows for the maximum angst...
Though my coworkers are really wanting it to be Shatner.
They're also really into this theory that Lorca is actually Mirror!Lorca.
I just don't buy that at all. There's just too much loss and regret from him. Considering the various breadcrumbs left about Tyler, to go full "24 ah hah! Lorca was the baddy all along" for Lorca, feels a bit disingenuous.
2018/01/10 19:46:33
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
Compel wrote: Yeah, we're talking a hundred plus years difference, right?
Hoshi's heir (or heir's heir), on the other hand...
IIRC one fo the novels (Glass Empires I think?) had her granddaughter being Empress - but this is all as someone said Wiberely wobbley timey wimey
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I'm feeling these Terran Empire episodes are good to reinforce the Star Trek themes, something that I, and I'm guessing others, were a bit wary on early on.
2018/01/22 02:58:54
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
There's nothing wrong with it narratively, it's not one of those twists for which there is absolutely no evidence and it's clearly done for shock value, and they were clever enough with setting Tyler/Voq up to distract us...
I'm just put out by the revelation that my favourite character in the show was never that character, and every great line/scene/piece of development he's had was just an act... Which I guess means the betrayal did exactly what it was supposed to, but without Lorca as captain certain other cast members are really going to have to step up to fill that void going forward, no one on the cast has half as much charisma and presence as Issacs.
What I'm now not sure about is whether I want them to then say 'Regular Not Evil Lorca' also survived the wreck of his ship and has been waiting for a chance to reclaim his usurped identity and come back to Starfleet... On one hand, it's very cheap, on the other, we get proper Lorca back and he can continue to be awesome...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Incidentally, anyone know why this week's episode was only 37 mins?
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2018/01/22 21:16:32
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
Yeah, I saw the twist from reading the spoilers (My fault, I know), but there's this thing with Discovery so far where the 'facts' of an episode have sounded terribad but within the context, it's completely fair.
I agree with Paradigm.
Spoiler:
We've gone from a tragic tale of a lost soul seeking redemption to a creepy transdimensional paedophile...
Not a fan.
2018/01/22 22:57:35
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery - Disco is back January 2018
That's like saying that you order bangers and mash expecting bangers and mash but get broccoli cauliflower mix, then justify it as being okay because they are both food.
I was coming into it wanting bangers and mash. By Surak, that is what I expect.
Eh, I went into it expecting garbage, and was surprised with an actual good show. I don’t care about how “Star Trek” it actually ends up. Really the same could be said for Orville for me.
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