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And lucasfilm today basically called that Guardian story a load of tosh.

It's all a bit he-said, she-said and I'm less likely to listen to the guardian or a bunch of neckbearded basement dwellers.

I think this was originally a Collider scoop.

 chromedog wrote:
And lucasfilm today basically called that Guardian story a load of tosh.

It's all a bit he-said, she-said and I'm less likely to listen to the guardian or a bunch of neckbearded basement dwellers.

Hey now, that’s no way to talk about your fellow Dakkanaughts! Some of us don’t even have beards!

I too like how small Solo feels. It really suits it.

Hahahahah some bunch of maniacs are trying to get money to completely remake TLJ.

 Graphite wrote:
Hahahahah some bunch of maniacs are trying to get money to completely remake TLJ.

I'd say more likely some con men trying to capitalise on the situation.

Give us your money, sorry things came up and we can't do it, and we'll laugh all the way to the bank.

It's on the same level of deceitfulness as trying to get $50,000 to start a free discord channel.

See, I think there's a 99% chance that that's true, but there's also the 1% chance that a group of people are so utterly delusional that they'll actually try. I hope it's the latter, because of the supreme possibility of "and hilarity ensued". And hopefully we'd get to watch it all unfold.

It'd be like Spinal Tap, but with movies.

 Graphite wrote:
Hahahahah some bunch of maniacs are trying to get money to completely remake TLJ.

Just have a star cloth and slowly, ever so slowly move a couple of tiny ships across it for about an hour - then you have matched the visionary direction of Rian Johnson and his visually stunning space battle / tense chase......

Hey, hey! He also gave us an idiot admiral and saving/not saving horses instead kids! And pissed on the mystery left in place in TFA! He did so much more than give us a crappy space scene that could only entertain wet sand!

Solo! Focus people! Focus!

Another thing the movie hinted at was a vast array of Non-Imperial organizatiosn and groups working out int he galaxy, even beyond the criminal cartels. For example, Qi'ra cons the mine owner by claiming to be an admiral of a Guild fleet. Then there is the affiliation of the mine owners/slavers as well. They are clearly not Imperials, but mine one of the most important substances int he universe.

Also, did the events in Solo give the Imperials the excuse they needed to take direct control of the Hyperdrive fuel mining plant?

I think that's a fair summation, Easy E. Considering the time involved and Kessel in Rebels season 1.

The cartel running the mines were featured in Rebels - they were one of the criminal organisation strongarmed by Maul.

Just got back from watching solo. Loved it, damn shame it’s suffering because of the last Jedi. Really have enjoyed the Star Wars stories over the new trilogy.

Come on Disney pull your finger out, you can make some great stuff at times.

That's the most frustrating part about TLJ (and to a lesser extent TFA). Rogue One and Solo prove that Disney CAN make good Star Wars films... but all too often chooses NOT TO.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The cartel running the mines were featured in Rebels - they were one of the criminal organisation strongarmed by Maul.

They were featured in The clone wars first, when Maul was building them before his takeover of mandalore. He got the pykes, the black sun and a few other groups under his leadership. Then the empire took over and turfed him out.

I saw the movie and was pleasantly surprised, it was much better than I expected. Fewer plot holes than TLJ, very star warsy, I thought the lead actor was a lot better than I expected, and overall just quite an enjoyable time.

I understand why people did not go to see it, but I prefered it to Rogue One.

That's the odd thing. Practically everyone who has gone to see Han Solo has liked it. Just not enough people want to go and see it.

That’s right. For a variety of reasons.

The movie was released at the wrong time. Too much competition coming in after Deadpool and Infinity War with possible franchise fatigue too. It should have stuck to an end of year release date. Plus, it’s probably paying the price for TLJ.

Solo's box office failure had nothing to do with the content or quality of the film. People didn't go to see it from the start. TLJ hurt this franchise so much worse than the "fans are never satisfied" countermarketing suggests.

There must be a fairly significant number of people (like me!) who want to go see it but haven't had the chance due to cinema going opportunities being reduced to a couple of times a year, which have already been used up?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
That’s right. For a variety of reasons.

The movie was released at the wrong time. Too much competition coming in after Deadpool and Infinity War with possible franchise fatigue too. It should have stuck to an end of year release date. Plus, it’s probably paying the price for TLJ.

And Jurassic World and Incredibles 2 coming a couple weeks later. So if people only have 2 or 3 movie tickets, they have a lot of other movies to pick from.

 chromedog wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The cartel running the mines were featured in Rebels - they were one of the criminal organisation strongarmed by Maul.

They were featured in The clone wars first, when Maul was building them before his takeover of mandalore. He got the pykes, the black sun and a few other groups under his leadership. Then the empire took over and turfed him out.

Sorry; I said Rebels, meant Clone Wars.

 Manchu wrote:
Solo's box office failure had nothing to do with the content or quality of the film. People didn't go to see it from the start. TLJ hurt this franchise so much worse than the "fans are never satisfied" countermarketing suggests.

I understand how that opinion helps prop up your world view regarding TLJ, but *of course* the film itself had a lot to do with its box office performance. It was just a decent film about a backstory that general audiences weren't clamoring for, especially with a new actor in the role.

Sure, there were probably some who stayed away because they were *that* turned off by TLJ. But it's pretty obvious that general audiences simply thought it was something they could wait to see on Blu-Ray. The marketing probably didn't help in that regard. But having seen the film, I don't know that it had a compelling story to market. Some action? Certainly. Buckets of fan service and 'that's-how-he-got-X' moments? Sure. But the film was pretty thin after that.

Lucasfilm will learn some lessons from Solo and be better for it. Like that the Boba Fett film (if it still happens) needs to be more than an explanation of how he got this or that scratch on his armor, or why he prefers a rifle instead of dual pistols. Rogue One is a flawed film that fell short of what it should have been, but it was focused on telling a new story and clearly general audiences responded to it.

I quite like the setting of pre-ANH Empire for stories. Those were the things I really liked in this movie - showing snippets of life in Imperial space. So I will be disappointed if we get nothing more based in that time period due to Solo flopping, but not hideously so.

Both movies are OT spin offs following in the wake of mainline trilogy entries. Both of them were preceded by rumors of troubled productions, including extensive reshoots with different directors. R1 was a mess that benefited immensley from launching on the front end of Disney Star Wars, riding the good will coat tails of TFA. Solo is a much better product in terms of its script, performances, directing, and soundtrack BUT it follows TLJ, and very closely.

R1 also was not a children's story-serial short style film. It was a war movie, in space.

The films were marketed to the same audience, including children.

 Manchu wrote:
Both movies are OT spin offs following in the wake of mainline trilogy entries. Both of them were preceded by rumors of troubled productions, including extensive reshoots with different directors. R1 was a mess that benefited immensley from launching on the front end of Disney Star Wars, riding the good will coat tails of TFA. Solo is a much better product in terms of its script, performances, directing, and soundtrack BUT it follows TLJ, and very closely.

I disagree about it being a much better product. I think Solo was fun enough but pretty forgettable. Ehrenreich was fine, but just that IMO. And I thought the direction was very ordinary.

I will say that it wasn't the Justice League-style Frankenstein monster that I feared it'd be. Of course, it probably helped that Howard (apparently) simply reshot 80% of the film, as opposed to what Whedon had to do with JL - rewriting and reshooting 40% or whatever portion and then trying to sew it all together.

R1 is the frankenstein of Disney Star Wars. I mean, the movie comes to a full stop before pivoting completely away from its own events and characters to really hammer home that this happens right before ANH, which is to say THIS IS A STAR WARS MOVIE WE PROMISE! Look it's Princess Leia! I don't blame KK for losing confidence in Gareth Edwards, given how he could not get any life out of either Felicity Jones or Diego Luna. R1 is a good looking mediocre movie. By contrast, Solo is a good looking good movie. But R1 was bouyed by TFA while Solo was dragged down hard by TLJ.

That said, R1 is still heads and shoulders above TLJ. I'd rather have boring characters I don't like, such as Jyn Erso, being heroic than have characters I like, such as Poe and Finn, constantly undermined.

I get the feeling Solo's biggest problem is marketing, well lack of marketing, and timing.
People are still too fresh from TFA, and it just died against infinity war.

The marketing conundrum is a factor of moving the release date up to May. TLJ just came out in December. The first Solo teaser was played during the Super Bowl in early February, about 100 days before the film released. By contrast the first R1 teaser came out almost 250 days before it released. Obviously, Disney could not inject Solo marketing into its lead up to TLJ releasing. But then why insist on releasing Solo so soon after TLJ?