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My guess is Jain and Drazhar show up, fight, and then Fulgrim shows up as the Phoenix; they put their fight aside to deal with him and then the Ynnari pop in too since Ynnead was birthed to be the anti-Slaanesh god. Let’s see if I think like GW. Lol

I’m expecting Karandras to step out the shadows and shank Drazhar.

There was that rumour engine picture of a ponytail that looks quite Jain zar like.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
New Drazhar vs. Jain Zar

Did noone notice the peculiar Dark Eldar skimmer in the upper right? That's nothing we've seen so far and nowadays GW rarely releases artwork of things that aren't available to purchase.

Reminiscent of the Reaper from Forgeworld.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Reaper-2018

Eumerin wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Isn't it rumored that Drazhar is the founder of the Striking Scorpions? As in, the original Phoenix Lord? If so, Jain doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell against him.

Asurman is believed to be the first Phoenix Lord. Arha was the original *scorpion* Phoenix Lord.

Asurman *is* the first Phoenix Lord. He begat the Aspect system - invented it whole cloth. The Phoenix Lords are him and his students. So "believed" is a bit of.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
So you all get that the artwork is from last year and may have absolutely no bearing on this campaign? It could just be a bit of nice art.

Depends. Do you think they commission artwork a week ahead of release time or do they get a huge lead time on paintings?

Oh I'm quite sure they commission artwork way ahead of when it's due to release. I doubt they release that artwork to be purchased in print before the actual release itself though.

It was only put up today, it’s not been available since last year or anything.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Isn't it rumored that Drazhar is the founder of the Striking Scorpions? As in, the original Phoenix Lord? If so, Jain doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell against him.

Even if that is the case - they are both the same then?

Maybe? Do the various Phoenix Lords pass on their experiences each time they overwrite the mind of an Exarch? If so, then yes. They would be on even playing field (though the Striking Scorpions booted their original Phoenix Lord, Arhra, out because he was TOO brutal in an aspect noted for its brutality). If not, it is implied Drazhar is the original Arhra. Not a reincarnation like Jain Zar. He is THE guy. So Jain would be fighting an uphill battle.

Jain Zar is THE gal, too. Only with additional souls and memories. And she never got her ass kicked by a student.

Eumerin wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Isn't it rumored that Drazhar is the founder of the Striking Scorpions? As in, the original Phoenix Lord? If so, Jain doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell against him.

Asurman is believed to be the first Phoenix Lord. Arha was the original *scorpion* Phoenix Lord.

That is what I meant. He is the original Phoenix Lord of the Striking Scorpions. That they kicked out because he was too awesome.

It's not a simple story of "He was too brutal and so they shunned him". He didn't simply get kicked out. He wasn't strong enough. He lost in a duel to one of his students (Karrandas). To date, the only Phoenix Lord I know of that couldn't cut it and was replaced.

In fact, Raider in the foreground?

I don’t think that is a Raider.

Guns are underslung. And it looks far chunkier than the Raider...

 Red Corsair wrote:
Drazhar V Karandras would have been much cooler IMHO.

Been there done that. Karrandras won.

 stahly wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
New Drazhar vs. Jain Zar

Did noone notice the peculiar Dark Eldar skimmer in the upper right? That's nothing we've seen so far and nowadays GW rarely releases artwork of things that aren't available to purchase.

Isn't it just a Ravager?

Nope. Looks to be a central, hull mounted weapon. Rear portion is also somewhat different.

Bharring wrote:
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It's not a simple story of "He was too brutal and so they shunned him". He didn't simply get kicked out. He wasn't strong enough. He lost in a duel to one of his students (Karrandas). To date, the only Phoenix Lord I know of that couldn't cut it and was replaced.

Where is this story featured? My recollection is that the only time Karandras and Arhra fought Karandras was not able to defeat him and so instead goaded him into a killing rage before retreating.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nope. Looks to be a central, hull mounted weapon. Rear portion is also somewhat different.

It looks identical to the Raider/Ravager but with the hull mounted weapon to me.

Perhaps a new weapon option for the unit?

I wouldn't be so sure it's an entirely new unit, I can barely tell any difference to be honest.

Rear chunk sweeps downward, covering the engine. Ravager/Raider doesn’t have that.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nope. Looks to be a central, hull mounted weapon. Rear portion is also somewhat different.

It looks identical to the Raider/Ravager but with the hull mounted weapon to me.

Perhaps a new weapon option for the unit?

I wouldn't be so sure it's an entirely new unit, I can barely tell any difference to be honest.

It reminds me a bit of the Tantalus, just the frontal underslung vanes are different. but shape can pass.

The artwork says Jain Zar vs Drazhar, but the model supposed to be Drazhar looks pretty much like the Klaivex model revealed.

Klaivex lacks the magnificent hair.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rear chunk sweeps downward, covering the engine. Ravager/Raider doesn’t have that.

Ah I see it now! The Raider doesn't have the curved rear bladey bits at all. Thanks for the clarification! It does look a lot like the Reaper (was it?) that you posted but the rear blades are larger.

Maybee de will for once get some units instead

I shouldn't laugh probably though...

Yarp. Front suggestive of Reaper, rear Tantalus.

Could just be artistic expression of course

Not Online!!! wrote:
Maybee de will for once get some units instead

I shouldn't laugh probably though...

I mean, with the latest Incubi reveal I think it's a bit further past "maybe" now?

Liek, it's a dead cert. Guaranteed. No diggity doubt.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Maybee de will for once get some units instead

I shouldn't laugh probably though...

I mean, with the latest Incubi reveal I think it's a bit further past "maybe" now?

Liek, it's a dead cert. Guaranteed. No diggity doubt.

GW will probably still remove more units from them anyways

Ok i am done now

I'm not too sure how certain I'd be about brand new models, but I'd not discount the possibility of some. I'm still thinking this "campaign" is mostly about eliminating what non-plastic things are still lingering in the catalog.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a list of current models are still Failcast? The GW website sure does not make it easy to search for that.

 H wrote:
I'm not too sure how certain I'd be about brand new models, but I'd not discount the possibility of some. I'm still thinking this "campaign" is mostly about eliminating what non-plastic things are still lingering in the catalog.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a list of current models are still Failcast? The GW website sure does not make it easy to search for that.

From Tyranids theres:

Pyrovore
Biovore (includes the sporemines which are also sold on their own - both also in resin)
Lictor
Deathleaper
Red Terror

For them 2 releases could cover the vores and the lictors simply by using duel kits like they did for several others from the Tyranid line. Red Terror might get replaced or might vanish, hopefully replaced with a neat new plastic kit.


Necrons have
ALL their named characters,
Flayed Ones
At least one generic lord
Some of the destroyer upgrades

So for Necrons a new Destroyer kit and new flayed ones would be easy. The characters are harder unless GW does an amazing multiple option character kit in plastic; otherwise I could see them losing a lot of characters as GW removes finecast simply as casting up that many plastic sculpts in character form would be expensive. The other option might be two necron character "packs". A higher unit price, but giving you 3 or so characters in each pack - thus cutting down on the number of moulds needed.

Genestealer Cults are 100% Finecast Free

Orks have
Kommandoes
Tank Bustas
Deffkopta which is actually still in metal

In theory GW could combine the two troops into a single duel kit and replace the kopta with a new plastic variation. Another "small" (in terms of numbers) fix; even if GW used individual kits for them its still only 3 new kits required.

Interesting. The Necron ones were the only ones I knew off the top of my head. There are still some Eldar ones besides the ones already previewed, I think.

I also think there are still some Blood Angels characters, plus the Sisters line.

We know Sisters are coming, the map implies (IIRC from what was "hacked" out of it) Necrons, Blood Angels and a big "dead spot" that could be Tyranids.

I still think this is plausibly the main "trust" of this campaign, to be Finecast free by/in 2020. I'm unsure how they would do the Necron characters, but the Finecast ones are terrible, so bad that I didn't even bother to buy any more after that first one was so very, very bad.

I suspect we'll be with fine cast characters for awhile to come. with GW slooowly introducing new characters in plastic. characters whom "just ain't that popular" will likely remain finecast.

 Overread wrote:

 H wrote:
I'm not too sure how certain I'd be about brand new models, but I'd not discount the possibility of some. I'm still thinking this "campaign" is mostly about eliminating what non-plastic things are still lingering in the catalog.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a list of current models are still Failcast? The GW website sure does not make it easy to search for that.

Spoiler:

From Tyranids theres:

Pyrovore
Biovore (includes the sporemines which are also sold on their own - both also in resin)
Lictor
Deathleaper
Red Terror

For them 2 releases could cover the vores and the lictors simply by using duel kits like they did for several others from the Tyranid line. Red Terror might get replaced or might vanish, hopefully replaced with a neat new plastic kit.


Necrons have
ALL their named characters,
Flayed Ones
At least one generic lord
Some of the destroyer upgrades

So for Necrons a new Destroyer kit and new flayed ones would be easy. The characters are harder unless GW does an amazing multiple option character kit in plastic; otherwise I could see them losing a lot of characters as GW removes finecast simply as casting up that many plastic sculpts in character form would be expensive. The other option might be two necron character "packs". A higher unit price, but giving you 3 or so characters in each pack - thus cutting down on the number of moulds needed.

Genestealer Cults are 100% Finecast Free

Orks have
Kommandoes
Tank Bustas
Deffkopta which is actually still in metal

In theory GW could combine the two troops into a single duel kit and replace the kopta with a new plastic variation. Another "small" (in terms of numbers) fix; even if GW used individual kits for them its still only 3 new kits required.

I think you forgot a couple, namely;

Ghazghkull Thraka
Warboss with Big Choppa (metal)
Snikrot
Badrukk
Weirdboy
Zagstruk
Mad Dok Grotsnik
Nob with WAAAGGHHH Banner

Mostly special characters to be fair but the Weirdboy, lack of MA Warboss/Ghazzy and lack of generic warboss are strange, in addition to the Kommandos and Tankbustas you've already mentioned.

 H wrote:
I'm not too sure how certain I'd be about brand new models, but I'd not discount the possibility of some. I'm still thinking this "campaign" is mostly about eliminating what non-plastic things are still lingering in the catalog.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a list of current models are still Failcast? The GW website sure does not make it easy to search for that.

Could be that they also want to eliminate some FW resin models, such as the Reaper.

BrianDavion wrote:
I suspect we'll be with fine cast characters for awhile to come. with GW slooowly introducing new characters in plastic. characters whom "just ain't that popular" will likely remain finecast.

You are most probably right. I do think Necron characters would be a perfect case where dual-Character plastic kits would be possible, but I doubt they'd do it for a number of reasons.

It would also be a great time to just redo the characters and make them more play-worthy, but what am I saying, what is this, 4th Edition accidentally good Necron days again?


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 Eldarsif wrote:
Could be that they also want to eliminate some FW resin models, such as the Reaper.

This would also make sense, since didn't they mention "big changes" for Forgeworld?

 Overread wrote:
Necrons have
ALL their named characters,
Flayed Ones
At least one generic lord
Some of the destroyer upgrades

We still also have the Cryptek in resin (the Cryptek with Canoptek Cloak is a cryptek with a specific piece of wargear).