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**Gadzilla666**

GiToRaZor wrote:
charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
It is a bold move to assume Khorne gets the same love as DG or TS got.

Mortarion: "Magnus I can explain-"
Magnus: "You're getting two separate entries for faction specific Temrinators in your Codex and I only get one?"
Angron: "Faction specific Terminators in the Codex? I'm only getting the regular ones!"
Fulgrim: "You guys are getting a Codex?"

Meanwhile, Perturabo, Lorgar, Alpharius/Omegon (whichever one Dorn didn't kill), and the ghost of Curze are standing off in a corner asking each other: "What's all of this 'faction specific' stuff that they keep talking about?". And the ghost of Horus just laughs.

**EviscerationPlague**

But......there IS no ghost of Horus

**alextroy**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
But......there IS no ghost of Horus

You forgot to start your post with "Well, actually..."

You really missed out on a great opportunity.

**EviscerationPlague**

alextroy wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
But......there IS no ghost of Horus
You forgot to start your post with "Well, actually..."

You really missed out on a great opportunity.

I love correcting people but I won't be smug about it

**Gadzilla666**

It was a joke.

**EviscerationPlague**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
It was a joke.

So was my comment, though the total amount of humor might not have been high enough

**Dudeface**

Compiled by Khornestar over on B&C:

More/different leaks/rumors from someone in the World Eaters discord:

Berzerkers:

- Have an inbuilt ability where if they are shot by the opponent, if they aren't killed outright the berzerkers get to move d6" toward the closest enemy unit

- If they are performing an action and you use this ability, it auto-fails. If you have the Berzerker Icon and use this ability, it auto-completes the action.

- There is a stratagem unlocked by the Berzerker Icon that grants 3d6 discard the lowest result for charge distance.

Red Butchers:

- Is now a stratagem for 1 CP that applies to Terminators or Eightbound, grants +1 damage for the turn

Angron:

- Has an aura of totally preventing fallback within 6", no rolling, just can't do it, including friendly models

- Has an aura of re-roll hits for CORE

- Move 16" base S8

Eightbound:

- Do not get a pre-game move, but can arrive from strategic reserves turn 1

Exalted Eightbound:

- Can deep strike

Lord on Juggernaut:

- Can use chainsword or a chainaxe giving +1S -2 AP 2 damage

Blood Tithe:

- Reviving Angron costs 3 blood tithe points, and when Angron dies he gives up 3 blood tithe points

- The ability to grant the whole army auto-wounds on 6's to hit costs 4 blood tithe points

- Blood Tithe points are gained by units destroyed, enemy or friendly

Invocatus is totally an auto-include as the warlord in any game that doesn't use Angron. Assuming any of this is true, he is just lightyears better than any other choice.

Also no army launch box being mentioned.

**xttz**

Dudeface wrote:
Compiled by Khornestar over on B&C:
More/different leaks/rumors from someone in the World Eaters discord:

Red Butchers:
- Is now a stratagem for 1 CP that applies to Terminators or Eightbound, grants +1 damage for the turn

A few more details added separately in Discord from the same sources:

The stratagem above isn't actually called "red butchers", it has a different name.

Red butchers strat upgrade is still 2cp & grants fight twice. Now adds +1 to hit rolls instead of strength.

Other unconfirmed new WE model(s) are apparently done but not being released with the codex, they're held back for a future wave.
Discord speculation: Berzerker-Surgeon character model (which has fluff in the WD Index) seems likely, there may also be a later Kill Team.

**DreadfullyHopeful**

Really dropping the ball on the Hatebound. They do not wear termi armor and sure don't look as gnarly as Warp Talons why should they deepstrike ?

**Dudeface**

DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Really dropping the ball on the Hatebound. They do not wear termi armor and sure don't look as gnarly as Warp Talons why should they deepstrike ?

Because they've been bloodletter bukkake'd

**The Black Adder**

DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Really dropping the ball on the Hatebound. They do not wear termi armor and sure don't look as gnarly as Warp Talons why should they deepstrike ?

They're full of daemons. So I guess they just emerge from the warp.

I think most people would have preferred terminators.

**Geifer**

DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Really dropping the ball on the Hatebound. They do not wear termi armor and sure don't look as gnarly as Warp Talons why should they deepstrike ?

Exalted ones. I figure as the moderately possessed looking ones they get to do the daemon thing and arrive via warp rift.

**Platuan4th**

I know I would have loved to see a 40K interpretation of the Red Butchers.

**The Red Hobbit**

xttz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Compiled by Khornestar over on B&C:
More/different leaks/rumors from someone in the World Eaters discord:

Red Butchers:
- Is now a stratagem for 1 CP that applies to Terminators or Eightbound, grants +1 damage for the turn

A few more details added separately in Discord from the same sources:

The stratagem above isn't actually called "red butchers", it has a different name.

Red butchers strat upgrade is still 2cp & grants fight twice. Now adds +1 to hit rolls instead of strength.

Other unconfirmed new WE model(s) are apparently done but not being released with the codex, they're held back for a future wave.
Discord speculation: Berzerker-Surgeon character model (which has fluff in the WD Index) seems likely, there may also be a later Kill Team.

Thanks for the clarification on Red Butchers, I was worried they were going to be downgraded significantly. +1 Hit over +1S seems fair.

**choppinboard**

Berzerkers:
- Have an inbuilt ability where if they are shot by the opponent, if they aren't killed outright the berzerkers get to move d6" toward the closest enemy unit. If they are performing an action and you use this ability, it auto-fails. If you have the Berzerker Icon and use this ability, it auto-completes the action.

OK so 10 man zerker units are now really annoying because you can't keep them alive on an objective or they'll just finish their action and run at you (because who ISN'T going to take an icon). You can't just whittle them down and hope to shift them or you may be handing the opponent points.

Kind of contradicts Blood Tithe's whole MSU purpose, UNLESS units now have a Blood Tithe "score" based off... something. Unit size? If a 5 man zerker unit gives X Tithe and a 10 man unit gives X+Y or something, I'd be totally down with that.

Not that the enemy will be doing much other than shooting Angron till he's dead for two turns in a row. Can't wait to see someone Bloodletter Bomb him LOL.

**NinthMusketeer**

Sometimes anti-synergy is by design, as it gives diminishing returns on stacking powerful abilities. I support it, especially given Warhammer's track record of ability stacks being problematic.

**JNAProductions**

choppinboard wrote:
Berzerkers:
- Have an inbuilt ability where if they are shot by the opponent, if they aren't killed outright the berzerkers get to move d6" toward the closest enemy unit. If they are performing an action and you use this ability, it auto-fails. If you have the Berzerker Icon and use this ability, it auto-completes the action.
OK so 10 man zerker units are now really annoying because you can't keep them alive on an objective or they'll just finish their action and run at you (because who ISN'T going to take an icon). You can't just whittle them down and hope to shift them or you may be handing the opponent points.

Kind of contradicts Blood Tithe's whole MSU purpose, UNLESS units now have a Blood Tithe "score" based off... something. Unit size? If a 5 man zerker unit gives X Tithe and a 10 man unit gives X+Y or something, I'd be totally down with that.

Not that the enemy will be doing much other than shooting Angron till he's dead for two turns in a row. Can't wait to see someone Bloodletter Bomb him LOL.

Yeah, having bonuses for going MSU or going with a large squad size seems good. No one clear answer in list building.

**Garrac**

So, looks like the one who has said therell be another wave of minis was SirSarge, who to this point hasnt failed any leak so far? I guess then theyll be available when the Angron book for Arks of Omen releases

**Dudeface**

Garrac wrote:
So, looks like the one who has said therell be another wave of minis was SirSarge, who to this point hasnt failed any leak so far? I guess then theyll be available when the Angron book for Arks of Omen releases

What makes you think that? The arks of omen book looks like timed into the codex launch, which given the info to hand will likely be Feb or at a push, March.

**Garrac**

Dudeface wrote:
Garrac wrote:
So, looks like the one who has said therell be another wave of minis was SirSarge, who to this point hasnt failed any leak so far? I guess then theyll be available when the Angron book for Arks of Omen releases

What makes you think that? The arks of omen book looks like timed into the codex launch, which given the info to hand will likely be Feb or at a push, March.

We really dont know that? Im just guessing, since World eaters are due to come in 2023, then an army set coming in january-february seems pretty plausible. I dont think we're an Arks of omen book for each moth, but who knows

**xttz**

Dudeface wrote:
Garrac wrote:
So, looks like the one who has said therell be another wave of minis was SirSarge, who to this point hasnt failed any leak so far? I guess then theyll be available when the Angron book for Arks of Omen releases

What makes you think that? The arks of omen book looks like timed into the codex launch, which given the info to hand will likely be Feb or at a push, March.

The article said books 1&2 are Winter, books 3&4 are Spring. So most likely one each from Jan - April assuming we don't get the first one dropped before xmas.

GW may well want to get the Guard & WE full codexes releases done as close as possible to the January balance update / CA / points changes to avoid confusion.

It's very possible we get a split launch for WE, with the codex & combat patrol dropping in January followed by the Angron model & AoO book 2 in Feb.

**Dudeface**

Garrac wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Garrac wrote:
So, looks like the one who has said therell be another wave of minis was SirSarge, who to this point hasnt failed any leak so far? I guess then theyll be available when the Angron book for Arks of Omen releases

What makes you think that? The arks of omen book looks like timed into the codex launch, which given the info to hand will likely be Feb or at a push, March.

We really dont know that? Im just guessing, since World eaters are due to come in 2023, then an army set coming in january-february seems pretty plausible. I dont think we're an Arks of omen book for each moth, but who knows

Well again, rumours point to no army set atm and just taking a step back, even if arks of omen isn't the same month as the codex, is it likely their 2nd totally unpreviewed wave will come with a book that doesn't contain matched play rules a month or two later, given no model no rules is a thing for all books.

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xttz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Garrac wrote:
So, looks like the one who has said therell be another wave of minis was SirSarge, who to this point hasnt failed any leak so far? I guess then theyll be available when the Angron book for Arks of Omen releases

What makes you think that? The arks of omen book looks like timed into the codex launch, which given the info to hand will likely be Feb or at a push, March.

The article said books 1&2 are Winter, books 3&4 are Spring. So most likely one each from Jan - April assuming we don't get the first one dropped before xmas.

GW may well want to get the Guard & WE full codexes releases done as close as possible to the January balance update / CA / points changes to avoid confusion.

It's very possible we get a split launch for WE, with the codex & combat patrol dropping in January followed by the Angron model & AoO book 2 in Feb.

That is possible, but this is in reference to a wave 2 of new minis, which seems less likely by an order of magnitudes

**Crispy78**

Is it just me that thinks planning for a second wave of models (that are supposedly ready now) requiring a second book purchase before the codex is even out is a real dick move?

**xttz**

Crispy78 wrote:
Is it just me that thinks planning for a second wave of models (that are supposedly ready now) requiring a second book purchase before the codex is even out is a real dick move?

Depends how that "2nd wave" presents itself. The way Sisters were updated was a bit of a dick move, with the previous codex lasting under 18 months. However that situation is fairly rare and quite often factions will get new models before the next version of their book.

In this case the source has since clarified he was told there is another "sculpt" ready for WE, but doesn't have more details than that. It could be that there's a single character model coming in 2023/24, or there is a Kill Team box in the pipeline tied to a model release for another faction, neither of which would require a new WE codex.There might be several other WE units along with a 10th edition codex, but that seems less likely.

**Dudeface**

Crispy78 wrote:
Is it just me that thinks planning for a second wave of models (that are supposedly ready now) requiring a second book purchase before the codex is even out is a real dick move?

Par for the course, Lumineth in Sigmar got through 3 army books in 4 years for the 3 waves of releases, Marines got 2 in 2 years at the turn of the edition. It's not great at all and given the off-putting anaemic release I have to assume there's a business reason behind the decisions other than "make more money" because this release will likely put a lot off.

**Garrac**

I know there haven't been any rumours about any new army sets, but, I mean, come on, this is a new army. This NEEDS an army set, with a very big good reason having in mind that is the only thing that GW seems to be able to release on time.

**H.B.M.C.**

No army "needs" an army sets.

**Dysartes**

Dudeface wrote:
Crispy78 wrote:
Is it just me that thinks planning for a second wave of models (that are supposedly ready now) requiring a second book purchase before the codex is even out is a real dick move?

Par for the course, Lumineth in Sigmar got through 3 army books in 4 years for the 3 waves of releases, Marines got 2 in 2 years at the turn of the edition. It's not great at all and given the off-putting anaemic release I have to assume there's a business reason behind the decisions other than "make more money" because this release will likely put a lot off.

Didn't Daughters of Khaine get through books in pretty short order, too?

**MajorWesJanson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
No army "needs" an army sets.

What's the last book with a major model wave that didn't come out as an army box? Cadians, Votaan, Black Templars, Beast Snaggas, Warriors of Chaos were all army boxes. Craftworlds and Chaos Marines had a battle box with new stuff for both factions.

**Dudeface**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
No army "needs" an army sets.

What's the last book with a major model wave that didn't come out as an army box? Cadians, Votaan, Black Templars, Beast Snaggas, Warriors of Chaos were all army boxes. Craftworlds and Chaos Marines had a battle box with new stuff for both factions.

GW seems to require army boxes have entirely new models in, the only one on that list that didn't is templars. New kit count for this release is 5 including Angron. Logically the army box would be: 1 lord on juggernaut, 1 box of zerkers, 1 box of eightbound and 1 box of jakhals. That's all of the army in 1 box in essence, which you then can spam and rob them of sales down the line. I suppose is 5 kits a "major" model wave?