Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon (news and rumors)

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**Dudeface**

Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm so happy that the resin Telemon Dreadnought is a part of the new Custodes Detachment.

I remain sceptical it means anything in reality to be honest.

The new detachments are based on the existing 10th ed books, which for custodes includes the IA pdf and hence the telemon.

The detachments will likely be invalidated with the 11th edition codex, which is also when they tidy up their legends lists (look at the fine cast drukhari situation for the most recent example).

So should the FW units make it into the army proper, it needs to be in the 11th codex.

That said, ask yourself why GW haven't clarified what is happening in a formal statement, why they have removed the duplicate unit boxes and why there's no 40k branded equivalent available.

I'm happy to be wrong, but the lack of clear communication is more damaging than anything.

**Jidmah**

PenitentJake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Ever since GW gave everyone a free pass to bully people who take a long time to get their army done

How exactly did GW give this free pass?

Like, I agree with you that it's absolutely wrong to bully the slow-paint/ no-paint crowd. I'm just not sure what it is that you think GW did to encourage it. And I'm not saying that to call you out or be confrontational- I'm genuinely curious.

For context: I usually play in a group of players which are mostly friends, but has overlap with a larger local club which organizes events which aren't quite GT sized, but usually have 30+ players. In addition I irregularly play at three nearby stores (usually narrative events), one FLGS, two GW stores, as do multiple people from both gaming groups.

In the group of friends there is one guy who will complain all game that he should be getting the 10VP and berates people who have unpainted models that they should be giving up the 10VP to they opponent to make up for their shame (sounds weird, but what he tells people literally translates this way).
When playing at stores you regularly have people walk over to your game and point out unpainted models unprompted.
The bigger club is even worse. One of their founder is one of those typical small town TOs who used to ban landraiders because they were unfair when he still had a shop. Members call out people with unpainted models even if they aren't part of the game or when they are visiting us to play one of our members. They walk over to other people's games and point out all the model which aren't properly painted or based. When you play at their playing space, during open (non-event) days, it might happened four to five times over the course of a game. Once I had one of their judges getting involved unprompted who insisted to add 10 VP to my opponent's score because I had a single grey runtherd - because I couldn't find any of the painted ones in the morning.
In some cases you even have to fight people over whether your idea of an aesthetically pleasing base is considered "battle ready" or not.

You would literally get more acceptance for walking into an MtG event with a YuGiOh deck than for bringing a half-painted army to a game.

Whenever you try to fight back or call out any of those people, they justify their behavior with the 10VP rule and the three columns of the hobby. It absolutely ruins the hobby for people who try to get their stuff painted, but can't for good reasons.
If I ever get around to starting a third army, it will not see a single can of primer. For someone who takes a week to paint a unit of six like me, even the smallest effort is just a waste of time and money.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
@ccs I appreciate what you are trying to do, but when I look at that helbrute which took ages to fully magnetize (yes, it can swap to every option on the datasheet), it just makes me sad that it doesn't look as good as my daemon prince or PBC next to it.
But I can't change that. Next time I get to paint, I need to have three colors of paint on my breaka boyz, because otherwise people feel entitled to interrupt my game to be a dick.

**Lathe Biosas**

Dudeface wrote:
Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm so happy that the resin Telemon Dreadnought is a part of the new Custodes Detachment.

I remain sceptical it means anything in reality to be honest.

The new detachments are based on the existing 10th ed books, which for custodes includes the IA pdf and hence the telemon.

The detachments will likely be invalidated with the 11th edition codex, which is also when they tidy up their legends lists (look at the fine cast drukhari situation for the most recent example).

So should the FW units make it into the army proper, it needs to be in the 11th codex.

That said, ask yourself why GW haven't clarified what is happeninthen why makeg in a formal statement, why they have removed the duplicate unit boxes and why there's no 40k branded equivalent available.

I'm happy to be wrong, but the lack of clear communication is more damaging than anything.

Then why make such a big deal about the Telemon in the Custodes Faction focus?

**Galas**

Jidmah wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Ever since GW gave everyone a free pass to bully people who take a long time to get their army done

How exactly did GW give this free pass?

Like, I agree with you that it's absolutely wrong to bully the slow-paint/ no-paint crowd. I'm just not sure what it is that you think GW did to encourage it. And I'm not saying that to call you out or be confrontational- I'm genuinely curious.

For context: I usually play in a group of players which are mostly friends, but has overlap with a larger local club which organizes events which aren't quite GT sized, but usually have 30+ players. In addition I irregularly play at three nearby stores (usually narrative events), one FLGS, two GW stores, as do multiple people from both gaming groups.

In the group of friends there is one guy who will complain all game that he should be getting the 10VP and berates people who have unpainted models that they should be giving up the 10VP to they opponent to make up for their shame (sounds weird, but what he tells people literally translates this way).
When playing at stores you regularly have people walk over to your game and point out unpainted models unprompted.
The bigger club is even worse. One of their founder is one of those typical small town TOs who used to ban landraiders because they were unfair when he still had a shop. Members call out people with unpainted models even if they aren't part of the game or when they are visiting us to play one of our members. They walk over to other people's games and point out all the model which aren't properly painted or based. When you play at their playing space, during open (non-event) days, it might happened four to five times over the course of a game. Once I had one of their judges getting involved unprompted who insisted to add 10 VP to my opponent's score because I had a single grey runtherd - because I couldn't find any of the painted ones in the morning.
In some cases you even have to fight people over whether your idea of an aesthetically pleasing base is considered "battle ready" or not.

You would literally get more acceptance for walking into an MtG event with a YuGiOh deck than for bringing a half-painted army to a game.

Whenever you try to fight back or call out any of those people, they justify their behavior with the 10VP rule and the three columns of the hobby. It absolutely ruins the hobby for people who try to get their stuff painted, but can't for good reasons.
If I ever get around to starting a third army, it will not see a single can of primer. For someone who takes a week to paint a unit of six like me, even the smallest effort is just a waste of time and money.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
@ccs I appreciate what you are trying to do, but when I look at that helbrute which took ages to fully magnetize (yes, it can swap to every option on the datasheet), it just makes me sad that it doesn't look as good as my daemon prince or PBC next to it.
But I can't change that. Next time I get to paint, I need to have three colors of paint on my breaka boyz, because otherwise people feel entitled to interrupt my game to be a dick.

Your playing enviroment reads horrible, tbf. I hate painting and I'm a very slow painter (But I consider myself decent). And I have played with gray armies many times. But warhammer is all about lovely painted armies on a table. Is all about the visual spectacle. The lore is fun but shallow, the rules are mediocre, and the memes unfunny. But the painted armies on a good table? Man thats the great part about this. Theres a reason why as childre looking at the pictures of armies on white dwarf we where left eye oppened.

But I cannot get myself to paint badly lovely models I paid so much for. So I just play with my painted miniatures and I take years to complete forces to play with them. But year after year one gets to get a good amount of painted armies/units.

If you are in such a toxic vicious cycle (I want to use new minis but i hate painting minis because i'm to slow to have them painted fast enough to use them) I would recommend taking a step back and really thinkg if you are getting enjoyement out of the experience. Maybe you'll get more playing with what you have allready lovely painted, and take your time to paint to a decent standart you are comfortable with, instead of feeling you need to slap 3 colors and put them on the table as fast as possible.

**Billicus**

It made more sense back before the rules and armies changed so quickly. Taking a year to paint 20 boyz and a trukk didn't matter because an ork army was always going to need boyz and trukks, the pressure wasn't there. Now you know every edition is on an absolute maximum of 3 years, depending on when your army book lands in the cycle you might get less, so get your skates on sunshine

**Slipspace**

Jidmah wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Ever since GW gave everyone a free pass to bully people who take a long time to get their army done

How exactly did GW give this free pass?

Like, I agree with you that it's absolutely wrong to bully the slow-paint/ no-paint crowd. I'm just not sure what it is that you think GW did to encourage it. And I'm not saying that to call you out or be confrontational- I'm genuinely curious.

For context: I usually play in a group of players which are mostly friends, but has overlap with a larger local club which organizes events which aren't quite GT sized, but usually have 30+ players. In addition I irregularly play at three nearby stores (usually narrative events), one FLGS, two GW stores, as do multiple people from both gaming groups.

In the group of friends there is one guy who will complain all game that he should be getting the 10VP and berates people who have unpainted models that they should be giving up the 10VP to they opponent to make up for their shame (sounds weird, but what he tells people literally translates this way).
When playing at stores you regularly have people walk over to your game and point out unpainted models unprompted.
The bigger club is even worse. One of their founder is one of those typical small town TOs who used to ban landraiders because they were unfair when he still had a shop. Members call out people with unpainted models even if they aren't part of the game or when they are visiting us to play one of our members. They walk over to other people's games and point out all the model which aren't properly painted or based. When you play at their playing space, during open (non-event) days, it might happened four to five times over the course of a game. Once I had one of their judges getting involved unprompted who insisted to add 10 VP to my opponent's score because I had a single grey runtherd - because I couldn't find any of the painted ones in the morning.
In some cases you even have to fight people over whether your idea of an aesthetically pleasing base is considered "battle ready" or not.

You would literally get more acceptance for walking into an MtG event with a YuGiOh deck than for bringing a half-painted army to a game.

Whenever you try to fight back or call out any of those people, they justify their behavior with the 10VP rule and the three columns of the hobby. It absolutely ruins the hobby for people who try to get their stuff painted, but can't for good reasons.
If I ever get around to starting a third army, it will not see a single can of primer. For someone who takes a week to paint a unit of six like me, even the smallest effort is just a waste of time and money.

This reads more like a problem with your local players than anything to do with painting. IME, people like you're describing will be gakky about something regardless of what the GW rules "allow" them to complain about. If it's not paint it would be the "overpowered" units in your army, or the "underpowered" units that mean you're not a serious player. Or they'd complain about the aulity of your painting even if they were painted. This isn't about the 10VPs for painting, it's about your local players being toxic TFGs. Toxic people will find a way to be toxic regardless of the framework they're operating in.

The 10VP thing shouldn't make any difference outside of events anyway. Who cares if someone decides you don't deserve the 10 points in a pick-up game? The result doesn't contribute towards anything outside of that one game, so if you don't think the 10VP should apply, you just don't count it and you can evaluate your performance based on the play on the table. If your opponent wants to say they won because of the extra 10VPs they got over you for painting, who cares? At an event, you follow whatever rules the organiser implements. As long as they're published in advance I don't see a problem.

**deano2099**

callidusx3 wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
i have never, ever seen the 10 pts for painted be ever enforced, like ever.
any real hobbyist will understand the time and effort and will say both get it. i havent even seen RTT enforce it

This rule knocked me from 1st to 4th place in one local event.

But you (and presumably everyone else there) knew you played the best at that event. And presumably you still had fun playing? Did you maybe miss out on a cool prize? If not I don't really see the problem. If you're only interested in the actual playing of the game, you're still able to play and you're still able to judge how you did against everyone else.

**Dudeface**

Lathe Biosas wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm so happy that the resin Telemon Dreadnought is a part of the new Custodes Detachment.

I remain sceptical it means anything in reality to be honest.

The new detachments are based on the existing 10th ed books, which for custodes includes the IA pdf and hence the telemon.

The detachments will likely be invalidated with the 11th edition codex, which is also when they tidy up their legends lists (look at the fine cast drukhari situation for the most recent example).

So should the FW units make it into the army proper, it needs to be in the 11th codex.

That said, ask yourself why GW haven't clarified what is happeninthen why makeg in a formal statement, why they have removed the duplicate unit boxes and why there's no 40k branded equivalent available.

I'm happy to be wrong, but the lack of clear communication is more damaging than anything.

Then why make such a big deal about the Telemon in the Custodes Faction focus?

So people buy them.

**Tannhauser42**

GW has confirmed in social media comments that the Custodes dreads, grav tanks, etc will continue to be supported through 11th edition

**Asmodai**

Billicus wrote:
It made more sense back before the rules and armies changed so quickly. Taking a year to paint 20 boyz and a trukk didn't matter because an ork army was always going to need boyz and trukks, the pressure wasn't there. Now you know every edition is on an absolute maximum of 3 years, depending on when your army book lands in the cycle you might get less, so get your skates on sunshine

And through it all, Ork armies still need Boyz and Trukks and the core of my Guard in Infantry Squads and Leman Russ tanks hasn't changed much at all since 1998.

**kirotheavenger**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
GW has confirmed in social media comments that the Custodes dreads, grav tanks, etc will continue to be supported through 11th edition

With marketing I generally think it's best to interpret what is said in the worst possible light, as if they could have said something more positive they would have done so.
"supported through 11th edition" could just as well Legends. Which, for a lot of people, might as well be a non-factor.
Although the post I saw GW said they would be "supported in 11th edition" which is notably different to "through", it could just refer to the current rules at the start of the edition, but perhaps they've made a post since.

Let's not forget when GW made a big show of how Horus Heresy vehicles were playable in 40k, only to yank that rug out six months later.

**Dudeface**

kirotheavenger wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
GW has confirmed in social media comments that the Custodes dreads, grav tanks, etc will continue to be supported through 11th edition

With marketing I generally think it's best to interpret what is said in the worst possible light, as if they could have said something more positive they would have done so.
"supported through 11th edition" could just as well Legends. Which, for a lot of people, might as well be a non-factor.
Although the post I saw GW said they would be "supported in 11th edition" which is notably different to "through", it could just refer to the current rules at the start of the edition, but perhaps they've made a post since.

Let's not forget when GW made a big show of how Horus Heresy vehicles were playable in 40k, only to yank that rug out six months later.

I can't find it now but they did say "through" but as you say, that might be legends.

I will die on the hill of the fact they won't just make a clear cut statement for a reason.

Edit: got it.

**Lord Damocles**

Lathe Biosas wrote:

Then why make such a big deal about the Telemon in the Custodes Faction focus?

Because buy it now, and then buy something else to fill the hole it leaves when it's removed.

Also, remember that the Community authors are apparently so uninformed that we can't even expect them to give consistent correct information...

**kirotheavenger**

We also need to remember this is the social media team, who often seems to have barely more information than we do at any given time.
They're experts at speaking whilst saying little to nothing at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Custodes stuff gets 'proper' rules still, but I think setting your minimum expectations on Legends and optimistic expectations on proper rules is the best course of action.

**Dudeface**

kirotheavenger wrote:
We also need to remember this is the social media team, who often seems to have barely more information than we do at any given time.
They're experts at speaking whilst saying little to nothing at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Custodes stuff gets 'proper' rules still, but I think setting your minimum expectations on Legends and optimistic expectations on proper rules is the best course of action.

I just hope they don't leave them in the "you're kinda in an extra pdf that we can arbitrarily yoink on a whim" zone

**Platuan4th**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Curious: Are the people that don’t enforce the 10VP for painting (which is a rule) the same people that forbid the use of Legends (which is not a rule)?
Because that would be hilarious.

In my experience? No. The people that tend not to enforce the rule don't enforce it because it's a stupid fething rule.

**ccs**

Jidmah wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Ever since GW gave everyone a free pass to bully people who take a long time to get their army done

How exactly did GW give this free pass?

Like, I agree with you that it's absolutely wrong to bully the slow-paint/ no-paint crowd. I'm just not sure what it is that you think GW did to encourage it. And I'm not saying that to call you out or be confrontational- I'm genuinely curious.

For context: I usually play in a group of players which are mostly friends, but has overlap with a larger local club which organizes events which aren't quite GT sized, but usually have 30+ players. In addition I irregularly play at three nearby stores (usually narrative events), one FLGS, two GW stores, as do multiple people from both gaming groups.

In the group of friends there is one guy who will complain all game that he should be getting the 10VP and berates people who have unpainted models that they should be giving up the 10VP to they opponent to make up for their shame (sounds weird, but what he tells people literally translates this way).
When playing at stores you regularly have people walk over to your game and point out unpainted models unprompted.
The bigger club is even worse. One of their founder is one of those typical small town TOs who used to ban landraiders because they were unfair when he still had a shop. Members call out people with unpainted models even if they aren't part of the game or when they are visiting us to play one of our members. They walk over to other people's games and point out all the model which aren't properly painted or based. When you play at their playing space, during open (non-event) days, it might happened four to five times over the course of a game. Once I had one of their judges getting involved unprompted who insisted to add 10 VP to my opponent's score because I had a single grey runtherd - because I couldn't find any of the painted ones in the morning.
In some cases you even have to fight people over whether your idea of an aesthetically pleasing base is considered "battle ready" or not.

You would literally get more acceptance for walking into an MtG event with a YuGiOh deck than for bringing a half-painted army to a game.

Whenever you try to fight back or call out any of those people, they justify their behavior with the 10VP rule and the three columns of the hobby. It absolutely ruins the hobby for people who try to get their stuff painted, but can't for good reasons.
If I ever get around to starting a third army, it will not see a single can of primer. For someone who takes a week to paint a unit of six like me, even the smallest effort is just a waste of time and money.

Lol. I'd love to mess with these people.

Jidmah wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
@ccs I appreciate what you are trying to do, but when I look at that helbrute which took ages to fully magnetize (yes, it can swap to every option on the datasheet), it just makes me sad that it doesn't look as good as my daemon prince or PBC next to it.

Yet. It doesn't look that good yet.
It's just a WiP.

Jidmah wrote:
But I can't change that. Next time I get to paint, I need to have three colors of paint on my breaka boyz, because otherwise people feel entitled to interrupt my game to be a dick.

Yes you can. You just paint a little bit of it here & there as the mood/opportunity presents. Maybe it'll take a month, maybe it'll take years.... As long as it ends up looking how you want, does it matter how long it takes?

As for those boyz?
How long does it take you to line up the unit, spray them black, let dry for a bit, spray white, and then add a 3rd color (say boltgun metal on the weapons)?

**BrookM**

We're getting off-topic here, take the painting discussion to a dedicated thread of its own please.

**ccs**

kirotheavenger wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
GW has confirmed in social media comments that the Custodes dreads, grav tanks, etc will continue to be supported through 11th edition

With marketing I generally think it's best to interpret what is said in the worst possible light, as if they could have said something more positive they would have done so.
"supported through 11th edition" could just as well Legends. Which, for a lot of people, might as well be a non-factor.
Although the post I saw GW said they would be "supported in 11th edition" which is notably different to "through", it could just refer to the current rules at the start of the edition, but perhaps they've made a post since.

Let's not forget when GW made a big show of how Horus Heresy vehicles were playable in 40k, only to yank that rug out six months later.

Still playable.
You'll find their rules in the Legends section.

**Asmodai**

GW is doing a YouTube Q&A right now.

Highlights so far - Legends units getting added to the app, the pre-painted terrain will be available unpainted, Combi-Weapons may get ungenericized as Codexes come out, Deathwatch, Grey Knights and Daemons will continue to get support.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Nice to head the terrain will be available unpainted as well.

Whilst I think I would go for the pre-painted? As I said earlier in the thread, customer choice still matters.

**Asmodai**

Confirmed now that Crusade isn't supported in 11th. Just one-off narrative things like Maelstrom and Crucible of Champions.

**Nevelon**

Actually quite an informative watch. Hopefully we can get a transcription.

**SgtEeveell**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nice to head the terrain will be available unpainted as well.

Whilst I think I would go for the pre-painted? As I said earlier in the thread, customer choice still matters.

Are they going to support two SKUs for basically the same kit? The Warhammer stores keep shrinking, shelf space is pretty tight. I'd expect one or both options to be online only.

**Nevelon**

SgtEeveell wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nice to head the terrain will be available unpainted as well.

Whilst I think I would go for the pre-painted? As I said earlier in the thread, customer choice still matters.

Are they going to support two SKUs for basically the same kit? The Warhammer stores keep shrinking, shelf space is pretty tight. I'd expect one or both options to be online only.

I’d guess the painted on will be on the shelf. It lets you get playing quickly. The unpainted one I’d guess would be online. I highly doubt they’d give the shelf space to both. I am glad we will get the option, even if the details make for a hoop or two to jump through,

**Crimson**

Asmodai wrote:
GW is doing a YouTube Q&A right now.

Highlights so far - Legends units getting added to the app, the pre-painted terrain will be available unpainted, Combi-Weapons may get ungenericized as Codexes come out, Deathwatch, Grey Knights and Daemons will continue to get support.

All good news.

You can thank me for combi-weapon change: I recently converted my combi-weapon lieutenant to have a different combi-weapon as it didn't matter, so of course they'll now change ti back to needing to be a specific one!

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

SgtEeveell wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nice to head the terrain will be available unpainted as well.

Whilst I think I would go for the pre-painted? As I said earlier in the thread, customer choice still matters.

Are they going to support two SKUs for basically the same kit? The Warhammer stores keep shrinking, shelf space is pretty tight. I'd expect one or both options to be online only.

All about the virtual warehouse. Yes, your average store can only carry a fraction of the entire range. To do otherwise seems financially inadvisable for shop leasing.

But every store has its order terminal, through which a customer can order absolutely anything currently* in stock. You can have it shipped to the store for free, or shipped to your home with postal costs depending on overall order value.

*the curse of continual growth and finite production facilities

**tauist**

Thanks for the intel! I'm happy the terrain is coming also as unpainted. I dont want some gak on my sprues messing up my finishes. Those prepainted textures look rough to me old eye, good riddance. If it coulda been easily stripped, I might have been OK just getting the prepainted ones.

Also, Legends added to the app, huzzah! Now I can actually start using it properly. It is a big psychological/political shift as well, GW giving their approval for Legends in more games, maybe the grognards will be easier to persuade allowing them as well now (Haven't had that problem but I dont play pickup games)

**beast_gts**

From Reddit:

You're just announced Ready Painted Terrain, will unpainted terrain be sold?
A: Yes, both painted and unpainted of those designs will be sold.

Are there any plans to sell Ready Painted Miniatures?
A: No.

Who will be the next returning Loyalist Primarch:
A: Pretty sure they're all dead, Russ is back as a tank, Dorn is back as a tank, could expect another Tank with a Primarch name.

Will legends be supported?
A: Legends will be supported as it is now, you will see Legends units added to Warhammer App as codexes release.

Will legends be in the App?
A: Not at launch, but eventually.

Are there any changes to Battleshock to make it more impactful?
A: Yes, Battleshock at half-strength rather than below half-strength, other big thing is no automatic battleshock recovery, you have to retest. Can't use battleshock recovery strategems if you are already battleshocked.

Were the Dark Angels ever on Armageddon?
A: Operation Imperator doesn't specify that Dark Angels are on Armageddon, though a number of unspecified Chapters are on Armageddon, Dark Angels could be there. Dark Angels were near Armageddon during the 3rd War.

Will we see Multipart Versions of any of the units that come in the Armageddon box as part of future releases?
A: Yes, there will be multipart versions of several of the units in the Armageddon set, the multipart versions will bring new options.

Is Deathwatch still an Army?
A: Yes, still works as it does today. Either added via Imperial Agents or use Space Marines. No new detachments at edition launch.

Do shooting armies suck now?
A: Lots of new rules are favorable to Melee Armies, shooting armies work absolutely fine and a few things help them. Objectives being terrain requires you to be on the terrain and should thus be available to shoot at. A lot of mission for combat armies encourage you to run over open ground, allowing Shooting Armies to potentially set up shooting lanes. There will be points changes.

Are Grey Knights still an army?
A: Yes, they will get new detachments.

What's going on with Daemons?
A: Continue to be an army, index is still legal and new detachments will allow them to do stuff. Will feature in god specific chaos legions.

Some of the new Ork units have combi-weapons where he stats change, is that a thing we can expect more of?
A: Yes, broadly. Some of the new Ork units have combi-rockits, and combi-scorchers, and in the new statlines they now distinguish between what kind of thing is attached to the shoota. Old units will not have there stats changed, as codexes release they will likely be tailored. Kombi-Rockit has Anti-Vehicle buffs.

What happened to Runtherds?
A: Still exist, 0-1 in gretchin units.

When will we see a battle report for the new edition on Warhammer Plus?
A: There will be one using the new rules, and it will come out in May.

Is Armageddon the same planet as Ullanor?
A: Heavily implied.

Will we see points of units change in the new edition.
A: Yes, absolutely. Themes in terms of directions of points: Units that are fast combat infantry are very good, artillery is relatively less effective. Few things such as that. Broadly speaking army will be same size.

Will the Orks rename Armageddon Waaghmageddon if they win?
A: Solid shout, definitely have a fun name for it. If they win it stays a warzone, Orks may not want to kill everyone cause then they won't have more fights.

How does Ignores Cover work on all those Flamer Weapons?
A: Most Flamer weapons have Ignores Cover and Torrent, Torrent is more relatively useful, Ignores Cover+Torrent will not do anything special, you'll see new stats when codexes come out.

How do Stealth and Cover stack?
A: Stealth is -1 to hit, default bonus for cover is -1 to hit, they do not stack.

Will Ork units still get power claws?
A: Yes, but not in the Armageddon box. All models are pushfit and options have been shown.

Can I mix Heavy Bolter Eradicators and Melta Eradicators in one unit?
A: No.

Will Tyranids still get to use Subterranean Assault?
A: Yes.

Will any changes be made to falling back out of combat/desperate escape?
A: A little bit, main change is that hazard rolls change, when you fall back in some instances you have to make hazard rolls, hazard rolls now fail on a 1 or 2, if you fail them you take a mortal wound for each failure rather than losing a whole model.

How many Space Marine Lieutenants in 11th Edition?
A: Depends on how many protestors.

Is Boarding Actions still a thing?
A: Yes, as well as Apocalypse and all Expansion Book rules.

Do all units on objectives get benefit of cover.
A: Generally it does for units that gain benefit of cover, vehicles may get it, but not innately.

Do we know if any other factions that are not the main ones be there?
A: Sorritas, Astartes, and Guard are all present, as well as Adeptus Mechanicus, and Votann Mercenaries in the Northern Reaches, some Chaos forces as well.

Can you use +1 from heavy on the turn you disembark from a transport.
A: No, can't get it on the turn you deploy.

Will swarms like Canopteks Scarabs finally be able to walk through walls?
A: Yes, Swarms will be able to.

Will Ork Boyz be able to equip one model with a Rockit Launcha or Big SHoota?
A: Yes, they'll be plenty of options in the future to do so, though none in Armageddon.

Which Chapters are present on Armageddon:
A: Ultramarines, Salamanders, Black Dragons, Celestial Lions, Sons of Orar, Marines Malevolent, Necropolis Hawks, White Scars, Red Talons, Emperor's Spears, Subjugators, Black Templars, Crimson Fists, Storm Lords, Angels Eradicant, Masters of Protelus, Spacewolves, Sons of Guilliman, Novamarines, Iron Hands, Penumbral Talons, Dark Krakens, Angels of Fury, Storm Giants, plus some that are not specified. Covered in Operation Imperator book including heraldry and what they are doing on Armageddon and this not all of the Chapters present.

Will there be a FAQ update at launch to update datasheets?
A: Yes, but most units will be unchanged with minor changes due to core rules changes.

How did the Blood Angels get to Armageddon despite being on the other side of the great rift.
A: Only some did, most Blood Angels are still closer to Baal and are the other side of the Great Rift. Only a minor detachment made it.

Will the Lion and Guillimen finally meet this edition?
A: No answer.

Will the rulebook and Mission Chapter Approved deck be available separately?
A: Everything will be available eventually, except for Operation Imperator and the box itself.

Is lance a +1 or reroll to wound?
A: Still +1, just a typo.

Will "Uppy-Downy" become a official rules term?
A: Not set to become a official rules term, "Assendius-Decendius" for high gothic maybe.

Will getting into combat from a destroyed transport count as a charge move.
A: It doesn't, no charge bonuses, there are acutally ways to enter combat, Charging/being charged, Combat Disembark, and Surge Moves. Surge Moves rationalized into universal rule. Combat Disembark is worst way to enter combat.

Are any armies being "Squatted" in this edition?
A: No armies being Squatted.

How many strategems will each army have in a 2000 pts game?
A: Will wiggle a little bit, sometimes you'll have more or less. Mostly 6-9 Strategems in a 2000 pts game.

Are games faster or slower?
A: About the same, changes in how time is spent, time spent comparing and creating your army, specifically for tournaments you need to choose battlefield after comparing lists, game tends to be faster with Fast Rolling assumed. Other speed increase is decision timing changes, overwatch being at the end is example, don't have to worry about movement order.

How do Leagues of Votann army rules work if no objective markers?
A: Rules work, before the game the map will tell you which pieces of terrain count as buildings, ENTIRE BUILDING counts as objective.

What happens to Imperial Agents?
A: Work exactly the same, no new detachments at launch, keep Codex. Still usable as army.

How does healing work?
A: You bring back whole models if you heal enough wounds. Warboss brought back boys used as example.

Are the core rules for 11th free?
A: Yes.

Dark Angels, what color are Vanguard Veterans?
A: It depends, VV are first company which would imply Deathwing bone, Eavy Metal Sternguard are painting Dark Green. very unclear.

The new Custodes Models that came out in Horus Heresy, will they be the new Custodes for 40k?
A: Yes, all new models will work for 40k.

Will all the units in Armageddon be released separately?
A: Yes, everything except box and Operation Imperator.

Which are the first Codexes?
A: Orks and Space Marines.

What's the third codex?
A: The one after the second codex.

How many points for each side of Armageddon?
A: 750, roughly a combat patrol and then some.

Will combat patrol rules be in Armageddon and do you need the combat patrol companion to play it?
A: No, Combat Patrol rules will be free online and in the app. the Companion will have lore though.

What's the deal with Crusade in the new edition?
A: 10th Codex crusade rules will still work, Narrative Rules will no longer be in Codexes, instead will be Narrative Campaign Books, example given is Maelstrom and Crucible of Champions.

Indirect Fire and Hidden, how does it work?
A: When you choose a target, you can choose a hidden unit you can't, if you choose something you can't see, you hit on 6s only unless something in your army else can see the target.

How do Aircraft work?
A: All the Planes and Aircraft start in reserve, enter game via ingress move, put them anywhere around the edge for "Strafing Run" or "Bombing Run", removed at end of opponent's turn.

Will we see a return to granular points?
A: Yes, a bit, not to the extent of points for bolt pistols. Big pieces of wargear will have costs, example is Riptide's weapons options will have different costs. Battleline boys probably won't.

Is the Armageddon box set temporary?
A: Yes.

How many Marneus Calgar Miniatures can we expect in 11th?
A: Enough.

Can Imperial Knights still use Heresy Knights?
A: Yes.

Will there be Allies in 11th Edition?
A: Yes, to the current extent. No return to Soup or Taudar. Detachments effects ENTIRE ARMY that has correct keywords, detachments stack.

Are there bonuses for not using all 3 detachment points?
A: No. Bigger games may have more points.

What happens to Drop Pods after they land on a planet?
A: Techmarines and Chapter serfs reclaim and recover everything they can, including Drop Pods. Mostly get reclaimed.

Changes to Psychic Powers?
A: There are changes, main thing is that Psychic Attacks ignore modifiers to hit and wound. Psychic does extra stuff "Particularly in shooting phase"

Strike Force or Incursion for 1500 points?
A: Use 1000 points, do lower size until you tick into the next size.

Do Adam and Eddie have any favorite personal detachment combos.
A: Adam: Enjoy Ravenwing with Landspeeders and Bikes, enjoys Lion's Blade. Eddie: Playing a lot of Space Wolves and most of their Codex detachments are 2 points, enjoys Veterans of the Fang and Njal Stormcaller. Also looking at Genestealer Cult ones, video for Genestealers coming "Quite soon" thinking of talking all 3 one point detachments..

How much will Armageddon Boxset cost?
A: A little bit more than Leviathan and little bit less than Saturine.

Sorry if everything's a bit low quality, took most of these during the livestream.

**tauist**

Multipart kits for most Armageddon contents? That does it, skipping the box (altho might still get the Ork characters separately)