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Cronch wrote:

You...you realize I am talking about the CORE RULES errata, not the battletome erratas,right? You seem confused...


I don't think getting errata in this case is weird. 3.0 rules have been out for awhile even if it hasn't officially started.
People try it out, people ask questions resulting erratas being made. Rules themselves got very few things errated.

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ok, i guess it's fine to have Best Ever rules errata'd right away. I suppose they never said the rules are good, only they're the best they've written to date
   
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There's always going to be some errata needed. Honestly we should be happy we get them so fast. I recall the times when FAQ and Erratas once went out the week before the edition ended and the next edition was starting!

You waited the whole edition and got the stuff on basically the last day.

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As I suspected, bound endless spells are not gone, they don't cost extra points anymore, they are directly bound to the caster.




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 mokoshkana wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Guess common sense is too much to ask these days...
Some people just want to watch the world burn...


Common sense is always changing. Pretty much a lie.

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Cronch wrote:
ok, i guess it's fine to have Best Ever rules errata'd right away. I suppose they never said the rules are good, only they're the best they've written to date

Did you actually, you know, read the FAQ? 1/4 of it is clarification how old commands work now, something that would be needed no matter what new edition changed, 1/3 is minor clarifications, and the rest is slapping full on WAAAC inane nonsense (I especially like 'can I move unit twice', 'if I can add +1 to roll can I add +3 if it affects 3 units', 'can I hide and tailor my army list on the fly' and 'can I declare opponent can't use his unit abilities' rules bending gak that really shouldn't be subject to FAQ if sane people asked these questions but alas, half of GW rules team job these days is telling WAAAC clowns NO IT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY IN WHAT BIZARRE UNIVERSE THIS QUESTION MAKES ANY SENSE?? ).

Really, the only changes to which your criticism might apply is the last section, namely errata changing all of 2 sentences. Oh no, it's unusable now
   
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tneva82 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
I will admit, I love how the FAQs have made the Engine of the Gods ridiculously vague.

Specifically mention a Skink Priest.
Specifically state the crew function like a Mount and the Stegadon is a Mount.
Don't give us any statlines for attacks from the priest, any command abilities or other abilities.

Considering it has like, nothing, why would it care about being a Mount or not as its only attacks are mount attacks?

Wouldn't be surprised to see a patch FAQ that clarifies to 'use the skink priest warscroll in addition to the Engine Warscroll for the priests attacks, command abilities etc and add the keywords...'


Umm...how about abilities that affect specifically mount but not rider?

You prefer those don't affect engine of god's stegadon but affect skink chieftain's stegadon's because...reasons?


You realise the rider literally has no abilities? No attack profile, no abilities as it stands currently. So it's very much a case of what's the actual point?

Congrats, you've added a caveat that is utterly pointless.


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The point is if the Stegadon/Crew wasn't treated as a mount, the Engine of the Gods could take the Nimble Command Trait and gain +1" to Move or get Sacred Stegadon Helm for +1 Damage to all attacks when they charge, and I guess GW doesn't want Engine of the Gods to be able to do that.
   
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Cronch wrote:
Best Edition ever gets an FAQ before it officially hits the stores, says it all.


This happens with a LOT of products. A good number of roleplaying games have FAQ drops within the first week of release or shortly after. Lots of video games these days have first day patches as well. I get that everybody looooooves to criticize every little thing that GW does, but let's be realistic and recognize that this is a normal occurrence in multiple forms of media.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Best Edition ever gets an FAQ before it officially hits the stores, says it all.


This happens with a LOT of products. A good number of roleplaying games have FAQ drops within the first week of release or shortly after. Lots of video games these days have first day patches as well. I get that everybody looooooves to criticize every little thing that GW does, but let's be realistic and recognize that this is a normal occurrence in multiple forms of media.


It is only a normal occurence because the acceptable standards of quality became lower, due to the fact most game review sites are shills, and rushing out an incomplete product then trying to fix and complete it post-relase has sadly became commonplace.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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Hmmm.

Guess I’m likely getting my copy Monday or Tuesday, as no shipping confirmation so far.

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Peek'd at the kiwi store; they got a promo from today to next 4th of august: buy $170 NZ online, get $17 NZ voucher.

What's even this? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

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 CMLR wrote:
Peek'd at the kiwi store; they got a promo from today to next 4th of august: buy $170 NZ online, get $17 NZ voucher.

What's even this? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

They did it during (UK) lockdown as well. I don't remember if it was for every country.
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Best Edition ever gets an FAQ before it officially hits the stores, says it all.


This happens with a LOT of products. A good number of roleplaying games have FAQ drops within the first week of release or shortly after. Lots of video games these days have first day patches as well. I get that everybody looooooves to criticize every little thing that GW does, but let's be realistic and recognize that this is a normal occurrence in multiple forms of media.


It is only a normal occurence because the acceptable standards of quality became lower, due to the fact most game review sites are shills, and rushing out an incomplete product then trying to fix and complete it post-relase has sadly became commonplace.


In some cases yes, but there is also a difference between release date and the point at which a game was required to be handed over to print into books or discs and then shipped out for distribution. Any work done between those two points in time is going to result in a day one errata/patch.
   
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Dropping the vortex is a pretty dumb move.

I know the "no model, no rule" crap is at work here but still,
owning the model and not being able to use it in V3 and on
is still an annoying issue.

One warscroll could have done it.
   
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mortar_crew wrote:
Dropping the vortex is a pretty dumb move.

I know the "no model, no rule" crap is at work here but still,
owning the model and not being able to use it in V3 and on
is still an annoying issue.

One warscroll could have done it.


But people could've bought some third party models to represent it!
It would be stealing IP and profiting off GW's hard hard hard work!
Robbing GW of a total 000000000.1% of their monthly income!
OH THE HUMANITY

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The Vortex was just so meta warping, they have done good by removing it.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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I am impressed. This is the highest-quality set of new edition FAQs I can remember from GW. A handful of errors and head-scratchers, but for the most part is it straightforward and intuitive changes. Again I really like the standardization of language and terminology across the game, it just makes the game so much easier to understand and rules questions easier to figure out. Updates to the endless spells/invocations are great overall, and I liked almost all of the warscroll updates I saw. Very happy with this.

 Galas wrote:
The Vortex was just so meta warping, they have done good by removing it.
Yeah, there was really no way to make that concept work in a practical sense. They gave it several good tries at least.

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Don't other factions (Stormcast and Lumineth, I think?) have spells that are basically Balewind Vortexes? Summon a spell and ride it around?
   
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 DaveC wrote:
Newly Dead can allow Zombies to exceed starting size
They are just clarifying that it was not an error the zombies' rule doesn't include a note about going over the starting size. They still cannot, because the core rules say no unit can go above its starting size unless it has an ability which states otherwise. The zombies' ability does not state they can go above starting size, therefore they can't. Writing such a clarification into the rule would only have been used for the brief period between SGL and 3rd, after which it would just have been redundant and confusing. When they say 'written with the new edition in mind' that is the sort of thing they are referring to.


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Rihgu wrote:
Don't other factions (Stormcast and Lumineth, I think?) have spells that are basically Balewind Vortexes? Summon a spell and ride it around?
SCE have a disc they can ride around but it functions much differently than the vortex did. The Lumineth one is more or less unusable with its new rules because the amount of space required to put it down (the whole thing must be 3" from terrain & other models) is not common or accessible enough to justify taking it in the first place.

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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
I will admit, I love how the FAQs have made the Engine of the Gods ridiculously vague.

Specifically mention a Skink Priest.
Specifically state the crew function like a Mount and the Stegadon is a Mount.
Don't give us any statlines for attacks from the priest, any command abilities or other abilities.

Considering it has like, nothing, why would it care about being a Mount or not as its only attacks are mount attacks?

Wouldn't be surprised to see a patch FAQ that clarifies to 'use the skink priest warscroll in addition to the Engine Warscroll for the priests attacks, command abilities etc and add the keywords...'


Umm...how about abilities that affect specifically mount but not rider?

You prefer those don't affect engine of god's stegadon but affect skink chieftain's stegadon's because...reasons?


You realise the rider literally has no abilities? No attack profile, no abilities as it stands currently. So it's very much a case of what's the actual point?

Congrats, you've added a caveat that is utterly pointless.


If it didn't have specfication that what is mount attacks then all abilities that affect mount attacks(but not rider or unit without mount) wouldn't affect.

So stegadon carrying engine of god wouldn't benefit, stegadon carrying skink chieftain would.

You thikh that's better?

And note there is at least 1 such ability.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Best Edition ever gets an FAQ before it officially hits the stores, says it all.


This happens with a LOT of products. A good number of roleplaying games have FAQ drops within the first week of release or shortly after. Lots of video games these days have first day patches as well. I get that everybody looooooves to criticize every little thing that GW does, but let's be realistic and recognize that this is a normal occurrence in multiple forms of media.


It is only a normal occurence because the acceptable standards of quality became lower, due to the fact most game review sites are shills, and rushing out an incomplete product then trying to fix and complete it post-relase has sadly became commonplace.


That's bit different to here though. To avoid these faq's gw would have needed to write battletomes years ago with 3rd ed in mind. At that point 3rd ed wasn't even written yet.

And then you would need errata to work in 2nd ed.

Or you can do zero changes to 3rd ed core rules.

Or ban all 2nd ed battletomes. Only 3e battletomes can be played. That would go well with players. Imagine lumineth, dok, slaanesh, sob and especially soulblight players who gets told their books got already banned.

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What was so meta warping about the Vortex that doesn’t apply to the Chromatic Cogs?

 
   
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Meh. Ordered on first release day from GW. Still listed as 'Pending'.
So much for big companies sending things out so they arrive on release day.

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My order is also showing as pending, yet I have it in hand.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
My order is also showing as pending, yet I have it in hand.


Ah... you gave me hope.

My first foray into AoS and I kinda got myself excited about this box set. I'm hoping it gets here, otherwise it's a wait till next weekend - as we'd be out when the postie comes and it'll go back to the depot to be fetched. :-(

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Fingers crossed. I’m doubly lucky that the Postie arrived way earlier than normal. And my God Daughter’s birthday pressie arrived too.

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This might not be the best place to ask, but what would the best paints for highlighting the new ones? Thondia brown and Orruk flesh. Thanks!
   
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Just been to my local GW to get some paints in.

Walked away with a dice cup, pin badge and key ring, which I wasn’t expecting. That’s a clean sweep of launch goodies for me.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just been to my local GW to get some paints in.

Walked away with a dice cup, pin badge and key ring, which I wasn’t expecting. That’s a clean sweep of launch goodies for me.


Well... my postie came with a lovely large Dominion box from GW (including some metal coin things)
Very well packaged and rulebook without a ding to the corners (my bugbear).

I must admit, the War at Amberstone Watch booklet wasn't what I expected. I was thinking it would be a few mini battles and scenarios to get people used to the rules using the minis in the box. Looks like I have a much larger book to go through before playing. Also, I'm really struggling to find points values for other types of models anywhere. I guess their Battletomes will be out of date with AoS3 and all the downloadable Warscrolls I find on GW's page don't have points at all, neither do the Warscrolls in the 99p App I started paying for. Lots to learn I guess.

Have GW given an idea when a new Battletome will be out for Kruleboyz or the new Stormcast?

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