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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Definitely a much better trailer than the last one, but I'm still not convinced just yet, the Inception-style approach to magic I find slightly offputting, almost seems like a cop-out on going fully magical, trying to sci-fi it up a bit.
Still, it does look well-done, so I'll probably still watch it on release.
.. Between his Batman films and Inception Nolan has been a massive influence on cape films eh ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Now I'm even more excited for this one than I was before.
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Brilliant.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
The UK release for Marvel's Doctor Strange moves forward. See it in UK cinemas from Tuesday 25th October!
.. which is nice !
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Hnng. Yeah, yeah, it's just a story, but I really hope they don't harp on with the "fortune cookie wisdom" justification for magic not making sense - all I can hear when the woman is doing that bit are homeopathy advocates, psychic frauds, and anti-vaxxers.
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Alpharius wrote: Ultimately, it IS just a story, and as long as it is told well, and is entertaining, I'm sure it will be OK, and make for a good movie.
Because actually trying to really explain...magic?
Not a movie many would want to see, I think!
You wouldn't want to see a movie where someone describes the relationship between a fictional fifth nuclear force and the other four using copious differential equations? Even if it includes an early Chekhov's gun explaining how you can magically turn an integral S with a circle on it into a double integral? Spoiler alert, but the climax will feature an upside-down triangle and a letter with an arrow over it.
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Alpharius wrote: Ultimately, it IS just a story, and as long as it is told well, and is entertaining, I'm sure it will be OK, and make for a good movie.
Because actually trying to really explain...magic?
Alpharius wrote: Ultimately, it IS just a story, and as long as it is told well, and is entertaining, I'm sure it will be OK, and make for a good movie.
Because actually trying to really explain...magic?
Not a movie many would want to see, I think!
You wouldn't want to see a movie where someone describes the relationship between a fictional fifth nuclear force and the other four using copious differential equations? Even if it includes an early Chekhov's gun explaining how you can magically turn an integral S with a circle on it into a double integral? Spoiler alert, but the climax will feature an upside-down triangle and a letter with an arrow over it.
I see that somebody knows their vector calculus, especially Stokes' Theorem
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Alpharius wrote: Ultimately, it IS just a story, and as long as it is told well, and is entertaining, I'm sure it will be OK, and make for a good movie.
Because actually trying to really explain...magic?
Not a movie many would want to see, I think!
My point, self-evidently, is that I don't think endlessly recycling the "Confuicus he say, expand your mind silly science-man" trope is good storytelling. It's almost always a lazy way of avoiding having to lay down the rules by which your fictional reality operates, getting your excuses in early for when you later get stuck in a narrative corner and need a huge, implausible deus ex machina to save you from your own poor writing. Plus, nothing is "just" a story, narratives can and do reinforce each other, even fictional ones, and the narrative that science and scientists are closed-minded and only through completely belief-based pat mysticism can we achieve true wisdom/health/joy is not one that needs reinforcing even in small ways. It's also, IMO, a boring narrative simply by virtue of its ubiquity - a story taking a less homeopathic approach to magic would be welcome at this point purely for the novelty of it.
As for your latter point, it's rather contradicted by your first and, well, reality - one of the most compelling films that came out recently amounts, for a large part of its runtime, to "man stranded on Mars figures out how to grow potatoes with his own gak". You'd seriously argue that a film that treated magic less as fortune-cookie mysticism and more as an accepted part of reality and subject of academic study & experimentation, as a basis for well-understood technology, would be that difficult to write as a good story? Or even just a fictional setting where magic remained unexplained without the writers feeling the need to denigrate science as a shorthand for how totes mystical and mysterious and fey their version of magic is?
As for Bob's reply, learning new things is always fun - trolling is apparently cool beans around here as long as you couch your vacuous sarcasm in technical terminology. I'll be sure to remember and throw lots of physics terminology into any future posts where I fancy being an arse to someone who's taste in fiction differs from mine.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
Marvel has a plan. They're not just going to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks when it comes to this film. They are very aware - hyper-aware - that they are entering the 'third' main area of Marvel after the technological and the cosmic.
They avoided making Thor magic, and made it super-duper technology instead. This time around it really will be magic, and that's an interesting place to go.
'Using the Marvel TSR rpg as a base, there is actually a very sophisticated method in which magic, reality, and the sci-fi interact. There is layers of realms, dimensions, and cosmic existence that are all interwoven. Granted it was probably all made up post-facto."
I think it was mostly found in the old Judge's handbook for Advanced Marvel Super-Heroes or the realms of magic books. I am too lazy to look it up."
Alpharius wrote: Ultimately, it IS just a story, and as long as it is told well, and is entertaining, I'm sure it will be OK, and make for a good movie.
Because actually trying to really explain...magic?
Not a movie many would want to see, I think!
My point, self-evidently, is that I don't think endlessly recycling the "Confuicus he say, expand your mind silly science-man" trope is good storytelling. It's almost always a lazy way of avoiding having to lay down the rules by which your fictional reality operates, getting your excuses in early for when you later get stuck in a narrative corner and need a huge, implausible deus ex machina to save you from your own poor writing. Plus, nothing is "just" a story, narratives can and do reinforce each other, even fictional ones, and the narrative that science and scientists are closed-minded and only through completely belief-based pat mysticism can we achieve true wisdom/health/joy is not one that needs reinforcing even in small ways. It's also, IMO, a boring narrative simply by virtue of its ubiquity - a story taking a less homeopathic approach to magic would be welcome at this point purely for the novelty of it.
As for your latter point, it's rather contradicted by your first and, well, reality - one of the most compelling films that came out recently amounts, for a large part of its runtime, to "man stranded on Mars figures out how to grow potatoes with his own gak". You'd seriously argue that a film that treated magic less as fortune-cookie mysticism and more as an accepted part of reality and subject of academic study & experimentation, as a basis for well-understood technology, would be that difficult to write as a good story? Or even just a fictional setting where magic remained unexplained without the writers feeling the need to denigrate science as a shorthand for how totes mystical and mysterious and fey their version of magic is?
And at that point, it's not magic. If you can analyse and predictably explain something, it stops being supernatural by definition, and becomes natural. Do you want midichlorians? Because that's how you get midichlorians.
That said, maybe you should check out Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn series. I've heard that has a very industrial / scientific approach to magic, so it is out there if you take the time to look.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
I'm imagining that "magic" will be the interaction of alternate/higher dimensions, and the tesselated cgi is only visible in-universe to the ones who can harness magic, being what their brains see as they try to comprehend the dimensional interactions. Normal people might only (for the most part) see wierdos in costumes flipping and rolling around an otherwise normal world, until the inevitable explosions happen.
Kind of a Cthulhu-esque "seeing what man is not meant to see". Or maybe like the end of Interstellar.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Alpharius wrote: I think we got your point, and I think the filmmakers won't just go "CUZ MAGIK!" everywhere, all the time.
I hope that there will be some 'internal logic' and 'rules' to it too.
And I hope it will have a decent sense of humor - that seems to be lacking in a lot of areas these days.
I don't know much about Dr Strange but its Marvel so unlikely to be without Humour - Humourless nonsense - now that's a Nolan film.
Maths and magic often combines - esp in Cthulhu stuff and I do agree that fortune cookie stuff is bad
I want to see gak blow up and hot chicks and magic people fighting!
Hell yeah.
Deadpool makes a cameo and drops some F-Bombs
I hope and pray that he is safely kept away from all MCU films.
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