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From Beasts of War

http://www.beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/big-news-from-fantasy-flight-games/

scales from skirmish to large battle

core set 2 factions

figures, movement trays(jigsaw style so you can lock several together), templates like xwing

early 2017

Two words:

Proprietary Dice

A mass wargame with its own special dice. Yeah... no thanks.

Some of those undead figures look nice, they might join my undead legion at some point. I have no real interest in the game though.

Whats with the weird jigsaw bases?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Two words:

Proprietary Dice

A mass wargame with its own special dice. Yeah... no thanks.

Exactly my thoughts.

Also the 5 tonnes of tokens it will inevitably come with.

Tamereth wrote:Some of those undead figures look nice, they might join my undead legion at some point. I have no real interest in the game though.

Whats with the weird jigsaw bases?

So you can clip the unit bases together to build larger units.

This looks cool. Movement systems sort of reminds me of Arcane Legions.

Those are very nice for prepainted plastics. I'm certainly paying attention to this.

Might be curious to see what the fallout from this will be a'la GW and FFG licensing their IP, now they will be in more direct competition.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Those are very nice for prepainted plastics. I'm certainly paying attention to this.

Might be curious to see what the fallout from this will be a'la GW and FFG licensing their IP, now they will be in more direct competition.

Their facebook page says they're hand painted, not prepainted. Unless I read that wrong.

I saw nothing to indicate pre-paints.

Did I miss something?

The miniatures look... okay? ish? Dunno, there's something about them that makes me think "cheap" instead of "cool".

Don't get me wrong, cheap is generally nice, but it rarely makes me buy stuff.

Did anyone sit through the video? Did they say what scale is this? They seem kind of small?

I'm still bitter over them changing the scale on Battlelore.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Those are very nice for prepainted plastics. I'm certainly paying attention to this.

Might be curious to see what the fallout from this will be a'la GW and FFG licensing their IP, now they will be in more direct competition.

They're not pre-paints, you have to assemble and paint them yourself.

And I'd suspect it will be the end of the relationship - has there been any hint of upcoming 40K RPG content? If not it's probably safe to assume they won't get/aren't bothered to try to get a renewal of the license.

You guys know they're still making tons of 40K products, right?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You guys know they're still making tons of 40K products, right?

Are they? Eh, I buy them for the fluff when I notice one I like, and the guy I know who actually plays/runs the RPGs only talks about FFG these days to complain about the lack of new stuff, maybe he's just moaning for the sake of it.

I'm not talking about RPGs. They make a bunch of other 40K products.

Eh, pretty unimpressive minis... price and rules will make or break my interest.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I saw nothing to indicate pre-paints.

Did I miss something?

I was at the FFG in flight report where these were announced.

No prepaint. Easy assembly, paint it yourself. Rank and file game using "X-wing" style movement thingies for the trays.

Each unit has their own wheel for their list of possible actions and that is as far into game play as they discussed. Models were better than Kings of war, but not as good as some Age of Sigmar. Perhaps on par with some of the basic troop units.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not talking about RPGs. They make a bunch of other 40K products.

From what I've been hearing, that's drying up quick. There was an expansion on the way for Forbidden Stars that was cancelled (and the designer sacked). There's been no announcement of the next deluxe box (or cycle) for Conquest, and they've been pushing out the current cycle every two or three weeks instead of monthly. Warhammer Quest card game had two small print-on-demand releases that many people think were meant to be a part of a larger expansion that won't materialize. GW released its own mobile version of Relic that was separate from the FFG version. Lot of people in the various boardgame communities seem resigned to the idea that FFG and GW are breaking up. I'd also be surprised if GW, which is getting more heavily into the boardgame field themselves, was willing to license their IP to someone who is now a direct competitor in the miniature market.


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 kronk wrote:
Each unit has their own wheel for their list of possible actions and that is as far into game play as they discussed. Models were better than Kings of war, but not as good as some Age of Sigmar. Perhaps on par with some of the basic troop units.

How do the models compare to their board game figures? Are the larger and more detailed than something like Descent or Imperial Assault?

Some of the minis look good... but are they resin masters or final? Is it gonna be all Descent-ish PVC? or more like Blood Rage PVC? Or something else?

I kinda like the idea of the interlocking movement trays

Yeah, I don't see the FFG GW partnership lasting too much longer. The 40k licensed products have been second fiddle to Star Wars for years now and BOTH companies are stepping into the other's niche (a return for gw but new/expanded focus for FFG). Whenever the license expires, I expect them not to renew it.

The most exciting development here is that it gives greater hope of a Star Wars tabletop war game. They already have the miniatures for Imperial Assault.... Mez

Yeah I would totally play that. However the best news to me. I wonder who will get the 40k rpg rights? 40k has a wealth of untapped tabletop rpg possibilities.

Edit
Also that is some seriously generic fantasy. I actually think those minis are pretty bland for having to be painted.

They kind of look like improved versions of Mantic stuff. I immediately thought "Basilia" when I saw the humans.

The undead are kind of cool, I get a skyrim vibe from them

I can't tell the difference. 99% of undead all look the same to me.

links to the FFG webstuff


https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/runewars-miniatures-game-showcase/

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/8/5/runewars-the-miniatures-game/









.... hmmm .. interesting.


.... dig the scenery especially, come what may hope that gets released

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Two words:

Proprietary Dice

A mass wargame with its own special dice. Yeah... no thanks.

Surely that depends on how the game plays. Both Xwing and Armada have propriety dice and I've never felt it to be burdensome. Both these are good games so I'll reserve judgement until I see how it actually plays (admittedly it's bad if you need thousands of these special dice).

As for the models they are a bit too WoW for my tastes (but the same goes for AoS) but in principle they aren't bad for a ranked mass battle style of game (not everyone wants complex, fiddly models to put together and paint)

However it might give GW pause for thought as FFG have a good market coverage from previous games and if the game truly does scale cost effectively then AoS might have a serious competitor. *Note this isn't to say that other games out there are not also competitors but FFGs scale is larger and has a broader coverage then many other companies, helped massively by it's Star Wars licence.

Yikes, not into this at all. And I quite like this Runebound universe. Think I'll stick to the board games.

Quite interesting news, seems to have all the hallmarks of an introductory wargame I think FFG designed it well.

GW should take notice on this and how it will work.

Quite Warcrafty looking. Which for me, sadly, is a turnoff.

As a fan of most FFG products, I quite like the old school swords and sorcery vibe I'm getting from this.

It's all 1980s style fantasy, which is always a big plus in my book.

I think the jigsaw style bases look as though suppression tokens or markers could slot into them, rather much like the ME bases...


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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Quite interesting news, seems to have all the hallmarks of an introductory wargame I think FFG designed it well.

GW should take notice on this and how it will work.

How will GW find out? The internet and social media doesn't exist in their world

Maybe they'll get the news when the steamship arrives at Liverpool in a few months time bearing news from the New World

The humans look far too WoW-ish to me, but I do like the look of the undead.

Not for me (unless I can get hold of some of the models cheap for use in KoW) but it does look like it could be a rather nice introduction game to someone getting started with tabletop gaming.

If it takes off; twenty years in the future ,I could see a lot of people citing this as the game that got them into the hobby. Like so many of us started out with heroquest or battle masters.