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I’m hoping ork flyers are tagged speed freaks...
Becuase I think dakkajets are going to excel especially if they are badmoons with reroll 1s and exploding 6s.

gungo wrote:
I’m hoping ork flyers are tagged speed freaks...
Becuase I think dakkajets are going to excel especially if they are badmoons with reroll 1s and exploding 6s.

Why would they need the speed freeks tag? It seems to be just something they made up for the board game, which it seems is only going to be used for a stratagem (maybe there's a couple of stratagems). The stratagem gives -1 to hit, which flyers already get, so they almost certainly won't bother changing the dakkajet.

Dakkajets can reroll 1's and explode 6's as it is, and they already get a permanent (no CP use) -1 to hit, so adding a useless keyword to them seems well.. useless. Unless there's been more added to that keyword that hasn't been announced yet.

But the keyword is for the board game units, and the dakkajet isn't one.

Niiru wrote:

gungo wrote:
I’m hoping ork flyers are tagged speed freaks...
Becuase I think dakkajets are going to excel especially if they are badmoons with reroll 1s and exploding 6s.

Why would they need the speed freeks tag? It seems to be just something they made up for the board game, which it seems is only going to be used for a stratagem (maybe there's a couple of stratagems). The stratagem gives -1 to hit, which flyers already get, so they almost certainly won't bother changing the dakkajet.

Dakkajets can reroll 1's and explode 6's as it is, and they already get a permanent (no CP use) -1 to hit, so adding a useless keyword to them seems well.. useless. Unless there's been more added to that keyword that hasn't been announced yet.

But the keyword is for the board game units, and the dakkajet isn't one.

A second -1 to hit would be quite nice, unless playing against those dang ORKS that always hit on 6s...

the speed freeks keyword doesn't really have anything to do with the new standalone game...aside from all the vehicles usable in that game having the keyword...deffkoptas also have the keyword, and I don't think they're in the speed freeks game?

"Speed Freeks is a new keyword in Codex: Orks shared by all the new Ork vehicles and other Orks who feel the call of the Speedwaaagh!, like Deffkoptas and Warbikers. In the lore, Orks have always been known for their love of speed, and this keyword lets you represent that with special rules and Stratagems designed just for you. Take Billowing Exhaust Clouds – a great give one of your new Ork vehicles a nifty durability boost"

ork flyers might not get it, but then, they are ork vehicles, who do like to go fast, so they could fit the description...I dunno, wait and see I guess.

There are several strategems just for speed freaks... this has nothing to do with the standalone game...
Also -2 to hit is significantly better then -1....making your dakkajets much tankier...

Adding 2 to hit rolls for the shokk rifle might actually be worth it, along with unmodified 1's causing mortal wounds instead of just 1's.

Too bad it's on the model I like least...

At least we're getting some stuff that will improve our shooting, here's hoping the SAG gets some love.

Shokkjump Dragsta with bad moonz klan traits and DDD hits 1.87 of its two shokk rifle shots. Now that's d'ed accurate. Rokkit has a little under a 50/50 chance to hit. Against T7 Sv3+ that's 3 to 4 damage, and probably 3 against T8 Sv3+ too. 120 points worth of tank bustas at their current price get 4.88 hits, which translates to about 2 unsaved wounds or 6 damage vs T7 Sv3+ and 1.6 unsaved wounds against T8 Sv 3+ for 3-6 damage with a decent chance for 6. So, more damage, but the tank bustas will probably need a ride. I would say two dragstas is probably a solid side-grade to 10 tankbustas in a trukk, with the tankbustas doing more damage while the dragstas are a little more durable (16 T6 4+wounds as opposed to 10 with some squishy boyz inside) and a little more maneuverable (extra 2" move with chance to teleport).

So with the leaks that just came out it looks like we get som awesome buffs for speed freaks from clan trait and the exhaust cloud is back as a strategem the gives us -1. So glad I kept my winning Zhadsnark led biker army from 7th ed.

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
So with the leaks that just came out it looks like we get som awesome buffs for speed freaks from clan trait and the exhaust cloud is back as a strategem the gives us -1. So glad I kept my winning Zhadsnark led biker army from 7th ed.

And that might stack with the one buggies' natural -1 to hit to give it an overall -2 to hit.

The billowing exhaust clouds (-1 stratagem) is much better if you're bringing 1 vehicle, or have 1 left that is in threat range. You must use it at the beginning of your movement phase. So you can't just react to their firing.

On the plus side, it lasts for opponents shooting and combat phase.

IMO this is significantly worse than rotate ion shields or lightning fast reactions, since they both activate when the unit is targeted, making it always effective.

the_scotsman wrote:

Niiru wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/17/17th-oct-orks-da-vehiclesgw-homepage-post-3/


Some more info on the vehicles. Only weapon profiles really, no vehicle stats, but some interesting things.

One of the vehicles has a S3 grot blasta and another has a S4 grot blasta.

I hope this heralds a new era in Bespoke Rules tm where the names of the weapons have no bearing on the stats and are just what the models on the datasheet call the weapons.

The new tyranid weapons page would look like

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

S4 AP- D1

GKAAAAAAKGHHHHH

D3 shots S7 AP-1 D2

Why on earth you hope for that nightmare?


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 hollow one wrote:
The billowing exhaust clouds (-1 stratagem) is much better if you're bringing 1 vehicle, or have 1 left that is in threat range. You must use it at the beginning of your movement phase. So you can't just react to their firing.

On the plus side, it lasts for opponents shooting and combat phase.

IMO this is significantly worse than rotate ion shields or lightning fast reactions, since they both activate when the unit is targeted, making it always effective.

And even RIS isn't that usefull with multi knight army. And ork vehicles are rarely deathstar "1 in the army" type...

Best usage for strategem is likely not a vehicle but unit of 12 bikes. Strategems works best on deathstar builds and 1 vehicle is rarely deathstar for orks. For worthwhile vehicle you would need like loaded up battlewagon.

What will be too bad is they likely wont FAQ the old buggies or Nob Bikers to be Speed Freaks. :(

vindicare0412 wrote:
What will be too bad is they likely wont FAQ the old buggies or Nob Bikers to be Speed Freaks. :(

According to the french leaker, Nob Bikers are in the codex, but they suck.

For your old buggies, I'd just base them and add bits to them (or not) to make them count as scrapjets or snazzwagons, depending on whether you have the rokkit or shoota version.

Billowing Smoke clouds is situational at best. It is not something that I would use every turn.

You'll probably only need it during the first or second turn anyways.

A single mob of warbikers or 5 koptas protected by it could be decent, assuming the units themselves are properly costed.

If we are lucky we can use it to protect a trukk that's carrying a unit of tankbustas or Thrakka.

Or that one vehicle sitting on an objective at the end of the game.

-1 to hit isn't going to save any ork vehicle, just ask Magnus

Also, the vast majority of games tend to not have end of game scoring anymore.

 Jidmah wrote:

vindicare0412 wrote:
What will be too bad is they likely wont FAQ the old buggies or Nob Bikers to be Speed Freaks. :(

According to the french leaker, Nob Bikers are in the codex, but they suck.

For your old buggies, I'd just base them and add bits to them (or not) to make them count as scrapjets or snazzwagons, depending on whether you have the rokkit or shoota version.

I swear Nob Bikers are paying the price for being amazing in 5th.

I controverted my old buggies from AOBR Deffkoptas so IDK where I am going to start if i want to convert them again

If you ask me, what is a kopta on wheels if not a downed flyboy driving a scrapjet?

 Jidmah wrote:
If you ask me, what is a kopta on wheels if not a downed flyboy driving a scrapjet?

Can't argue with that logic

technically that would be a "scrapkopta", not a "scrapjet"...know yer gubbinz

 Jidmah wrote:
You'll probably only need it during the first or second turn anyways.

A single mob of warbikers or 5 koptas protected by it could be decent, assuming the units themselves are properly costed.

If we are lucky we can use it to protect a trukk that's carrying a unit of tankbustas or Thrakka.

Or battlewagon. Battlewagon loaded up with good h2h infantry(so nobs or meganobz if they get sufficient boost though french say no for meganobz) could be pretty evil.

So the latest article,

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/18/18th-oct-building-a-speed-freeks-armygw-homepage-post-2/?fbclid=IwAR1BSU1ExAZtnttjhb-2oqB5W6kJPZm0cGa__GcnWlOVizLuyd_dmzMmWY0

is pretty...empty.
"you can build a Speed Freek army! All the models are great!" No kidding.

Shrapnelbait wrote:
So the latest article,

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/18/18th-oct-building-a-speed-freeks-armygw-homepage-post-2/?fbclid=IwAR1BSU1ExAZtnttjhb-2oqB5W6kJPZm0cGa__GcnWlOVizLuyd_dmzMmWY0

is pretty...empty.
"you can build a Speed Freek army! All the models are great!" No kidding.

Yeah, it was a bit of a non-event. BUT! It does show cost reductions (in power level, but still...) for some key units. I'm excited by the 3PL drop for the Morkanaut, and the 2 PL drop for trukks. Hopefully that will translate to a decent point drop too? Maybe?

Im thinking of running a unit of the 3 Shokkjump Dragsta. The amount of output on the overcharged plasma alone can help put the hurt on vehicle heavy lists.

Shrapnelbait wrote:
So the latest article,

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/18/18th-oct-building-a-speed-freeks-armygw-homepage-post-2/?fbclid=IwAR1BSU1ExAZtnttjhb-2oqB5W6kJPZm0cGa__GcnWlOVizLuyd_dmzMmWY0

is pretty...empty.
"you can build a Speed Freek army! All the models are great!" No kidding.

The one from today is basically, Hey... Orks have had vehicle models. Yep. Models of vehicles.

Are you not entertained?

I mean, it's fine, it's just underwhelming after yesterday's article.

I want to see some clan rules straight from the horse's mouth, or some new codex information.

 TedNugent wrote:
I mean, it's fine, it's just underwhelming after yesterday's article.

I want to see some clan rules straight from the horse's mouth, or some new codex information.

Yeah, but all that is going to start next week (or maybe Sunday) to lead you to the codex release. I'm actually surprised we got as much as we did on the vehicles that are not in the speed freeks box in wednesdays article

Has anybody been running bikes this edition? Do you want msu or full squads? Does the nob get a klaw?

 Rismonite wrote:
Has anybody been running bikes this edition? Do you want msu or full squads? Does the nob get a klaw?

Bikes for all armies are hurting this edition. Outside of a few special cases like shining spears.

The issue being that for orks they were kinda expensive and you couldn’t deploy them in any numbers which is our strong point
And the fact 2 wound models are at a slight disadvantage

Saying that the data sheet was leaked bikers are basically the same as the index except they are PL 4 instead of 5 suggesting a minor points drop
To answer your question I doubt it will change but in this edition MSU isn’t really an ork tactic our units do best in max size units to make the most use of auras and strategems. Be it stormboys or basic boys or bikers they all are more efficient as large groups. But we will find out more shortly.