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Hello I'm currently building my army, mostly the grey plastic I used to buy and leave in the wardrobe

I own more or less these things, what would you build with them?
I also plan on making a smaller core force to which I could add different sub-armies as allied but that will come later on


1 Interrogator Chaplain
1 Librarian
1 Chapter Master

25ish Tacticals (mostly fixed poses from boxes, I also own some veterans old style to build as sergeant)
-4 Plasma Cannons
-4 Grav Cannons
-1 Laser
-1 Missile Launcher
-1 plasma gun

5 Assault Marines
-1 flamer

5 Terminators (Dark Vengeance)
-1 assault
-1 sergeant
-1 typhon

6 Bikes (Dark Vengeance)
-2 plasma
-2 sergeants (I can convert those, but I need to know how to!)

1 Land Raider laser (but I would like to cut the lasers to requiem to host 5 knights + 1 qg maybe the interrogator chaplain)
2 Rhyno (unluckly no Razorback turrets)
1 Dreadnought Laser + fist ( I have requiem and missile launcher bits)


Yet to be assembled with all the bits:
3 Land Speeder
1 Librarian Terminator
5 Deathwing Knights
1 Dreadnought (Egressus Ater)
1 Tactical Squad (from KT)

 suxdavide wrote:
Yet to be assembled with all the bits:
3 Land Raider Speeder

I'm going to make a guess here and say you meant Land Speeders and not Land Raiders?

Anyway, the easiest way to combine all of that into a single army will be as a Lion's Blade Strike Force:

Start with a Demi-Company - The Company Master, three Tactical Squads, an Assault Squad and a Devastator Squad. Optional Dreadnought.
Then add auxiliaries - A Deathwing Redemption Force (Terminator Librarian, DW Terminators and DW Knights, could also add a dreadnought as a Venrible), and one or two Ravenwing Attack Squadrons (bike squad plus speeder).
The Int Chappy or PA Librarian can also be added as a Command choice.

This limits the use of the Land Raider as a delivery mechanism for the Knights, as they have to start in reserves as part of the Redemption Force.

The alternative is to build the army as Combined Arms Detachments (plus specific formations if you feel like it). This will allow you much more choice over what to take, at the expense of losing some of the 'free' rules the Lion's Blade gets.

How many points were you looking at fielding?

 Quanar wrote:

 suxdavide wrote:
Yet to be assembled with all the bits:
3 Land Raider Speeder

I'm going to make a guess here and say you meant Land Speeders and not Land Raiders?

Anyway, the easiest way to combine all of that into a single army will be as a Lion's Blade Strike Force:

Start with a Demi-Company - The Company Master, three Tactical Squads, an Assault Squad and a Devastator Squad. Optional Dreadnought.
Then add auxiliaries - A Deathwing Redemption Force (Terminator Librarian, DW Terminators and DW Knights, could also add a dreadnought as a Venrible), and one or two Ravenwing Attack Squadrons (bike squad plus speeder).
The Int Chappy or PA Librarian can also be added as a Command choice.

This limits the use of the Land Raider as a delivery mechanism for the Knights, as they have to start in reserves as part of the Redemption Force.

The alternative is to build the army as Combined Arms Detachments (plus specific formations if you feel like it). This will allow you much more choice over what to take, at the expense of losing some of the 'free' rules the Lion's Blade gets.

How many points were you looking at fielding?

Ooooops yup that's right, fixed the land raider speeders

As of which I prefer that is what I'm not sure about: I've been mostly following the BG and markets on FB to gather the miniatures:
I'd rather play a full customizable list than a formation but I don't know what I'd be losing on (in terms of efficiency etc).

For points I don't know, I wanted to have a 1850 army to deploy even if I'm not sure I could meet the point target, also I own some small forces (mostly QG+troop+elite/the troop I like of SW/UM for increasing the point size.

The Deathwing formation doesn't it require 2 terminator squad and maybe a Knight one? Am I wrong or?

 suxdavide wrote:
I'd rather play a full customizable list than a formation but I don't know what I'd be losing on (in terms of efficiency etc).

You're missing out on things like improved BS overwatch (DA already overwatch at BS2, a Demi- up's that to BS3, and a full Lions Blade gets BS4) and more Objective Secured (the entire Demi- gets it). Instead, you get much greater flexibility (like being able to load up a land raider with terminators and ramp it up the board turn one).

 suxdavide wrote:
For points I don't know, I wanted to have a 1850 army to deploy even if I'm not sure I could meet the point target, also I own some small forces (mostly QG+troop+elite/the troop I like of SW/UM for increasing the point size.

You'll definitely be able to field 1850 from just the models you've listed.

 suxdavide wrote:
The Deathwing formation doesn't it require 2 terminator squad and maybe a Knight one? Am I wrong or?

Ack, you're quite right! (I use the DW Strike Force instead of the Redemption, and hadn't checked).

With regard to suggested starting units / compositions:
Interrogator Chaplain, Deathwing Knights, Land Raider (assuming converted to Crusader or Redeemer) - 600 points worth of gigantic distraction target (i.e. "deal with this or get munched")
Devastator squad with 2x Grav cannons and a Rhino - you can field two of these from the models you own - the range on the grav cannons is an issue, so they bundle in the transport to move around the board. The two fire points on the Rhino is why only two cannons (giving you some expendable bodies too), and the armour adds a little survivability to the unit.
At least two tactical squads. Anywhere from 5 to 10 man, one special weapon and a matching combi-weapon on the sergeant. Needs a transport (which we've already used on the Devs, so this would be an additional purchase I'm afraid).

 Quanar wrote:

 suxdavide wrote:
I'd rather play a full customizable list than a formation but I don't know what I'd be losing on (in terms of efficiency etc).

You're missing out on things like improved BS overwatch (DA already overwatch at BS2, a Demi- up's that to BS3, and a full Lions Blade gets BS4) and more Objective Secured (the entire Demi- gets it). Instead, you get much greater flexibility (like being able to load up a land raider with terminators and ramp it up the board turn one).

 suxdavide wrote:
For points I don't know, I wanted to have a 1850 army to deploy even if I'm not sure I could meet the point target, also I own some small forces (mostly QG+troop+elite/the troop I like of SW/UM for increasing the point size.

You'll definitely be able to field 1850 from just the models you've listed.

 suxdavide wrote:
The Deathwing formation doesn't it require 2 terminator squad and maybe a Knight one? Am I wrong or?

Ack, you're quite right! (I use the DW Strike Force instead of the Redemption, and hadn't checked).

With regard to suggested starting units / compositions:
Interrogator Chaplain, Deathwing Knights, Land Raider (assuming converted to Crusader or Redeemer) - 600 points worth of gigantic distraction target (i.e. "deal with this or get munched")
Devastator squad with 2x Grav cannons and a Rhino - you can field two of these from the models you own - the range on the grav cannons is an issue, so they bundle in the transport to move around the board. The two fire points on the Rhino is why only two cannons (giving you some expendable bodies too), and the armour adds a little survivability to the unit.
At least two tactical squads. Anywhere from 5 to 10 man, one special weapon and a matching combi-weapon on the sergeant. Needs a transport (which we've already used on the Devs, so this would be an additional purchase I'm afraid).

I was afraid of being short on vehicles, I don't know if a rhyno or a razorback would fit better. I read online a lot of people go for a veteran squad would that greatly improve my gameplay?



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Minding your tips I made something like:

Interrogator Chaplain 110pt

Deathwing Knights x5 + Land Raider Crusader 485pt

Troops x10
+ plasma cannon
+ plasma gun 170

2x Troops x10
+ plasma cannon 310

Ravenwing Bike x6
+2x Plasmagun 180pt

Land Speeder x3
+ Typhoon missile launcher x3 225pt

2x Devastator Squad x5
+ 2x grav cannon
+ rhino 350pt

I still miss 20 pts

 suxdavide wrote:
Minding your tips I made something like:

Interrogator Chaplain 110pt

Deathwing Knights x5 + Land Raider Crusader 485pt

Troops x10
+ plasma cannon
+ plasma gun 170

2x Troops x10
+ plasma cannon 310

Ravenwing Bike x6
+2x Plasmagun 180pt

Land Speeder x3
+ Typhoon missile launcher x3 225pt

2x Devastator Squad x5
+ 2x grav cannon
+ rhino 350pt

I still miss 20 pts

Looking good, the 20 points can easily be spent on combi-weapons (for extra dakka) or veteran sergeants (if you've like me and can't pass Ld tests on an 8).

If you feel like flexing your converting muscles, the bikers are better with grav guns rather than plasma - for the cost of a biker with plasma you could get a Black Knight, who does the same job but better. The Relentless from the bikes combines very well with Salvo weapons.

If you expand the list from there, I'd suggest a Darkshroud to turn the speeder squadron into a Ravenwing Support Squadron, and some transports for the tactical squads (rhinos, razorbacks or drop pods depending on preference).

And quickly touching on the subject of Veterans - because DA don't get access to Sternguard, using a Vet squad or PA command squad is our only option for a unit full of special weapons. But by no means is this type of unit mandatory, and it will likely get shot off the board after killing a single target. If that target was a Knight, or Baneblade, for example, then job done, otherwise it's wasted points. Other veteran setups (melee-focused etc.) suffer from needing an assault transport, but work out cheaper (and less scary) than Deathwing

 Quanar wrote:
Looking good, the 20 points can easily be spent on combi-weapons (for extra dakka) or veteran sergeants (if you've like me and can't pass Ld tests on an 8).

If you feel like flexing your converting muscles, the bikers are better with grav guns rather than plasma - for the cost of a biker with plasma you could get a Black Knight, who does the same job but better. The Relentless from the bikes combines very well with Salvo weapons.

If you expand the list from there, I'd suggest a Darkshroud to turn the speeder squadron into a Ravenwing Support Squadron, and some transports for the tactical squads (rhinos, razorbacks or drop pods depending on preference).

And quickly touching on the subject of Veterans - because DA don't get access to Sternguard, using a Vet squad or PA command squad is our only option for a unit full of special weapons. But by no means is this type of unit mandatory, and it will likely get shot off the board after killing a single target. If that target was a Knight, or Baneblade, for example, then job done, otherwise it's wasted points. Other veteran setups (melee-focused etc.) suffer from needing an assault transport, but work out cheaper (and less scary) than Deathwing

Unlucky I have no grav guns nor Black Knights, I'll be buying those later on (I hope) elseway is there an easy way to convert the DarkVengeance bike sets to Knights?

I was thinking too about the Darkshroud but it's kinda expansive and I don't find it easily on the used markets (people tend to keep it)

I don't like too much the idea of having a suicide squad, I usually go for a stable and strong squad where every loss counts but I'll keep this in mind

Would the list really miss on psyonic power? What do I miss most? Anti tank?

As of allied armies I have:

Space Wolves:
1 QG on wolf
3 Wolves
5 terminators
10ish troops

Grey Knights:
1 Draigo
2 Dreadknights
10 troops

Ultramarines:
1 Terminator Librarian
3 Centurion Devastator (grav)
5 Scout

Imperial Knights:
Looking to find a Paladin

 suxdavide wrote:
Unlucky I have no grav guns nor Black Knights, I'll be buying those later on (I hope) elseway is there an easy way to convert the DarkVengeance bike sets to Knights?

I was thinking too about the Darkshroud but it's kinda expansive and I don't find it easily on the used markets (people tend to keep it)

I don't like too much the idea of having a suicide squad, I usually go for a stable and strong squad where every loss counts but I'll keep this in mind

Would the list really miss on psyonic power? What do I miss most? Anti tank?

Whilst the plasma talons and corvus hammers might end up on bitz sites (you end up with more than you need in the kit), it would be tricky making them look enough like black knights.
Yeah, Darkshrouds are expensive, I just mentioned it as it's a good combo if you're using Typhoon speeders. Just try and keep them out of harm's way.
You're not really too hampered by not having a Psyker - against an army that's focusing on the psychic phase you still won't have enough dice to be meaningful either way. Anti-tank is sort of covered by Typhoons and plasma (for AV 12 or less) and by Grav if necessary against AV13-14 (stripping hull points by weight of fire). Really the list lacks Anti-Air, but that's difficult to cover as Dark Angels as our flyers struggle to kill the enemy flyers we're worried about (Heldrakes etc.).