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Haven't been playing much X-Wing of late and am a little bit out of the loop, but have a competition coming up, whilst I'm happy to play for fun, driving for a couple of hours to be subjected to 0-100 smashings also isn't ideal

So out of the following lists whats still passable, or if there is something sweet I'm missing due to lack of up to date info please let us know.

1) Bro-bot, most likely HLC versions

2) Triple Defenders (Ace plus 2 grunts)

3) Jumpmasters / Dengaroo

4) Classic Fat Han plus support.

All comments welcome

Everything is still passable, except Fat Han. You don't want to run Fat Han anymore.

Yup fat Han isn't in a great place due to triple jumpmasters which are having a powerful effect on the meta.

You see Ghost & Dash pop up quite a bit, too.

It's been a bit of a drought this summer in terms of X-Wing in my area.
That being said, I'd be careful to lump Triple Scouts with Dengaroo. They play very differently, and you need to attack them very differently too.

I think you'll see more variation with Scum lists... Shadow Caster is going to be big.
Double ARC and Biggs will be a thing.
Double Ghost

Toilet seats (Triple Scouts) have started to die down now that they cant use the target lock on the same turn you shoot with DeadEye. They are still pretty strong, but not the ridiculous tabling of opponents by round 3 plague that was going on.

I'm still of a mind that a well built Fat Han might be worth it. I had good success last week. And triple jumps can still use an OCR4 astromech so it might not be a straight reroll, but they get to keep their focus. Don't discount them.

Although I've never seen anyone try to use them coming in from different vectors. Most videos I see, they bump into each other, thus can't fire ordnance and then start to die.

Palp Aces.

Has nobody mentioned that yet, or did I just fail a spot check?

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
Palp Aces.

Has nobody mentioned that yet, or did I just fail a spot check?

they still exist. in my local area there's still one guy that uses them occasionally but even he's looking at new squads

They still exist, and they still dominate. Palp aces is a top-tier list right now and still very hard to beat.

I would say hard to beat not very hard though. just saying

 captain bloody fists wrote:
I would say hard to beat not very hard though. just saying

Sounds like you haven't flown against good Palp aces players. There's a reason it wins tournaments so often.

 Peregrine wrote:

 captain bloody fists wrote:
I would say hard to beat not very hard though. just saying

Sounds like you haven't flown against good Palp aces players. There's a reason it wins tournaments so often.

They're all flying Turr Phenir.

 Peregrine wrote:

 captain bloody fists wrote:
I would say hard to beat not very hard though. just saying

Sounds like you haven't flown against good Palp aces players. There's a reason it wins tournaments so often.

Actually i thought that in the list of top lists from tournaments it was coming in third. don't have actual proof on me, just what i had heard.


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 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 captain bloody fists wrote:
I would say hard to beat not very hard though. just saying

Sounds like you haven't flown against good Palp aces players. There's a reason it wins tournaments so often.

They're all flying Turr Phenir.

funny...

 captain bloody fists wrote:
Actually i thought that in the list of top lists from tournaments it was coming in third. don't have actual proof on me, just what i had heard.

Third at big tournaments is still pretty damn good. And it varies depending on the event/dice luck/etc. For example, at the most recent nationals (Brazil) a variant of Palp aces with a Decimator + Fel won, second went to classic Palp aces with Jax/Inquisitor/shuttle. Third/fourth was Jax/Inquisitor/shuttle and Vessery/Ryad/shuttle. IOW, top-4 was all some variant of Palpatine and ace(s).

Toilet seats (Triple Scouts) have started to die down now that they cant use the target lock on the same turn you shoot with DeadEye. They are still pretty strong, but not the ridiculous tabling of opponents by round 3 plague that was going on.

They can still do what they did - there are substitutes like Overclocked R4 - but they all either cost more points or come with downsides.

To be fair, the whole R4 agromech 'nerf' thing wasn't a nerf - it was inevitable anyway from the moment the Force Awakens core set came out (which slightly changed the order of events and specified that there isn't a defender until after the point where you pay 'perform the attack' indicated costs).

The problem was that Jumpmaster players read the R4 agromech to say what they wanted it to say, not what it actually did.

They still exist, and they still dominate. Palp aces is a top-tier list right now and still very hard to beat.

Agreed. Palpatine & Aces is still around, but it's mutated a bit.

The original version - Vader & Soontir Fel - is by no means obsolete (and you still see it because it's the highest PS version, which gives it an edge in ace-v-ace fights), but there are now quite a selection of different aces you can bolt together, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, so "Palp Aces" as a phrase covers a much wider multitude of sins than 'trip jumpmasters' or 'twin IGs'.

TIE Defenders pop up a lot, because they're much more tolerant of blocking, stress, and unavoidable damage than Fel/Vader, whilst the Inquistor is both cheaper and good at hunting other autothruster-equipped aces with slow, tight turns and long range.

They're not as totally dominant as they were, because there are now a lot of nasty green-dice-bypassing tricks scum can stitch together, but they're still very good.

locarno24 wrote:

The problem was that Jumpmaster players read the R4 agromech to say what they wanted it to say, not what it actually did.

Incorrect. The FAQ before the most recent one with the flow chart actually says that the R4 worked like that. Thank you for assuming all Jumpmaster players are cheaters.

locarno24 wrote:
The problem was that Jumpmaster players read the R4 agromech to say what they wanted it to say, not what it actually did.

Well, they read it as it originally acted not noticing the rule change that was basically snuck through in the TFA core with no fanfare whatsoever from FFG. Keeping in mind that the TFA core was by no means a mandatory purchase given that the damage deck isn't even required.

Also no one really thought they would straight up euthanize Blaster Turret like that, but here we are.

Intersting stuff, I'm aware of Palp Aces but I don't have a real Palp card and I'm fairly sure nobody in my local group has one I can borrow so its not a option (fingers cross the stick out a prize version like C3PO sometime)

I know Jumps and Denagroo are way different, its just all the ships and cards for both lists live in the same storage box

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Intersting stuff, I'm aware of Palp Aces but I don't have a real Palp card and I'm fairly sure nobody in my local group has one I can borrow so its not a option (fingers cross the stick out a prize version like C3PO sometime)
p:

You must have a small meta. There are only about 20 tourney players within 2 hours of my store, and there are several Palp Ace players who are good (and then there is me... I seem to keep gravitating back to that list for some reason).

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Intersting stuff, I'm aware of Palp Aces but I don't have a real Palp card and I'm fairly sure nobody in my local group has one I can borrow so its not a option (fingers cross the stick out a prize version like C3PO sometime)
p:

You must have a small meta. There are only about 20 tourney players within 2 hours of my store, and there are several Palp Ace players who are good (and then there is me... I seem to keep gravitating back to that list for some reason).

Yarp its one of the perils of being deep in the depths of rural SW England with no FLGS, the nearest one being over an hour away, so only have a handful of local players and as we don't torny much so nobody feels the urge to splash out on a Raider or real Palp card.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Intersting stuff, I'm aware of Palp Aces but I don't have a real Palp card and I'm fairly sure nobody in my local group has one I can borrow so its not a option

Wrong!

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Intersting stuff, I'm aware of Palp Aces but I don't have a real Palp card and I'm fairly sure nobody in my local group has one I can borrow so its not a option

Wrong!

I stand corrected then

You're more than welcome to borrow mine, and I expect Phil has one signed by Ian McDiarmid.

Well, they read it as it originally acted not noticing the rule change that was basically snuck through in the TFA core with no fanfare whatsoever from FFG. Keeping in mind that the TFA core was by no means a mandatory purchase given that the damage deck isn't even required.

They did publish the rulebook on-line, and explicitely said in an article on their page "read it, we've changed some stuff" - the article giving the example of Night Beast's rules being affected by changes of sequence.

Thank you for assuming all Jumpmaster players are cheaters.

No, just not reading the current rules and assuming things are what they always were. It's something people do often enough between different editions of 40k. 'Cheating' would require you to realise that that's not how the rules work and continue to do so anyway.

Is it fair to assume the most common Palp Ace list one would expect to see at your average tourney Omicron+Inquisitor+Jax?
If so, what does this build have going for it over the others?
(Vader+Fel, Fel+Inquisitor, Inquisitor+Omega.L+Wampa)

A friend of mine runs this:
Omicron Group Pilot (21)
Emperor Palpatine (8)

"Wampa" (14)

"Omega Leader" (21)
Juke (2)
Comm Relay (3)

The Inquisitor (25)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
TIE/v1 (1)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

And has won a Regionals with it. He was offering himself as the "guy to beat" before our Nationals at our weekly game nights.

Yep, that's one of the old powerhouses (Palp+Wampa=ouch),
But now I'm seeing a lot of Jax or even the new TIE/x7 Crack Defenders with Palp.
Just wondering whether these builds really are better than the other ones, or if people are just taking them because they're the new thing.

 skoffs wrote:
Yep, that's one of the old powerhouses (Palp+Wampa=ouch),
But now I'm seeing a lot of Jax or even the new TIE/x7 Crack Defenders with Palp.
Just wondering whether these builds really are better than the other ones, or if people are just taking them because they're the new thing.

A bit of both, I suspect. Defenders are shiny new toys, and are also a bit more forgiving than Vader/Fel/Jax/Inquisitor.

Edit:
And Jax is a check to U-boats (Can get up in their faces fast enough to potentially deny them the Alpha-strike, and send one of the toilet seats down in flames before it fires a torpedo).

locarno24 wrote:

Well, they read it as it originally acted not noticing the rule change that was basically snuck through in the TFA core with no fanfare whatsoever from FFG. Keeping in mind that the TFA core was by no means a mandatory purchase given that the damage deck isn't even required.

They did publish the rulebook on-line, and explicitely said in an article on their page "read it, we've changed some stuff" - the article giving the example of Night Beast's rules being affected by changes of sequence.

Exactly.

I'm not sure where this idea that FFG "snuck" rule changes into the game with the new core set (or that they did it with "no fanfare"). They made a pretty big deal about it when it came out and they made it clear that while the purchase wasn't mandatory, the new rule book available for free on their website superseded the old one.