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who would you say is single handily the greatest astarte, not in terms of skill or power level but in terms of "greatness", accomplishment, legacy


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Erebus. Basically started the Heresy by turning Horus to Chaos.


 
   
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Has to be Dante, surely. Him or Papa Smurf.

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Thereonly one Astarte and her name is Ishtar

If anything Draigo says is true, it's easily him (though we all know he's been snorting that fine warp dust)

And by Astarte, are you including traitors? Because in that case, I'd toss in my nomination for Shon'tu. If not, then Sharrowkyn. If "all" space marines aspire to be like the Ultramarines, then all Ultramarine scouts, assault Marines, and vanguard veterans must aspire to be like Sharrowkyn... with probably some fudging of his story on the Ultramarines part. Hell, probably gives Cato Sicarius an inferiority complex...

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See i was told that Logan Grimmar was recognized as the greatest hero in the imperium

is this true?
   
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In the gospel according to The Ward, it would be Papa Smurf or Cato Sicarius.

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Didn't Sharrowkyn wreck Fulgrim in a fight or something?
   
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So, if we don't include Primarchs, i would argue that on the chaos side is Typhon. He is a herald of Nurgle, host of the Destroyer hive and flies of Nurgle,and has been known to level planets with his powers solo. I don't say Abaddon because he's had 12 unsuccessful crusades before this one, and he's finally moving past Cadia this time around.

As for the loyalists(Not including Cato Sicarius), i'd cast my vote for Nathaniel Garro. He was chosen as the Sigilite's right hand man. No other astartes can say that, and when you consider that Malcador was the emperor's right hand man, that(makes him like an index finger or something ) makes a statement about Garro as a soldier.

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 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
So, if we don't include Primarchs, i would argue that on the chaos side is Typhon. He is a herald of Nurgle, host of the Destroyer hive and flies of Nurgle,and has been known to level planets with his powers solo. I don't say Abaddon because he's had 12 unsuccessful crusades before this one, and he's finally moving past Cadia this time around.

As for the loyalists(Not including Cato Sicarius), i'd cast my vote for Nathaniel Garro. He was chosen as the Sigilite's right hand man. No other astartes can say that, and when you consider that Malcador was the emperor's right hand man, that(makes him like an index finger or something ) makes a statement about Garro as a soldier.


Didn't Garro betray Mortarion?
   
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LightKing wrote:
 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
So, if we don't include Primarchs, i would argue that on the chaos side is Typhon. He is a herald of Nurgle, host of the Destroyer hive and flies of Nurgle,and has been known to level planets with his powers solo. I don't say Abaddon because he's had 12 unsuccessful crusades before this one, and he's finally moving past Cadia this time around.

As for the loyalists(Not including Cato Sicarius), i'd cast my vote for Nathaniel Garro. He was chosen as the Sigilite's right hand man. No other astartes can say that, and when you consider that Malcador was the emperor's right hand man, that(makes him like an index finger or something ) makes a statement about Garro as a soldier.


Didn't Garro betray Mortarion?


Do you only reply to people's answers with more questions?

Here's your answer: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=nathaniel+garro

Also, I would say that everyone has the traitors covered, in terms of loyalist I would say Koorland gets pretty close. He (was) the last survivor of the Imperial Fists, became its Chapter Master and rallied the other successors of Dorn against the Beast, helped found the Deathwatch, become Lord Commander of the Imperium and deal with the politicking of the High Lords while he was still alive.
   
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LightKing wrote:
 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
So, if we don't include Primarchs, i would argue that on the chaos side is Typhon. He is a herald of Nurgle, host of the Destroyer hive and flies of Nurgle,and has been known to level planets with his powers solo. I don't say Abaddon because he's had 12 unsuccessful crusades before this one, and he's finally moving past Cadia this time around.

As for the loyalists(Not including Cato Sicarius), i'd cast my vote for Nathaniel Garro. He was chosen as the Sigilite's right hand man. No other astartes can say that, and when you consider that Malcador was the emperor's right hand man, that(makes him like an index finger or something ) makes a statement about Garro as a soldier.


Didn't Garro betray Mortarion?


Yes, so he's a traitor's traitor(Thus making him a loyalist to ya boi Emp ). Besides i'd attribute that to another excellent quality of Garro. He wasn't so blind not to see that Horus was wrong and knew when to stand next to his Primarch, and when to stand against him.

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LightKing wrote:
 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
So, if we don't include Primarchs, i would argue that on the chaos side is Typhon. He is a herald of Nurgle, host of the Destroyer hive and flies of Nurgle,and has been known to level planets with his powers solo. I don't say Abaddon because he's had 12 unsuccessful crusades before this one, and he's finally moving past Cadia this time around.

As for the loyalists(Not including Cato Sicarius), i'd cast my vote for Nathaniel Garro. He was chosen as the Sigilite's right hand man. No other astartes can say that, and when you consider that Malcador was the emperor's right hand man, that(makes him like an index finger or something ) makes a statement about Garro as a soldier.


Didn't Garro betray Mortarion?

Garro betrayed nobody. His allegiance was always to the Emperor, as was Mortarian for a time, until he turned traitor. Garro and his brothers simply refused to follow him into treachery.

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LightKing wrote:
Didn't Sharrowkyn wreck Fulgrim in a fight or something?


he wrecked Lucius in a fight*
   
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Greatest Astartes thread and no mention of Sigismund? For shame. The title "Emperor's Champion" says it all!

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 Castiel wrote:
Greatest Astartes thread and no mention of Sigismund? For shame. The title "Emperor's Champion" says it all!


Amen! Sigismund is definitely up there!
   
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 IllumiNini wrote:
 Castiel wrote:
Greatest Astartes thread and no mention of Sigismund? For shame. The title "Emperor's Champion" says it all!


Amen! Sigismund is definitely up there!


Aye...

Alot of the 30k leaders, first captains and Heroes give there 40k brothers a good challenge. Ots a pretty close can between the modern and hersey eras.

Also byorn the fell handed can cheat and be only one to be in both timelines....

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My vote is Cypher. Dude has been wrecking entire planets and he's killed Chaos Lords, Chapter Masters and Inquisitors of all varieties. His accomplishments are lengthy, here's a link.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cypher

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Engrenages wrote:
LightKing wrote:
Didn't Sharrowkyn wreck Fulgrim in a fight or something?


he wrecked Lucius in a fight*


And he shot Fulgrim in the head. Twice.

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I'm waiting for the hate on this, but I'd say Marneus Calgar. Codex states that only Guilliman has accomplished more than him, he's not only a superlative warrior, but he's also a capable General, a successful politician and a very fair minded person.
   
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 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I'm waiting for the hate on this, but I'd say Marneus Calgar. Codex states that only Guilliman has accomplished more than him, he's not only a superlative warrior, but he's also a capable General, a successful politician and a very fair minded person.

Strange.

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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
My vote is Cypher. Dude has been wrecking entire planets and he's killed Chaos Lords, Chapter Masters and Inquisitors of all varieties. His accomplishments are lengthy, here's a link.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cypher


How is this dude still alive? 10,000 years old and not Chaos tainted so...shouldn't he be dead

i mean Dante is only 1100
   
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 King Pariah wrote:
Thereonly one Astarte and her name is Ishtar

I see what you did there, exalted.

There's a very short paragraph in the current rulebook about great astartes emerging "Like the primarchs of old" in great need, saving the Imperium. It's an event that happened.... Actually I don't have the rulebook on hand so unsure about the date. M37 ish? If memort serves. I'd figure those four, whoever they where, would be up there.
Bjorn's the single oldest Astartes in the galaxy.
The Astral knights chapter master was pretty badass.
Huron managed one hell of a heresy without actually tempting other chapters with chaos, just using political reasons like "why are we fighting for the Imperium, what did the Emperor do for us?" to sway several chapters.
Probably some badass veteran lamentor that's seen more gak then any other space marine.

Though to name number one I actually think it's whoever's the legion of the damndes chapter master. If the theory that they're the firelords is true and they are actually a chapter that's going around through time showing up at pivotal spots to change important events then great characters like Dante, Tigirius and Lorgar might all actually be where they are today because of the legion of the damndes interference. Hence their chapter master, or whoever came up with the plan, must be the greatest in terms of good done for the Imperium. If they're one of the cursed foundings or there's some other explanation then I'd put credit to their de facto leader.

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His pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain's career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary. 
   
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A veteran soul drinker ...

By the time of there trial they would of seen more gak, salt than any other marine bar the lamenters....

There pretty tied....

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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If we're talking all Space Marines, Abbadon.

If we're talking loyalists, I'd want to say either Calgar,or Koorland. Let's face it, Koorland was running the Imperium for a time, last Imperial Fist and restarted their Chapter, was able to stand up to the Beast who defeated Vulkan - a worthy candidate.


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Lukas the Trickster.
By a long shot.
Acccomplishments -
*Sleeping around like a boss
*Infecting, poisoning and generally begging for death from some of the least restrained and most capable fighters in the imperium and continually surviving their vengance
*Locked an Imperial Delegation in a pen of large, horny animals
*Defeating an Orc WAAAGH!!! without actually fighting
*Causing a Rogue Mechanicus cult's own weaponry to backfire in a very literal sense
*Defeating a second Orc WAAAGH!!! by icing them
*Defeating an army of Renegade Space Marines while drunk as a skunk
*Hunted down and killed a doppelgangrel, some kind of elusive chameleon mutt type critter
*Had his secondary heart removed in the line of duty, replaced it with a stasis bomb
*Codex claims he's only been bested in combat once but since they only mention the guy who beat him one can assume he picks his fights better for the most part

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To be fair...

Space marines fighting drunk is no challenge...

That probably covers half the chapter!

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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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 jhe90 wrote:
To be fair...

Space marines fighting drunk is no challenge...

That probably covers half the chapter!


Getting drunk in the first place is actually a pretty big challenge for most Space Marines, a Space Marine can drink methylated spirits and fart alcohol vapor without any adverse effects. The Space Wolves use a toxin that shuts down one of their livers then drink hard spirits at the rate most people drink beer in order to get drunk.

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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
To be fair...

Space marines fighting drunk is no challenge...

That probably covers half the chapter!


Getting drunk in the first place is actually a pretty big challenge for most Space Marines, a Space Marine can drink methylated spirits and fart alcohol vapor without any adverse effects. The Space Wolves use a toxin that shuts down one of their livers then drink hard spirits at the rate most people drink beer in order to get drunk.


I know. Minus a antidote. It kills humans.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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Abaddon, who has had more successful Black Crusades than him?

Not even Angron comes close .
   
 
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