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Cobleskill

3 questions:
1. How can Foxhole be dispelled? I know of Purification, but are there any other ways?

2. Explosivo might just be better now as an upkeep. Does a weapon's special rules now transfer to the AOE? I'm specifically asking about the Hunter's Armor Piercing and the Charger's Powerful Attack.

3. Does the Hunter's Armor Piercing now stack with Brisbane's Feat?

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1 Eiryss can whack him with a disruptor bolt, there are a few other ways. Ruin has an axe, I think Morvanna can do it too.

2. Nope, if it made the weapons blast aoe3 it would do so. However the blast isn't a part of the shot, so it isn't affected by any special rules that the weapon has.

3 also nope. Both half base ARM so they don't stack.

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Cobleskill

When can feats be popped? at any time during the caster's activation? how about between when the kills are resolved on a ground pounder attack and the explosivo AOEs?

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It's any time. But if you are in the process of an attack, the attack must be finished before you can feat. So you wouldn't be able to ground pound and then feat and get the benefit on the explosivo shot.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
It's any time. But if you are in the process of an attack, the attack must be finished before you can feat. So you wouldn't be able to ground pound and then feat and get the benefit on the explosivo shot.


Hold on. That is not what you said for 2.

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 carldooley wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
It's any time. But if you are in the process of an attack, the attack must be finished before you can feat. So you wouldn't be able to ground pound and then feat and get the benefit on the explosivo shot.


Hold on. That is not what you said for 2.


What's the relation between #2 and this?

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Siege's feat does not give the weapon the actual armor piercing rule.
   
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 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
 carldooley wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
It's any time. But if you are in the process of an attack, the attack must be finished before you can feat. So you wouldn't be able to ground pound and then feat and get the benefit on the explosivo shot.


Hold on. That is not what you said for 2.


What's the relation between #2 and this?


welshhoppo said that the AOE from explosivo isn't a part of the shot. He then said that it has to be completed before I can trigger his feat. not part of the shot =\= completed. It isn't the same thing, so why cannot I trigger the feat between when I take the shot and explosivo AOEs resolve? If they are not part of the shot, why can I not trigger the feat in response?

Sorry, but I have some dissonance here. The shot must be completed before I can pop the feat. Fine. Explosivo is not part of the shot. Fine, but I apparently cannot pop the feat to Breach with the POW8 AOEs because it is part of the shot. Catch 22.

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 carldooley wrote:
 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
 carldooley wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
It's any time. But if you are in the process of an attack, the attack must be finished before you can feat. So you wouldn't be able to ground pound and then feat and get the benefit on the explosivo shot.


Hold on. That is not what you said for 2.


What's the relation between #2 and this?


welshhoppo said that the AOE from explosivo isn't a part of the shot. He then said that it has to be completed before I can trigger his feat. not part of the shot =\= completed. It isn't the same thing, so why cannot I trigger the feat between when I take the shot and explosivo AOEs resolve? If they are not part of the shot, why can I not trigger the feat in response?

Sorry, but I have some dissonance here. The shot must be completed before I can pop the feat. Fine. Explosivo is not part of the shot. Fine, but I apparently cannot pop the feat to Breach with the POW8 AOEs because it is part of the shot. Catch 22.


Because Shot=/=Attack, and Feats cannot be activated while an Attack is still being Resolved. (Explosivo is an involuntary action, and until resolved player has no imput)-taken from Pg. 91, Attack Sequence Appendix.
Effects do not carry over from weapons to the AOE because it is a spell (Actual ruling is: The AOE and associated damage is an effect from the spell, not from the weapon. As such it doesn't stack with stuff like Sniper.)
It's not really an issue, feat before you shoot. If you have an AOE already, great-Armor Piercing. If you don't, then you'll probably kill the first guy with the shot and still get Armor Piercing against all the others.

As for the Feat and Armor Piercing not stacking, it's because they both halve Base Armor. This has a very specific definition-the Armor value printed on the card, not the models current Armor.

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sorry for the nitpicking. Another one you folks are going to love. . .
If a model with the 'Sucker!' ability is hit with a breached Ground pounder, if the targeted model is within the ground pounder AOEm dies it suffer 2 breaching hits (as they are resolved simultaneously)?

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A model directly hit by a AOE may use Sucker! to pass it to another model. The AOE template is moved (because Sucker! is resolved at Step 6 of the Attack Sequence in Appendix A, but AOE placement occurs at Step 7).

Depending on how far apart the original target and the Sucker! are, the first model might get clipped by the AOE anyway.

A model indirectly hit by an AOE cannot use Sucker!

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Cobleskill

Ground pounder isn't an AOE attack. Oh, it uses the AOE to determine who is hit, but the AOE doesn't have to be centered over any single target.

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I believe Breach only affects one of the two hits because while the attacks are simultaneous and the overall result is applied, the damage rolls themselves occur in the order of your choosing and Breach only affects the next damage roll. Probably worth asking on the PP forums though; just to get an official ruling.
   
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A model directly hit may use Sucker!

Ground Pounder does not directly hit, so it cannot be Sucker!ed.

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