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Smaug wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well if it's confirmed to be 8mm it's bigger scale than the AT which is 6mm.

AT is 8mm
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/08/8th-aug-adeptus-titanicus-war-on-a-new-scalegw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-1/

Adeptus Titanicus is mere days away, and soon, battlegroups of Warlord Titans supported by Questoris Knights will be waging war on tabletops across the world – and we thought it was high time to talk about the game’s astonishing models. Chris Drew from the Specialist Games team is the man responsible for turning the huge Warhammer 40,000 models into their 8mm scale counterparts – and here he is to talk about the process.

I guess I should add the titans in AT2018 are 8mm in epic scale they where 6mm with the infantry approximately 8mm and tanks out of scale somewhere in between.

Thats the article I referenced last year and along with Wayland games labelling it also as 8mm it seemed official enough. Yet, social media posts basically said "its not really". Asking FW directly by email(check the above post) they said that AT does not directly adhere to any scale and is best described as "Titanicus scale".

In this case, its FW's word against WH Community...the makers of the game and the GW media channel. 8mm was mentioned regarding the height of space marines - that much was said - but it seems that might have been mistaken as Titanicus' actual scale.

It is 8mm scale the same way than 40K is 32mm scale. It's not exact science, but that's the ballpark.

And of course Space Marines are a notoriously bad measuring stick for both systems.

Moving forward, nothing for Titanicus at NOVA...I forget the next big event for reveals.

Anyone?

SamusDrake wrote:
Moving forward, nothing for Titanicus at NOVA...I forget the next big event for reveals.

Anyone?

I would surmise that we won't get anything new AT wise until 2020.

 Togusa wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Moving forward, nothing for Titanicus at NOVA...I forget the next big event for reveals.

Anyone?

I would surmise that we won't get anything new AT wise until 2020.

That would be a shame with four months still left to go.

I think we will definetly get the knight upgrades sprue and the atarus transfers before the year is out. Plus the warlord carapace gatlings from FW.

Still a quarter of the year left for 1 more release. Hopefully it's not just only the Questoris Knight upgrade

There's the Knight upgrade sprue and a couple resin carapace weapons still in the hopper.

...and even if the next book isn't due this year, I'm sure they'll tease it this fall.

Still to come are:

Tempestus transfers
Atarus transfers
Knight upgrade sprue
Objective buildings
Reaver megabolter carapace weapon
Warlord Carapace Gatling Blaster
Warlord Carapace Megabolters

Beyond that, things that are rumoured or would most likely make an appearance + speculation
Warlord Carapace Turbolasers
Saturyne Pattern Lascutter
There was that rumoured Warlord Volkite weapon
They could do a ruined building sprue
Warbringer
There were also mentioned Legio resin upgrades
Other missing Knight variants (Styrix, Castigator, etc)
Armiger Knights
Psi Titan

And that’s stuff that exists or makes sense to make.

Then there’s the mystery light titans that eventually turn into the Subjugator Slaanesh Titans and the close combat claws for Warhounds which have both been mentioned by the devs previously.
Perhaps a class between Warhound and Reaver?

Then we can start looking at Xenos, maybe.

No xenos, the team want to expand Loyalist/Traitor specific titan

 zedmeister wrote:
Still to come are:

Tempestus transfers
Atarus transfers
Knight upgrade sprue
Objective buildings
Reaver megabolter carapace weapon
Warlord Carapace Gatling Blaster
Warlord Carapace Megabolters

Beyond that, things that are rumoured or would most likely make an appearance + speculation
Warlord Carapace Turbolasers
Saturyne Pattern Lascutter
There was that rumoured Warlord Volkite weapon
They could do a ruined building sprue
Warbringer
There were also mentioned Legio resin upgrades
Other missing Knight variants (Styrix, Castigator, etc)
Armiger Knights
Psi Titan

And that’s stuff that exists or makes sense to make.

I forget if it was from a seminar or Twitch stream, but they did mention the Cerastus variants are being done as a new plastic kit while the alternate Acastus build would 'probably' be a resin upgrade pack.

Ursus claws have been mentioned, and I think the Rapier is basically a lock.

 gorgon wrote:
Ursus claws have been mentioned, and I think the Rapier is basically a lock.

Would be nice if the hounds had a new toy or buddy to play with.

Having not looked too closely yet, are transfers available for Legio Astorum?

Sorry Alpharius, but as far as I know they only come with the titans themselves. Haven't seen a specific Astorum sheet as of yet.

No Warp Runners transfers on the existing sheets then?

Bummer!

 Alpharius wrote:
No Warp Runners transfers on the existing sheets then?

Bummer!

They are on the sheets that come with the Titans. Just basic ones though, not fancy colour ones.

SamusDrake wrote:

Smaug wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well if it's confirmed to be 8mm it's bigger scale than the AT which is 6mm.

AT is 8mm
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/08/8th-aug-adeptus-titanicus-war-on-a-new-scalegw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-1/

Adeptus Titanicus is mere days away, and soon, battlegroups of Warlord Titans supported by Questoris Knights will be waging war on tabletops across the world – and we thought it was high time to talk about the game’s astonishing models. Chris Drew from the Specialist Games team is the man responsible for turning the huge Warhammer 40,000 models into their 8mm scale counterparts – and here he is to talk about the process.

I guess I should add the titans in AT2018 are 8mm in epic scale they where 6mm with the infantry approximately 8mm and tanks out of scale somewhere in between.

Thats the article I referenced last year and along with Wayland games labelling it also as 8mm it seemed official enough. Yet, social media posts basically said "its not really". Asking FW directly by email(check the above post) they said that AT does not directly adhere to any scale and is best described as "Titanicus scale".

In this case, its FW's word against WH Community...the makers of the game and the GW media channel. 8mm was mentioned regarding the height of space marines - that much was said - but it seems that might have been mistaken as Titanicus' actual scale.

Well in that case miniature makers screwed up the scale because if you actually MEASURE the titan and calculate it you will find out that it's pretty much spot on to 6mm scale. Tad under it actually going(was it like 5.8mm or something).

So if AT is supposed to be 8mm scale then the models need to be redone in actual scale...Because they are too small then for 8mm scale.

Seeing we have warhammer community team saying something when they are known to make big errors and actual measurements...guess which one I believe. Known error source or actual measurements of real model.

Oh god, this again. The problem is that 40k is not and never has been a scale model game. Never. Just look at how the same 40k models have crept up in height over the last 30 years, or how many marines you would actually fit in a Rhino.

Just because they took the old "28mm" titan designs and shrunk them down to 1/4 size that doesn't suddenly make them scale models! They may well look consistently in scale with each other, as that's pretty easy with such a small pool of unit designs. But if GW just start adding tanks and infantry with the same 'divide by four' approach then AT/Epic will have exactly the same issue as 40K.

8mm Space Marines, 6mm regular humans...problem solved!

tneva82 wrote:

Well in that case miniature makers screwed up the scale because if you actually MEASURE the titan and calculate it you will find out that it's pretty much spot on to 6mm scale. Tad under it actually going(was it like 5.8mm or something).

Calculate based on what? Some random fluff number for titans which some author plucked out of thin air? Such numbers mean nothing. In BL books the exact same ship doubles in length between books.

The models are 1/4 of 40K height. Normal humans in 40K are about 32 mm tall* and 32/4=8. Thus AT (and AI) is roughly 8 mm scale.

*(There is pretty huge variety, they're 29-35 mm tall. Most modern basic troops are in the 32 mm ballpark though.)

All I know is that when stood next to my classic Epic miniatures, the new titans look awesome and correct.

If Epic makes a return of some sort and the troops end up being between the 6mm-8mm height range, they'll also look fine.

I cannot understand why the debate over this is continuing, or at least is as important as it appears to be for some.

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Well in that case miniature makers screwed up the scale because if you actually MEASURE the titan and calculate it you will find out that it's pretty much spot on to 6mm scale. Tad under it actually going(was it like 5.8mm or something).

Calculate based on what? Some random fluff number for titans which some author plucked out of thin air? Such numbers mean nothing. In BL books the exact same ship doubles in length between books.

The models are 1/4 of 40K height. Normal humans in 40K are about 32 mm tall* and 32/4=8. Thus AT (and AI) is roughly 8 mm scale.

*(There is pretty huge variety, they're 29-35 mm tall. Most modern basic troops are in the 32 mm ballpark though.)

Calculate based on things like floor and door height on the newly released Titans and buildings, along with the 'random fluff number' for Titans, which just so happen to match up with each other and look better than 8mm scale. Trying to use relative scale to 40k, which already doesn't control for scale well, is a fool's errand. If you're looking for something meaningful, nothing gets that more than: it looks better on the table top. Using terrain, models and buildings scaled to 6mm does that better than 8mm, ok?

eldritchx wrote:

Calculate based on things like floor and door height on the newly released Titans and buildings, along with the 'random fluff number' for Titans, which just so happen to match up with each other and look better than 8mm scale.

But 40K versions of those titans have those same doors and floors, except in 1/4 size. And they clearly have 32mm people inside them.As for buildings, floor height and doors size in 40K setting varies a lot, most things being huge regardless, so you really can't base much on that.

Trying to use relative scale to 40k, which already doesn't control for scale well, is a fool's errand.

It is more sensible approach than just making up your own scale, instead of sticking to one the model makers actually use. And any scaling errors in 40K become pretty insignificant when you reduce the models to 1/4 of size.

If you're looking for something meaningful, nothing gets that more than: it looks better on the table top. Using terrain, models and buildings scaled to 6mm does that better than 8mm, ok?

If you personally fell that way then is fine reason for you to do so, it is not a fine reason for insisting that it actually is 6 mm scale.

Sooo, just ignoring the earlier posting of a screenshot of one of the FW guys stating outright that the fluff numbers are actually taken quite seriously and thought about a lot?

It's odd how selective you are in treating what FW/GW do and say as gospel Crimson. Random puff blurb from an article: gospel. Size the models end up being made at due to various factors: gospel. Guy who actually designs the Titans: nah, pff, totes rubbish brah, who cares, fluff nonsense.

They do as said have other factors to consider when making the 40K models like sprue/mold/box sizes, whether it's vaguely practical at the size of tables most people use(though that's seemingly less of a concern for them these days), cost of materials, trying to keep it within an attractive pricerange, detailing, errors from the days of physical model construction or personal license from the 3D sculptor etc, everyone acknowledges that, but none of that changes the fact that the changes they make based on those things does often take the models away from the size they "should" be. It's not gibbering lunacy to consider scale important, or to wish they had chosen to make things consistent with the proper numbers, or to make purchasing decisions based on those sentiments, or to derive a scale from the main feature of the game that started all this - the Titans - and consider that the scale of the game.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Moving forward, nothing for Titanicus at NOVA...I forget the next big event for reveals.

Anyone?

I would surmise that we won't get anything new AT wise until 2020.

That would be a shame with four months still left to go.

I do not think they expected it to be as popular as it has been. I am also in the camp that believes GW is releasing way to many different products at the current time which leads to long wait times for new models.

IIRC we still have a new Blood Bowl team and Warhammer Underworlds release due in the coming weeks. GW like to drop specialist game stuff together, so I expect to see them appear with the repackaged Knights. Hopefully followed by the remaining FW releases.

tneva82 wrote:

Well in that case miniature makers screwed up the scale because if you actually MEASURE the titan and calculate it you will find out that it's pretty much spot on to 6mm scale. Tad under it actually going(was it like 5.8mm or something).

So if AT is supposed to be 8mm scale then the models need to be redone in actual scale...Because they are too small then for 8mm scale.

Seeing we have warhammer community team saying something when they are known to make big errors and actual measurements...guess which one I believe. Known error source or actual measurements of real model.

Yes, and Forgeworld has explained to me(via a reply to an email I sent them) that AT is "not directly adhereing" to any scale, so my point is that the WH Community suffered a case of miscommunication on the "8mm" part. I get the feeling that you were replying more to Smaug's post than mine in this instance, as I doubt you would have overlooked my previous post regarding FW's response to the matter.

But once again - Titanicus scale is not 6mm nor 8mm scale. Its best described as "Titanicus scale". Same with 40K - its not 28mm but just "40K" scale. And that is from Forgeworld themselves.

At least 1/3rd* of the this “news & rumours” thread must be made up of scale arguments by now. Can we just drop it or take it elsewhere?



*1/3rd is Epic wishlisting and the final 1/3rd actual news.